Evidence Suggests Soy is Not Ideal to Consume

There has been a lot of hype around Soy in the recent years, especially within the Vegetarian and Vegan communities. It is praised because it is believed to be a complete protein, which is great for vegetarians because obviously they don’t get enough protein, right? Wrong. Many vegetables contain even more protein than meat. Soy has become a staple in many Vegetarian diets because of things like imitation meat products made from tofu, which is made from soy, Veggie burgers, veggie hot dogs, bacon and so on. Soy milk is another huge product that people consume that obviously is based highly around soy. The important thing to look at here in regards to soy is the difference between the fermented and non-fermented states and how that effects health.

The big reason behind the increased sales of soy is advertising and propaganda. It’s especially interesting when you look at the fact that only a few decades ago, the soybean was considered unfit to eat – even in Asia. Why don’t we go into some history of the soy bean. It was during the Chou Dynasty (1134-246 BC) that the soybean was designated as one of the five sacred grains, along with barley, wheat, millet and rice. What’s interesting is this: “the pictograph for the soybean, which dates from earlier times, indicates that it was not first used as a food; for whereas the pictographs for the other four grains show the seed and stem structure of the plant, the pictograph for the soybean emphasizes the root structure. Agricultural literature of the period speaks frequently of the soybean and its use in crop rotation. Apparently the soy plant was initially used as a method of fixing nitrogen.” (Mercola.com)

We often associate Asian culture with Soy and believe that if they have been eating it for so long we should too. But what we don’t often know is that when they were eating soy, they were not eating it in the state the North American culture does now. Back then, the soybean was not even consumed until the discovery of fermentation techniques. This happened at some later time during the Chou Dynasty. The first soy foods were fermented products like tempeh, natto, miso and soy sauce. So right away we are seeing that soy and the way it is used traditionally has nothing to do with the way we currently eat it today.

Later on Chinese scientists discovered that “a purée of cooked soybeans could be precipitated with calcium sulfate or magnesium sulfate (plaster of Paris or Epsom salts) to make a smooth, pale curd – tofu or bean curd. The use of fermented and precipitated soy products soon spread to other parts of the Orient, notably Japan and Indonesia.” (Mercola.com)
So again we are seeing that the benefits of soy are still coming from the process of fermentation, not from simply eating it. In fact, it was not even eaten in its natural state, only in fermented state.

At that time, the Chinese culture were not eating unfermented soybeans due to the fact that the soybean contains large quantities of natural toxins or “antinutrients”. Some of the most important to avoid are potent enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion.What these inhibitors are is tightly folded proteins that do not deactivate during the cooking process. With them not being deactivated, when they are consumed, they have the ability to produce serious gastric distress, reduced protein digestion and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. Several tests were done on animals that showed diets high in trypsin inhibitors cause enlargement and pathological conditions of the pancreas, including cancer. If the above isn’t reason enough, Soybeans also contain haemagglutinin, a clot-promoting substance that causes red blood cells to clump together.

Both Trypsin inhibitors and haemagglutinin are growth inhibitors, this means the body may not grow and function properly while they are being consumed. Again in tests conducted on Weanling rats (wish they would stop testing on animals) that were fed soy containing these anti nutrients failed to grow as they normally would. Since growth-depressant compounds are deactivated during the process of fermentation, the soybean is fit for dietary use. But can i stress again, only when fermented. If the soybean is not fermented it is not fit to eat or drink.

Here are a few more cited facts about soy.

 A 1991 study found that eating only 2 TBL/day of roasted and pickled soybeans for 3 months to healthy adults who were receiving adequate iodine in their diet caused thyroid suppression with symptoms of malaise, constipation, sleepiness, and goiters (Nippon Naibunpi Gakkai Zasshi 1991, 767: 622-629)!

Six premenopausal women with normal menstrual cycles were given 45 mg of soy isoflavones per day.  This is equivalent to only 1-2 cups of soy milk or 1/2 cup of soy flour!   After only one month, all of the women experienced delayed menstruation with the effects similar to tamoxifen, the anti-estrogen drug given to women with breast cancer (American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1994 Sep;60(3):333-340).

Dietary estrogens in the form of soy foods were found to have the potential to disrupt the endocrine system with the effects in women similar to taking the breast cancer drug tamoxifen (Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine 1995 Jan;208(1):51-9).

Estrogens consumed in the diet at low concentrations were found to stimulate breast cells much like DDT to increase enzymatic activity which leads to breast cancer (Environmental Health Perspectives 1997 Apr;105 (Suppl 3):633-636).

The soy isoflavones genistein and daidzein appear to stimulate existing breast cancer growth indicating risk in consuming soy products if a woman has breast cancer. (Annals of Pharmacotherapy 2001 Sep;35(9):118-21).

Direct evidence that soy isoflavones genistein and daidzein suppress the pituitary-thyroid axis in middle-aged rats fed 10 mg soy isoflavones per kilo after only 3 weeks as compared with rats eating regular rat chow (Experimental Biology and Medicine 2010 May;235(5):590-8).

Scientific research has shown that the developing male fetus which is exposed to soy phytoestrogens may suffer from higher susceptibility to prostate cancer later in life (Prostate 1994;24(2):67-78).

Dietary genistein (soy phytoestrogen) in developing female rats had the effect of significantly accelerated puberty (Toxicol Sci 1999 Oct;51(2):236-44).

A study of 12 men aged 18 years and older experienced a 19% drop in serum testosterone in only 28 days when supplemented with 56 grams of soy protein powder over that same time period (Prev 2007;16:829–33).

Female newborns who are orally exposed to genisin, the glycosylated form of genistein (soy phytoestrogen) experienced harm to the reproductive system in the form of “delayed vaginal opening… abnormal estrous cycles, decreased fertility, and delayed parturition.” (Environmental Health Perspective 2009 Dec;117(12):1883-9).

Some great alternatives to soy products are beans, lentils, mushrooms, almond, rice and coconut milks and just a lot more dark leafy greens! Also, fermented soy products like tempeh and miso are not bad for you, but should still be eaten in moderation.

Check out ‘The Protein Myth’ HERE

Sources: 

Katz, Solomon H., “Food and Biocultural Evolution: A Model for the Investigation of Modern Nutritional Problems”, Nutritional Anthropology, Alan R. Liss Inc., 1987, p. 50.

Rackis, Joseph J. et al., “The USDA trypsin inhibitor study. I. Background, objectives and procedural details”, Qualification of Plant Foods in Human Nutrition, vol. 35, 1985.

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/170-scientific-reasons-to-lose-the-soy-in-your-diet/

 

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54 comments on “Evidence Suggests Soy is Not Ideal to Consume

  1. freddy

    So, is better the cow milk? which one to drink if only have this two? Soy or Cow milk?

    • Rozanna

      Almond Milk rules!

      • Spyder Seven

        I can vouch for almond milk. Unobtrusive taste, smooth texture, and it lasts a long time before spoiling. I mostly don’t consume dairy but I still needed a cow milk substitute for things like cereal, baking, macaroni and cheese, that sort of thing. I can drink it straight and I can’t stand the taste of soy milk. If you really can’t find anything besides soy and dairy I’d stick with dairy and try to consume it in moderation.

    • Aluv

      Hemp milk is the best alternative to me , my experience with soy milk , is that it cause male breast tissue to grow , seen a lot of adolescent boys develop like girls … I’d stay away from any form of soy.. Try hemp milk , i use vanilla flavor for smoothies , cereal , just about any recipe

  2. Freddy, better to not drink either! Do you really need milk? There are some great alternatives such as coconut, almond and rice, and you can easily make your own!

  3. Tiffany

    I drink Rockin Wellness with almond milk, and bummed to see it has lecithin (soy) in it.. I have ten bags total which cost a lot of money and I was wondering how bad that kind of soy is?

  4. De Landtsheer

    Being a researcher in molecular biology and also a vegan I got interested in this story. I spent the weekend doing research, and here are my comment about each of these articles:
    1) obscure japanese journal (in japanese) : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1868922 no detail on the protocol, cannot comment on this one, appart that the abstract is badly written.
    2) http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/60/3/333.full.pdf+html their analysis is an affront to statistics (no multiple-test corrections were applied). Anyway, their conclusion is that “a diet rich in dietary estrogens may be protective against breast cancer”.
    3) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7892295 could not access the full article. Seems to care only about the molecular target of phytoestrogens, to understand the “chemoprotective action of Asian diets, possibly mediated by phytoestrogens in soya products”.
    4) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1469901/pdf/envhper00328-0081.pdf in vitro study with only one cell line. The MCF7 are derived from an aggressive breast cancer and their relevance in cancer studies has been challenged since 1997. Special mention for testing hormones in the uM range while in vivo estradiol concentrations are in the pM range (a million times lower).
    5) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11573864 single-author review (no experiments). Opinion article from a researcher out of his field of expertise.
    6) http://ebm.rsmjournals.com/content/235/5/590.full.pdf+html Finally a high-profile article. Unfortunately the authors think that injecting 10mg/kg (!) of purified genestein to castrated old rats is a good model of oral soy consumption in humans. I calculated from this article http://lib3.dss.go.th/fulltext/Journal/Journal%20of%20food%20science/2000%20v.65/no.3/jfsv65n3p0399-0402ms19990632%5B1%5D.pdf that this is equivalent to about 40 kilos of soy for a 75-kg man (per day).
    7) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7508622 Another review article. Could not access the full text. Nor the abstract neither the substance list mention phytoestrogens, soy, or food at all. Concerning prostate cancer and soy, read this article http://www.oncoveterinaria.com.ar/contenidos/archivos/file/Julio/Role%20of%20estrogens%20in%20development%20of%20prostate%20cancer%5B1%5D..pdf and the point 4.2 of their discussion, detailing the protective effects of phytoestrogens on prostate cancer.
    8) http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/51/2/236.long only found significant effects when rats were fed 0.1% genistein (a full gram of pure hormone per kilo of feed). They conclude phytoestrogens have no effects at normal dietary doses.
    9) http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/16/4/829.full.pdf+html one of the 12 subjects had a very high testosterone level prior to the study, the others had fairly constant levels (see the figure 1). Totally biased analysis, as they should have removed that sample from the analysis (you’re not a healthy subject for a study on testosterone levels if your testosterone is 50% above the reference range).
    10) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3226509/pdf/ehp.1104018.pdf another good article, but again neonate mice subjected to huge doses of pure genistein by subcutaneous injection. If the model holds, shows indeed effects on oviduct morphology and gene expression. Biological relevance of the findings is not adressed. A case for breastfeeding!

    Most of the articles listed are bad ones, published in low-profile journals. After having read these articles (and many others) I am still eating soy products. First, soy is not the only source of phytoestrogens and all vegetarians/vegans eat a lot of beans, peas and other legumes. Second, dietary doses of phytoestrogens have the effect of lowering circulating sexual hormones levels, which should be a good thing when it comes to cancer prevention. Remember (from The China Study for example) that there is a dichotomy between 1) immune function and cancer arrest and 2) metabolic rate and reproduction. In other words, if you are big, strong, and very fertile (like you are when eating red meat or drinking cow milk full of hormones) you increase your lifetime exposure to sexual hormones and increase your risk of sexual (breast, uterine, prostate) cancers. All epidemiological studies I have seen during this weekend-investigation agree for a protective effect of soy products.

    I would not recommend taking soy pills for menopause, and I would not recomment eating soy (or anything else) three times a day. Fake-burgers probably pose other problems (high salt, industrial transformations, etc…) that are more relevant. But I would not argue for the avoidance of such a good, natural source of proteins. About the last article (Jefferson et al.), this reinforces my belief that a baby’s mother milk cannot be safely substituted to anything else.

    Eating (non-GMO) soy is good for you!

    • Thanks for taking the time to do your own research, that is always great to see! However I still do believe your end conclusions are missing out on looking at various points that are incredibly important.

      It is a fact that soy proteins are folded and cannot be broken down by the body. This means that the body has a very tough time knowing what to do with the soy as it is being taken into the body. Soy started out as a way for nitrogen to be added back into soils. It was never consumed because back then they knew it was not safe to consume. Even as little as a few decades ago it was factually known that it was unsafe to consume in it’s unfermented state. When the Chinese discovered that fermentation would allow the proteins to be broken down in soy, the began consuming it. Again, prior to that, they did not touch it in their diet.

      Along with these facts, soy also is a growth inhibitor and and blocks the proper production of amino acids. This leads to the inability for soy to be easily broken down in the human body. I would highly recommend checking out the following insanely well researched link on soy. WHile some of the links you presented above are decent, this provides a much different look at things.

      http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

      Peace!

  5. U Fujii

    As a person who when newborn could not tolerate anything but soy and stayed on soy for over 6 years as my main food source. I grew up normally and had no fertility issues at all. I am from a culture where soy is a basic food and cow’s milk is used far less. I have had healthy pregnancies and 8 healthy babies, 5 of which were girls who did not have any problems with accelerated puberty. Cultures which use soy as a basic food have longer lives and less heart disease. I am not vegetarian but I do eat soy as a good food source along with fish and minimal red meat. If what you say is true, I should be childless with breast cancer and severe hormonal issues. Sorry, it just doesn’t happen.

    • Abbie

      No breast milk available?

  6. Nalani Shintani

    Highly unlikely that Soy is as harmful as you’re claiming it is when Asian countries, particularly Japan, have had soy as a stable for centuries and has one of the healthiest and long-lived populations in the world over the course of history. I say soy is bad in high concentrations, especially if you’re a vegetarian who’s consuming soy milk and tofu and TVP constantly, but 2-3 servings a day, which is average for Japanese people, shouldn’t be harmful.

    GMO soy should be avoided if possible however. Especially in America.

    • Soy in Chinese cultures back in the day was not consumed ever until they figured out fermentation processes. They knew that soy was undigestible by the body and didn’t allow the body to create amino acids to break down the proteins. The traditional use of soy in chinese cultures uses fermented soy only, not regular soybean like we use today. It is a fact that an unfermented soybean contains inhibitors that do not allow the folded proteins to be broken down by the body. this is not speculation but simply the biological make up of the soy bean. Given that fact, eating unfermented soy can create a lot of problems within the body related to gastric distress, reduced protein digestion and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake.

      I would highly recommend reading the sourced article from mercola.com that can be seen above.

    • threenorns

      “GMO soy should be avoided if possible however. Especially in America.”

      LMAO!!!! yeah – good luck with that.

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  8. avegan

    you should post the sources of these studies first and the people who ordered those studies. I eat soy for 10 years now and I am healthier than ever. Never been to doctor in last ten years. Only minor cold that I didn’t even felt it.

  9. I’m afraid I’m pro-soy as well (non-gmo). It is one of the few legumes/beans that I tolerate really well and eating soy products has helped me immensely during my pre-menopause. I am an avid researcher on the net and am impressed by my findings about Eastern cultures that eat a lot of soy not suffering any menopause symptoms. Those same cultures don’t suffer much cancer, either. I do try my best to stay with organic sources, though, as we all have our own personal relationship with the GMO issues. I also try keep processed soy products to a minimum because whole, natural foods are best for me and mine. Humans can’t help themselves when it comes to manipulating and altering and tempering with food, but healthy humans can choose not to eat it. Actions speak louder than words (or lab studies) and I’m more convinced of soy’s safety by looking at the cultures that have enjoyed it for centuries without concern or ill effects. I feel you are way off on this one.

    • Hey Shadoe, check into the newly updated information about how non fermented soy is troublesome for the body. The research strongly suggests that the growth inhibitors along with the bodies inability to break down the folded protein of non-fermented soy makes it something we should really look into before thinking about eating it.

      Thanks.

  10. J Barley

    Thank you DE Landtsheer for your detailed and thoughtful response to this poorly researched and biased article. What expertise does the author have to make such claims based on lazy research.

  11. holy henderson

    The lengths that the meat/dairy lobby is willing to go to scare/misinform the public about (non-GM) soy (and hiding the cancer causing facts of (GM) meat, dairy and other animal derived foods) is shocking!!!

  12. I agree! Thank you De Landtsheer.
    I was reading this article, thinking it seemed very biased and opiniated.
    So glad that you spent the time researching on everyone’s behalf.
    I’m glad I read this article, just for your feedback.

    • Tracey, be sure to check the updated information about the fermentation of soy. I strongly feel that at the end of the day when we look at the very basic facts about soy, it is NOT meant to be consumed in it’s non-fermented state. My research strongly suggests that the growth inhibitors along with the bodies inability to break down the folded protein of non-fermented soy makes it something we should think twice about eating.

      Thanks!

  13. Fate~

    Nonsense. Pure nonsense. There’s nothing that’s absolutely good for you, but non-fermented soy isn’t going to kill anyone as part of a diverse diet. Citing Mercola and 20+ year old studies that are only tangentially related is disingenuous, if not outright dishonest.

    Eating tofu is fine. (Or tau huay, if you want something delicious!) I don’t recommend meat substitution products because they taste awful and are highly inefficient to make, but use some common sense, people. As long as you eat a diverse diet, soy can be quite healthy.

    • Hi Fate, It is difficult to ignore the facts about soy and it certainly isn’t dishonest. I feel it is once again important to leave our habits and emotions aside if we want to look at this information logically. It appears as though it can be easy to discredit something because of how much we do it, consume or or have it as part of our lives. The facts remain the same that the body does not know how to break down the soy proteins. This is not a matter of opinion or poor research but the simple biological nature of soy that has been known for thousands of years. There is a reason why the Chinese did not eat soy until they discovered fermentation techniques.
      Thanks

      • @ Joe Martino – What hogwash! You might want to consider taking a course or too in microbiology before making nonsensical claims about soy being inedible because “It is a fact that soy proteins are folded and cannot be broken down by the body.” Almost ALL active proteins are folded: “A protein molecule folds spontaneously during or after biosynthesis.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_folding

      • Marco Bouchard sez: “There can’t be any substitutes for meat. Meat enabled us to have bigger brains.” And did you know the moon is made of green cheese. Cheese is very much LIKE meat, so no doubt the moon people have very large brains, as shown in old sci-fi comics.

        See, anyone can make wacky, unfounded comments without a trace of scientific foundation. I’m betting that you, Marco, are a meat-eater. QED.

        Poor Albert Einstein; as a firm vegetarian he starved his brain of meat’s critical Big Brain factor. No WONDER he was so poor at math as a lad. If there was the least basis for your claim (there isn’t) we might assume that the creatures who eat the most meat would be the most intelligent. And yet the shark is NOT more intelligent than the elephant. In fact, of the six known self-aware animals, only two are by nature carnivores or omnivores, the jackdaw and the dolphin.

  14. The so called writer of this article is an idiot.

  15. Thanks to everyone who posted comments (with the exception of Joe Martino, who has been repetitive and hasn’t added anything to the conversation). Phytic acid can be a bad thing in those that are receiving diets poor in nutrients like zinc and iron, but the fact is almost every American that isn’t poor and starving or isn’t a total vegan, is taking in these nutrients to such a point that even if they were drinking a gallon of soy milk a day, they wouldn’t have a problem absorbing these nutrients. If you’re a vegetarian and you’re taking in a lot of soy, just do yourself a favor and have your hemoglobin checked yearly (in fact, I’d recommend this for just about everyone, especially women.)

    This article appears to be mostly bunk – time would be better spent researching the unethical practices of Monsanto and making a decision to avoid soy on those grounds, rather than poorly cited articles and studies with bad statistics.

    I would avoid consuming non-organic and GMO soy on ethical grounds more-so than health concerns.

    The thing to take away is that we should all be eating a diverse, well balaned diet, not depending on one single food source.

  16. Nickolas

    What these anti soy articles leaves out is that most legumes are unfit to eat. They almost all fix nitrogen and all need soaking/sprouting. Most are best fermented. Also many foods contain natural hormones like estrogen including chickpeas and sesame seeds. There are many studies showing not only do natural plant based estrogen’s act differently than artificial hormones studies suggest they prevent cancer. All legumes are best in moderation and are best fermented. Tempeh does not have to be made with soy neither does miso. Secoisolariciresinol and matairesinol were among the first lignan precursors identified in the human diet and are therefore the most extensively studied. Lignan precursors are found in a wide variety of foods, including flaxseeds, sesame seeds, legumes, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. While most research on phytoestrogen-rich diets has focused on soy isoflavones, lignans are the principal source of dietary phytoestrogens in typical Western diets (2, 3).http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/phytochemicals/lignans/

  17. Al

    Great article Alana…. Soy is not good for you and you hit the nail on the head. I think that when people ascribe to a vegetarian/vegan diet (they have there reasons) they believe that they will become healthier. Not really the case, due to the fact that there is much garbage vegetarian food that are highly processed and lack essential nutrients. To be a healthy vegetarian actually takes a lot of work to cover the essentials. Glad that you pointed this out..

  18. Jeff

    I’ve been a vegetarian for 40 years, you need some help

  19. threenorns

    De Landtsheer – ref #3, where you couldn’t access the full article, this is the list of “related citations”: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?LinkName=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=7892295

    i first read about the problem of unfermented soya in a health magazine featuring Asian medicinal practices nearly 25yrs ago while trying to find something my second daughter could tolerate (misdiagnosed breast milk allergy when it was an overactive letdown/overproduction issue that was easily corrected for my youngest daughter).

  20. if I’d seen that master quackster Mercola was represented here I’d have dismissed this article even more rapidly than I did. But I’m glad I read through to some of the informed and educated responses in the comments. I’m especially grateful to (Mr./Dr./Herr) De Landtsheer for the time he took in debunking this nonsense. I’m not sure what the motives of all soy bashers is, but I’d be willing to bet that Dr. Mercola has a competing product to sell. S

    • threenorns
    • threenorns

      sorry – hit “enter” when the mouse was on the wrong spot

      particularly this bit:

      Professor Frank Woods was the chair man of the working group that produced this report. He is one of the country’s leading toxologists and has been a key government adviser. If anybody can be called an expert on soya, it is him. Yet even he will not be drawn on whether the increase in soya in Western diets is good or bad. ‘We still have a lot to learn,’ he said. There is, however, one area where his mind is made up. ‘If my daughter ever asked me advice on whether she should feed her baby on soya formula, I would say no, unless her doctor had specifically advised her to do so.’ Even if the the baby had an allergy to dairy products, he believes that other options, such as hydrolysed cow’s milk protein, are safer.

      ‘Soya has been eaten for thousands of years as a mainstay of Asian diets,’ said Dominic Dyer of Britain’s Soya Protein Association. ‘There is no evidence of reduced fertility in these populations or an increased risk in any other of these problems allegedly related to soya. Indeed the opposite is true. They are healthier, live longer and have less chance of dying from diseases like breast cancer.’

      This is a powerful argument in soya’s favour but scientists such as Professor Woods, who studied this issue as part of the FSA’s report, says it is far more complex than just attributing these facts to the intake of soya in their diets.

      US nutritionist Kaayla T Daniel who has studied the history of soya consumption dismisses the comparison, arguing that the soya eaten in China and Japan, such as tofu and miso, is very different from the industrially processed variety used in today’s Western food. ‘Claims that soya beans have been a major part of the Asian diet for more than 3,000 years, or from “time immemorial” are simply not true,’ she said.

      The soya bean originated in China, and according to Daniel the ancient Chinese called it ‘the yellow jewel’ but used it as ‘green manure’ to enrich the soil for growing other crops. She says soya did not become a staple human food until late in the Chou Dynasty in 1134 BC when the Chinese developed a fermentation process to turn the bean into a paste best know by its Japanese name miso. The liquid poured off during this production of miso is what is known as soya sauce. She claims that the traditional process of making fermented soya products like tofu or tempeh destroys many of the allegedly dangerous chemicals in soya, unlike modern factory methods used today.

  21. illie

    @Ryan, De Landtsheer, Nickolas, THANK YOU for the intellegent, well researched, and factual, responses to an article lacking real content. As vegan since 10 (35 years ago) and a happy, healthy, strong, regular consumer of organic non GMO soy, I will continue to do so, knowing that its part of my well rounded healthy plant based diet. -FYI (at Al, -you have zero idea what your talking about) ..a recent trip to my traditional doctor and full panel of bloodwork vitamin levels cholesterol and organ functions etc showed 100 percent perfect levels and functioning of everything! And I have never in my life eaten a steak.

    • threenorns

      “full panel of bloodwork vitamin levels cholesterol and organ functions etc showed 100 percent perfect levels and functioning of everything! And I have never in my life eaten a steak.”

      doesn’t prove anything – my cholesterol levels are so low the doctor first asked if i was on cholesterol pills (never have been) and then had the tests re-run. he said my cholesterol levels are a “cardiologist’s dream” – and i eat red meat daily.

    • bigger brain

      respects!!

  22. Sabine

    I don’t know why some people here are saying that asian people do not eat nonfermented soy, there are lots of recipes with nonfermented soy for example Edamame young green beens or soy sprouts or Daizu no umani and soymilk is used a lot aswell…. now it is for sure: “All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison….” Paracelsus (1493-1541)
    So by the way hops if full of estrogens aswell so no more beer! ;-)

  23. Rain

    I have a friend who was diagnosed with breast cancer. One of the dietary modifications she was asked to make by her (conventional western medicine) doctor was to avoid soy completely because of the estrogens. Enough said.

    • bigger brain

      not everyone has breast cancer. enough said? lol

  24. Jackie

    Here’s a personal experience.. I eat a plant based diet and when I first started, I drank at least one glass of soy milk a day (sometimes more). I didn’t really notice anything (just that my skin seemed less toned) until after a month or more of regular strength training (was drinking even more soy milk during this period). I noticed I just wasn’t toning up and building muscle as I knew I should be with all my work (from previous experience). Knowing there were many buff vegan bodybuilders, not eating meat was not the issue. So I did some research and came across this info about non-fermented soy. The source wasn’t that reliable but I thought I’d just give it a go and cut out just soy milk from my diet ( still eating fermented soy) for a few weeks, not that I felt it would really do anything. However, low and behold in just a few days my muscles were hardening and my skin toned up just as I was before changing to a plant based diet ( I have always lived quite an active lifestyle). Now I build muscle and tone as easily as I did before and thank the day I came across that obscure article.. I still add fermented soy as part of my diet…

  25. illie

    Tofu originated in ancient China.[5] Chinese legend ascribes its invention to prince Liu An (Chinese: 劉安 Liú Ān, 179–122 BC) …that would indicate that 1, ancient asian culture DID in fact eat tofu, and 2, have shown no “toxic” effects …in fact much research shows that issues with soy today are due to the fact that what most eat is both GMO and non organic/highly contaminated with pesticides as well as being highly processed ie in the form of faux meats etc made with soy protein isolate.

  26. Johannerz

    Hey, if you don’t want to drink soy milk or milk from cows, drink milk made of oatmeal!

  27. lizdancey

    I developed a soy allergy from eating/drinking too much when I was vegetarian and vegan. It also messed up my hormones, spiking my estrogen levels. Lots of bad things came from that…

    • bigger brain

      just cos it doesn’t work for you doesn’t make it a bad thing. get real!

  28. Marco Bouchard

    There can’t be any substitutes for meat. Meat enabled us to have bigger brains.

    • bigger brain

      bigger and dumber

  29. At the end of the day…why even bother with soy!! It’s obvious there is somethings bad about it. There are better alternatives!! http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/studies-showing-adverse-effects-of-soy

    • bigger brain

      better than mad cow disease? not for you.

    • bigger brain

      Don’t waste your time reading johnntysteelhn link. Propaganda for the dairy industry. With all the research going on, if you can only list one study every few years… not impressive to people who know there are literally thousands of other studies that state the opposite. You can manipulate statistics to conclude whatever you want. No food is perfect, but if I have to chose between the hormone and antibiotic residues (and inhumane production) of milk or soy… I’ll pick soy. Raising 2 children on soy (as part of a varied diet) – 90%+ on growth charts and no health problems.

  30. martina

    Fantastic article, thanks. To add a few more things: Cows fed on soybeans could not reproduce offspring after a short period. When the body is toxic, the reproductive system stops working! My clinical experience as a Complimentary Health practioner: many vegans (using soy products) have reproductive problems and 2nd generation even worth.
    Indeed ONLY FERMENTED soy can benefit you. Thanks

    • bigger brain

      how much is the meat industry paying for lying to the public? save a life!

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