Italian Court Rules MMR Vaccine Caused Autism: US Media Blacks Out Story


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The debate over vaccines continues as an Italian court ruled in favor of the Bocca family whose nine-year-old son became autistic after receiving the MMR (Measles/Mumps & Rubella) vaccine. I came across this case and felt it was a good idea to report on this as the vaccine debate has been a hot topic here lately. Although the case concluded in 2012, the information is just as relevant today.

UPDATE: We realize the controversy surrounding Wakefield and his study. Please also note that the story about Wakefield being paid to create data to due vaccine makers is a false story. At the time of this false story, vaccine makers were protected from even being able to be sued. He obviously can see no benefit in creating a “fake study” to sue people that cannot be sued. Instead of focusing on Wakefield, observe the other studies involved and the massive growing movement to re-think vaccines based on science and evidence. We also recognize that Autism is a spectrum disorder, meaning that there is a wide range in how it affects people. A phenomenon due to vaccines could account for some type of Autism on that spectrum. On the other hand we recognize that there could be be some genetic differences within ones DNA that could result in showing behavior and other types of characteristics seen in what we have labelled as Autism or ASD.

Autism is a spectrum disorder, meaning that there is a wide degree of variation in the way it affects people.

autismValentino Bocca was given the MMR vaccine when he was 15 months old in 2004. The family has stated that immediately after the jab their son began showing signs of serious discomfort. The Bocca family decided to act and took the case to court. Judges determined the vaccine did cause the autism after new evidence was presented and awarded the Bocca family 174,000 euro (£140,000) after the Italian Health Ministry conceded the MMR vaccine caused autism in their nine-year-old son Valentino. After the ruling, Italian lawyers began examining around 100 similar cases which they believe could lead to more families pursuing court cases.

Of course this case does not come with two sides to the argument. In Britain, doctors and health experts insist that the onset of autism after the vaccine was merely a coincidence and that other children develop autism around the same time. The official statement of the Department of Health is that ‘there is a wealth of evidence showing children who receive the MMR vaccine are no more at risk of autism than those who don’t.’

The Bocca case is not the first case where children have been allegedly damaged by vaccines. The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has paid out over $2 billion in compensation to families who have been damaged by vaccines. The Bocca case ruling will likely  re-open much debate over vaccine safety and effectiveness. This was largely made popular when the respected medical journal The Lancet published an article in 1998, making a connection between the triple vaccine and autism. Later on, the author’s methods were discredited but this of course came with controversy as well. Luckily, the news of it alone was enough for families to re-question the vaccine when thinking of their children.

Though the debate is still ongoing, many people are seriously questioning vaccines and this isn’t just the average person. Medical doctors have been educating themselves further on vaccines as the evidence continues to pile up about the ineffectiveness and lack of safety associated with vaccines. The number of autism cases has risen greatly since the 1970s, as the number of vaccines a child receives continues to rise dramatically.

Although it is not yet clear what the new evidence was that concluded the Bocca case, it is almost certain that it will continue to build the case for re-thinking vaccines.

The black out in US media is a prime example of how much medical information is censored in North America. This may add to the fact that it seems North America is a lot more unaware of healthy practices regarding medicine, lifestyle and diet. Of course this isn’t to say that everyone is like this in North America, but when you look at the numbers we can see that North America is among the unhealthiest when it comes to developed countries.

A great example of how the medical industry tends to avoid new vaccine science comes in the case of Dr. Andrew Wakefield. He has been involved in extensively reviewing the MMR vaccine and its safety, and has found not only some scary results, but also a great opposition and blacking out when it comes to the medical field looking at his evidence. The videos below go into this story in depth.

The following is from Dr. Mercola

“It’s virtually impossible to read an article about the MMR vaccine without coming across a reference to British gastroenterologist Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s 1998 research published in The Lancet, which suggested there may be a link between the MMR vaccine, chronic bowel disease and autism. Ever since the article’s publication, it has remained one of the most cited yet controversial studies on the topic of vaccine safety.

Few public health officials or doctors speaking about vaccination in the media today fail to drive home the point that Wakefield’s research was subsequently “discredited” by the General Medical Council in Britain, while completely ignoring the facts about what his research actually showed, and the long list of studies done since then by other researchers that back up his initial findings.

Dr. Wakefield’s 1998 study involved a retrospective case series analysis, which essentially reviews the clinical histories of a group of patients with a constellation of signs and symptoms that link them together and create a pattern. In this case, it was a group of autistic children with gastrointestinal problems, which led to the discovery of a novel bowel disease that Wakefield and his colleagues at the Royal Free Hospital in London first described.

But rather than celebrating the discovery of a tangible, treatable and potentially preventable serious health problem that could help those suffering with similar health issues, Wakefield’s discovery became a hotly debated controversy in which Dr. Wakefield’s personal and professional reputation was smeared.

Why?

Because the clinical story didn’t end with bowel disease; it also included symptoms of regressive autism after receiving the MMR vaccine…

In the years following his 1998 finding, which linked the MMR vaccine to inflammatory bowel disease and symptoms of autism, Dr. Wakefield published another 19 papers on the vaccine-induced bowel disorder. All were peer reviewed, and none have been retracted. However, none of these 19 papers are ever discussed in the media.

The only study that keeps seeing the light of day is the original Lancet article from 1998. Another interesting fact is that, since that study, a large number of replication studies have been performed around the world, by other researchers, that confirm  Wakefield’s initial findings. Yet you never hear a word about those either!”

Sources:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/25/mmr-vaccine-caused-autism.aspx

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/italian-court-reignites-mmr-vaccine-debate-after-award-over-child-with-autism-7858596.html


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  1. Peter Freeman

    The US media is right to blackout this story as it will continue to spread this lie. Just because a jury believes something doesn’t make it science. There have been hundreds of studies done around the world that show NO correlating between vaccines and Autism. What is real is that children who are not vaccinated are now dying from the diseases these vaccines prevent against.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100210964/mmr-does-not-cause-autism-the-swansea-measles-outbreak-shows-the-damage-this-idiotic-scare-has-caused/

    The original study that purported this link was retracted by the Journal that published it because it was revealed the data was mostly made up.

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    • (NaturalNews) One of the most prominent vaccine scientists in the history of the vaccine industry — a Merck scientist — made a recording where he openly admits that vaccines given to Americans were contaminated with leukemia and cancer viruses. In response, his colleagues (who are also recorded here) break out into laughter and seem to think it’s hilarious. They then suggest that because these vaccines are first tested in Russia, they will help the U.S. win the Olympics because the Russian athletes will all be “loaded down with tumors.” (Thus, they knew these vaccines caused cancer in humans.)
      here is interveiw http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=13EAAF22CDA367BB3C2F94D2CD90EF7B

      http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_Dr_Maurice_Hilleman_SV40.html

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      • Steve

        Do you think there’s any chance that these scientists were laughing not because they’re evil monsters but because the claim was ridiculous on its face? If there were “leukemia and cancer viruses” in vaccines, couldn’t you just show evidence of that? You can buy the vaccine, send it to any lab of your choice, and have it analyzed for the contents. If you think this is true, why not scrape up the money and have that done? Or is it just easier to make nasty accusations against people who devote their lives to valuable research? Didn’t it occur to you at all that they were laughing because he was making a ludicrous claim? Sarcasm, how does it work?

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    • Valyear

      Prove it. I have too many friends whose children are autistic and the parents noticed the difference right after getting the MMR vaccine and the pertussis one. One baby was in the hospital for 6 weeks after the pertussis vaccine. Sick children’s hospital in Toronto, 10th floor filled with babies and children with different defects from receiving vaccines. They say it can only happen in 1 and every 300 children but one do you say to that ONE mother and father. When the pediatrician was asked if a child could wait until school age, she said they would not need it then???? Interesting.

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    • brenda

      I watched it fall over My son like a blanket within 12 hrs of the mmr vaccines. To say there has been no evidence is a bold face lie. There IS evidence. They just don’t want to admit it. Another way to keep the public coming back for more. *smh sad that people will believe everything the government has “researched and proven”

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    • Jennifer

      Media censorship is what communist countries do. That’s the sort of place you’d like to live in? Scary.

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    • Dandy7

      Perhaps it is the additives in the shot that are harming people. Do no harm. The jury studied the facts. Children don’t die from these diseases, they die from poor nutrition.

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    • J Lutin

      Unfortunately I will completely disagree with you ignorance. The public needs to know this. My daughter was the epitome of health. No issues, was in the 98th percentile as a baby growing should be etc… We lived in a state where they required you to get the MMR vaccine. We were against it at the time, and due to law and regulation were forced to give our child the vaccine. Neither side of our families has any history of autism nor any neurological disorders whatsoever. We have records prior to the vaccine from full blood works that our child was in perfect health and had a genetic screen not 2 months before completed. After receiving the vaccine, she became ill and spent a week in the hospital. We could see the cognitive difference in our daughter as she deteriorated up to a month after the vaccine. She is a documented case where the vaccine can be directly correlated to her development of dystonia and a mild case of autism. She has since not received a single vaccine and sees a doctor every 6 months for check ups as a preventative measure. She is 7 years old now and suffers from the dystonia more than the Autism. I know now that I will not let any children or parents I know go through the heartache we’ve had with our daughter. We’ve since spoken to several doctor’s who have informed us that they themselves would not give the MMR to their children if given the choice and would wait until they are passed certain developmental milestones and under strict monitoring until would they give them a vaccine.

      I agree in certain countries and regions, vaccines are a necessity, but to say the MMR doe snot cause some types of neurological and physical conditions would be an outright lie, and to believe otherwise is complete ignorance.

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    • sara

      A lot of diagnoses are based on ‘guess-work’ whether people choose to believe it or not. Doctors take what they have learned, the symptoms presented in front of them – a few tests (that may not even give any formal diagnosis) and make an educated decision on ‘what the problem is’. There are NOT always ‘scientific facts’. This is why people get ‘misdiagnosed’ – or discover they have ALS when they thought it was something else. Or, visit cardiologists for a complete heart exam – are told their heart is healthy – only to die from a heart attack a week later. I can go on and on. The only FACT we know here – is that an unacceptable amount of PARENTS have seen a significant ‘negative’ change in their children after the vaccine was administered. People – doctors – whomever – can say it is ‘just a coincidence’ – but, I don’t see what is so far-fetched about administering an agent that resembles a disease to a child and then blaming that exact vaccine for the negative side-effects that followed. I don’t know about you – but that’s really enough information for me..

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    • Kari

      Thanks, Peter. I have a child with autism, and since the vaccine theory has been soundly disproved, I would like to move on so that we can find out how to beat deal with this disorder. Research has shown a strong genetic component.

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    • Donna

      When my first son was born, my Mom, a family practitioner,M.D., advised me to space out ALL vaccination shots to maximum 1 per month. And she warned against letting him get any shots when sick, recovering from any illness or allergies and especially if on any medication. Unfortunately most people don’t think about the severe impact MULTIPLE SHOTS with MULTIPLE vaccines can have on a tiny baby. A child entering first grade is typically given 5 shots in ONE visit!! That is CRAZY! I had to be very strong and persistent with my son’s pediatrician when I refused multiple shots. Finally they stopped pushing. It is the parent’s responsibility to protect their children.

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      • Steve

        Sure Donna, because germs line up and enter the body one at a time and only one can enter each day, right? Your immune system couldn’t possibly handle being exposed to three or four antigens, that would be almost like going outside and touching grass for crying out loud and you know we don’t allow that sort of multiple exposure for children! Let me know when you get a clue about this subject because that would be a good time for you to come back and start posting about it.

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    • So, you’re saying that every child who’s now diagnosed with Autism, only after getting the MMR shot is LYING??? I have 4 children and only ONE of them got the MMR shot and that 1 of my 4 kids has mild autism/mental retardation which does NOT run on either side of my family nor the father’s. Our own family doctor does NOT like giving kids the MMR shot, because he believes that it also causes autism. I think this SHOULD be media wide and more should be looking into their children’s medical records to see if they got the shots and more testing should be done on the drug.

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    • donnasalvini

      I had measles AND I had chicken pox and I nor did any of my friends DIE. Fearmongering is how they get you to shoot your children up with this crap. there is no reason to not have natural immunity you can only get through safe normal exposure.

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      • Peter Freeman

        When you or your friends werer sick, did you come in contact with any pregnant women? Or babies? They are the ones that die or are born deformed because in both cases, they would have no immunity and being so small, could not survive the disease.

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    • CJ

      Do you have children? Have you heard any first hand experiences from parents with autistic children? … Yea- I didn’t think so

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      • Peter Freeman

        That was ignorant, CJ. I have five kids and three with varying degrees of Autism. It runs in my family. That’s how I know it is genetic.

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    • george

      One child contracts autism from a vaccine, what about the other ?00,000,000 given the same vaccine?

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    • There is no exact science, there is no proof that it’s not causing it, just because that some study shows that there is no correlation doesn’t mean there isn’t one!

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      • Peter Freeman

        That study has already been done. Here is an excerpt and a link:
        Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association

        The Lancet, Volume 353, Number 9169 12 June 1999

        Brent Taylor, Elizabeth Miller, C Paddy Farrington, Maria-Christina Petropoulos, Isabelle Favot-Mayaud, Jun Li, Pauline A Waight

        Department of Community Child Health, Royal Free Campus, Royal Free and University College Medical School, University College London, London NW3 2QG, UK (Prof B Taylor FRCPCH, M-C Petropoulos MRCP, I Favot-Mayaud MD, J Li PhD); Immunisation Division, Public Health Laboratory Service Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre, London (E Miller FRCPath, P A Waight BSc); and Department of Statistics, Open University (C P Farrington PhD)

        Correspondence to: Prof Brent Taylor
        Summary
        Introduction
        Patients and methods
        Results
        Discussion
        References

        Summary

        Background We undertook an epidemiological study to investigate whether measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine may be causally associated with autism.

        Methods Children with autism born since 1979 were identified from special needs/disability registers and special schools in eight North Thames health districts, UK. Information from clinical records was linked to immunisation data held on the child health computing system. We looked for evidence of a change in trend in incidence or age at diagnosis associated with the introduction of MMR vaccination to the UK in 1988. Clustering of onsets within defined postvaccination periods was investigated by the case-series method.

        Findings We identified 498 cases of autism (261 of core autism, 166 of atypical autism, and 71 of Asperger’s syndrome). In 293 cases the diagnosis could be confirmed by the criteria of the International Classification of Diseases, tenth revision (ICD10: 214 [82%] core autism, 52 [31%] atypical autism, 27 [38%] Asperger’s syndrome). There was a steady increase in cases by year of birth with no sudden “step-up” or change in the trend line after the introduction of MMR vaccination. There was no difference in age at diagnosis between the cases vaccinated before or after 18 months of age and those never vaccinated. There was no temporal association between onset of autism within 1 or 2 years after vaccination with MMR (relative incidence compared with control period 0·94 [95% CI 0·60­1·47] and 1·09 [0·79­1·52]). Developmental regression was not clustered in the months after vaccination (relative incidence within 2 months and 4 months after MMR vaccination 0·92 [0·38­2·21] and 1·00 [0·52­1·95]). No significant temporal clustering for age at onset of parental concern was seen for cases of core autism or atypical autism with the exception of a single interval within 6 months of MMR vaccination. This appeared to be an artifact related to the difficulty of defining precisely the onset of symptoms in this disorder.

        Interpretation Our analyses do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism. If such an association occurs, it is so rare that it could not be identified in this large regional sample.

        Lancet 1999; 353: 2026­29

        http://scholar.googleusercontent.com/scholar?q=cache:psh5BXBTDykJ:scholar.google.com/+Rate+of+Autism+in+vaccinated+vs+unvaccinated&hl=en&as_sdt=0,23

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    • I’m one of those people whose child had the MMR vaccine, has a very bad reaction, and then stopped speaking. He was later diagnosed with autism. The media can tell me birds don’t fly, and fish don’t swim. I could care less. When you witness something first hand, you can’t be dissuaded by a few news articles, or by people who buy their story lock stock and barrel. That said, I am not against vaccines. I believe that vaccination has saved a lot of lives. But I am for a lot more testing to make them safe. If you had gone through what I went through, you would feel the same way.

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    • Kenneth

      Dear Peter, please read the Wakefield study for yourself before you comment on it. It’s not very long.

      It’s clear you haven’t read it, or been following the case, because the study has been upheld in the British courts, and the claims of fraud revoked. Did you know that the study does not conclude that there is a link between MMR and autism?

      Read the damn science, and stop being a part of the misinformation machine.

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    • Raygn Leisure

      The US media is not righ in blacking out this story. If it is a lie then the media coverage allows the information to be presented in order for it to be challenged and proven to be a lie.. To block out information and control it proves that a source who has great resources wishes to supress knowledge and control people rather than give them tools to make educated decisions. I have never been vacinnted. I am 40 years old. Your point is from an ignorant point of view.

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    • Yes, you are right, just reading this, it is a badly written article, turning facts and truth around to continue to promote bad, bad science. Whatever reasons the court gave for coming to this conclusion will make no sense. Because as you point out, the only information and so-called study down linking the MMM vaccine with autism (published and then RETRACTED by the Lancet) was proved, without any doubt, to be a huge hoax created by Dr. Wakefield and the people who paid him to “prove vaccines cause autism”. He never proved it, in fact, when the very small study of 12 children was looked at in depth, there was no proof found linking the vaccine.
      Why is it people who are knee-jerk against vaccines, without doing in-depth studies, never look at the big payment he received to create fraudulent results? There is not about science, not about people’s health, this is solely about feeding into people’s fears and the huge market in “natural” vaccine goods; which do not act as good vaccines.
      However, this travesty is just what we need if we want to lower population numbers. My son is on the autism spectrum and I have studied and researched deeply and at length. And there is no proof that any vaccine causes autism, in fact, there is lots of proof that vaccines have nothing to do with autism.
      However, if you want epidemics that cause deaths and major health problems and far more disabilities in far more children of all ages, then, yes, stop vaccinating and wait, the horrible results will prove, after all the damage and death, how wrong all this ignorant fear-mongering is
      Shall we go back to the days of epidemics? No matter what reason the court gave and whoever thinks this is true, or good, people have to study science, history and all the research that proves, time and time and time again, that the MMM Vaccine is not linked in any way to autism but saves lives and cuts down on disabilities in children.

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      • mc

        I have a copy of the actual court ruling if you would like to see it, it is of course in Italian,

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      • - Collective Evolution

        This isn’t true. Refer to the following:

        Dr. Wakefield’s story is a cautionary tale of just how easy it can be to ruin someone’s hard-earned reputation, and just how difficult it can be to prove one’s innocence – or rather, correctness — even when you’re sitting with proof in hand.

        “In 2004, I suddenly got this contact from a freelance journalist Brian Deer working on behalf of the Sunday Times making a whole series of allegations against me and my colleagues,” Dr. Wakefield says.

        “In his opinion, these children did not need investigation. In his opinion, these children did not need a colonoscopy or a lumbar puncture or these other investigations that my clinical colleagues had deemed they most certainly did need.”

        This is a journalist with no formal medical training whatsoever. It was just his opinion. But as a crafty wordsmith, he wove together a compelling tale of how Dr. Wakefield and his posse had rounded up autistic children for the purpose of creating a legal case against the vaccine manufacturers to bring about the downfall of the vaccine, in order to then launch his own vaccine onto the market.

        It was a great story.

        Too bad it wasn’t true.

        Just for starters, had he done his homework, he would have realized the whole thing was impossible since the manufacturers were by then indemnified and couldn’t be sued anymore.

        “He made so many factual errors, but he nonetheless managed to persuade the General Medical Council (GMC) to initiate a process of investigation against us. And by that stage, this had become such a political hot potato, the Minister of Health, and a number of people from the department… construed this case against us.

        … So they determined that the world’s leading pediatric gastroenterologist was not fit to determine whether these children needed a colonoscopy or not for clinical indications.”

        The world’s leading pediatric gastroenterologist he’s referring to here is not himself, but rather Professor John Walker-Smith, to whom Dr. Wakefield would refer parents of autistic children with highly complex medical histories.

        “… So some doctors contacted me. Some parents put me in contact with their doctors, and I spoke to them. I communicated with them, and the referrals were made accordingly or not.

        At the GMC, I was found guilty of causing children to have, for example, spinal taps because of this communication.

        Now, that’s got to be a completely new charge — causing children to have these tests. I didn’t do the test. I wasn’t there when the tests were done. I didn’t prescribe the tests. But I caused the children to have them because the parents called me and I suggested getting a referral to Walker-Smith.

        That is how complex, and how bizarre and tortuous this process has become.”

        There are many more complexities involved in this story and the latest rounds of media attention that has befallen Dr. Wakefield, which is why I strongly I urge you to listen to the entire interview above.

    • As an American who publishes top secret history, this is not the only article that the mainstream media blacked out. It blacks out all truth.

      Here is an article on vaccines by an Indian medical doctor that I published at http://www.truedemocracy.net/hj36/35.html

      Then, there is this article about the flu shot in 1918:
      http://www.truedemocracy.net/td-20/13.html

      The pharmaceutical industry wields so much power that this is why doctors are not able to overcome it.

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    • C

      I must say as a health care professional I question the amount of vaccines given. I even question the influenza vaccine (as it usually does not work anyway) and Hep A and B vaccines (once again, no guarantee they will even provide immunity). When the vaccine for influenza first came out I was required to receive it. I have not been the same since and would love to become involved in studies. I have also had a strange diminishment of my ability to memorize things, which occurred immediately following the 3rd dose of the Hep A and B vaccine.

      For years now I have a constant aching in my muscles all over my body which began within hours of receiving the influenza vaccine. It was not Epstein-Barr. It has not gone away, only diminished. My muscles feel weak, and ache and I easily become fatiqued (so my overall physical fitness has now declined because of this). Doctors are using the excuse I am getting “old” (46 now). This started when I was 36. As to the memory problem which started immediately after my final dose of Hep A and B vaccine, the doctors I have seen are suggesting I am getting “old” or suggest Alzheimer’s (which has not occurred in my family), or a stroke (which tests showed it wasn’t). I required vaccines in order to work as a health care professional, but now I am trying to get out of this profession because of what the required vaccines have done to me and no one is willing to find out or even consider that the vaccines damaged my health.

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      • Redshoe

        Hi C, As a suggestion, I would talk to a traditional homeopath about detoxing these vaccines out of your system. It is possible through homeopathics but I recomend that you see someone who has practice this type modality for many years. Ask around. I think its wise to get out of this profession. Good luck and better health to you.

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    • Fighting Grandma

      Peter, next time you or your loved ones go in for a vaccine, ask to see the ingredients and warnings pamphlet. That should answer any of your questions or considerations about the safety of vaccines. You may also want to search Bill Gates little seminar to investors on how he plans to reduce the population on earth…through vaccines.

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    • Marc

      Just because a greedy doctor says something does not make it science.
      Wake up, stupid. Try spending time with children who have bad reactions to over vaccination. That’s science. Observation of true life situations is just as much, or more, science than giant double blind studies paid for by drug companies. Since autism is caused by many different things, the larger the sample size, the more likely to show that vaccines are not a cause. That’s not science, it’s whitewash.

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      • Andy McDonald

        @Marc- if studies are biased by who paid for them, they may be bad, even crooked science. I hope that is your point. But you show a stunning willingness to redefine terms. So you think “the larger the sample size, the more likely to show that vaccines are not a cause”? Just … go… learn how statistics work.

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    • Dave Astad

      You sound as though you are on the pharma payroll so I will not argue with you. But for the people out there with concerns about giving their children vaccines, this link below might be helpful. A good question would be how many un-vaccinated children aquired autism.
      http://rense.com/general85/cant.htm

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    • Cheryl

      @Peter Freeman, I haven’t heard of ‘hundreds’ of studies… but one maybe two… under pressure from the public, a big pharma tied study was done on vaccines and autism and found no link. BUT there are two problems… conflict of interest to company profits AND it was disgustingly dishonestly done. They used two groups of children… one group was given the usual vaccines and the other groups was just given the chemical soup without the virus component. Surprise! No difference in the rate of autism! Do they really think the public is that dumb? I hope we are not.

      Autism rose 600% when they doubled the number of vaccines required in the 80’s. They give a 10 lb baby the same amount of chemical soup they give a 260 lbs man… seriously? common sense rules… you don’t shoot those kinds of chemicals into a human being and claim it makes them stronger.. we have more auto immune dissorders and alllergies today than ever before… The US ranks #42 according to the WHO on healthy populations. We are also the most vaccinated population in the world. See the below link or look it up on you tube if the link doesn’t come thru… ‘Vaccines: The Hidden Truth’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqsT5EoIk8U

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    • Helena

      Who are you Peter to challenge Dr Wakefield in his studies? What exactly are your personal credentials and on what basis do you base your view other than stating ‘hundreds of studies.’

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      • Peter Freeman

        Helena, Mr. Wakefield was stripped of his medical cridentials after he falsified his research and the Lancet retracted his work. I don’t have to be the expert to refute his work. Enough experts have already done this for me. As far as my credentials, Autism runs in my family and I am one of them. So I have an inside view. I also have been studying neuro-psychology and cellular biology that examines how the brain communicates with itself.

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    • CG

      It would be a rare case for someone to die of measles, mumps or rubella with todayʻs knowledge about health and healing and our advances in acute medical care. The vaccines were created with the best interest of health in mind – yes – but also with a profit motive.
      Please understand measles especially is NOT a fatal disease.
      Injecting foreign protein into the immune system WEAKENS the immune system overall. This is proven science and basic physiology. It has only made matters worse that vaccines are now being given to newborns and infants who have “immature” immune systems.
      Vaccines are marketed using fear. It is important for every person to do their own research and to be sure you are making a decision based on real facts, not on “fear of death”.

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    • The One

      Working for the CDC or W.H.O. there Pete?

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    • laurie

      I and my now 27 yr old son are evidence of the damage the MMR vaccination can d do.he was a normally healthy baby until the 1st shot.within a couple hours he began writhing and crying hysterically and then became lethargic and never recovered to his pre vaccine state.at the time,i took him to the ER and then his doctor,who told me “it happens sometimes”and that my son couldn’t recieve the other 2 vaccines.he,FROM THAT POINT ON,became developmentally delayed and developed a severe psychiatric illness as well.not to mention that at the time of. the shot it all.almost killed him.so dont tell me or anyone else that this is all hogwash ever h e heard the saying”methinks thou doest protest too much” ? Maybe its a little parental guilt you dont want to acknowledge because then you’d h have to admit YOU alllowed a vaccine to be administered to YOUR daughter. that did. irrepairable harm and changed the kind of life she will have.it’s not your fault or mine but the doc’s who aren’t willing to tell the REAL story of what some of these shots can do.having said that.there are w ways to administer them without harm,splitting ALL sho shots into single dose shots and administer 2-4 weeks apart.a tiny 6 or 7lb infant cannot handle them if too many,too soon are given.the total acceptance of the propoganda and other r wise pure bullshit those who would lose billions of dollars have trying to pass off as truth, by you is alarming.the financial effects if the truth were made public would cripple pharmaceutical companies and the government.which. one do you have ties to I wonder?

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      • Thank you for your story – the same thing happened to my son – my son was NORMAL… Just shy of his 2nd birthday – he had the MMR shot – within a short time he had a stroke, seizures & regressed verbally – he has never been the same since… This shot caused vaccine injury… There are thousands of children that this has happened to…

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      • ann

        Thank you for your comment Laurie. It is heartbreaking to hear stories such as yours. Some of us are enlightened enough to research beyond corporate-owned media (eg.News Corp and Glaxo in bed with each other) with their constant pro-vaccination articles which are increasing in scale and intensity as consumers question the risk-benefits of vaccinating their most precious charges. Not vaccinating a child is a decision not taken lightly by the parent but is one which is taken after research beyond the pamphlets handed out by profit driven pharmaceutical companies. The research also includes anecdotal information like yours Laurie which in the scientific community, unfortunately, doesn’t count for much!! I know who I believe. All the best.

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    • C

      Bear in mind dis information hacks are hired by big pharma to comment on stories like this. I’ve been following the vaccine story for over 20 years. There are thousands of doctors, researchers, and scientists, supporting the findings of this story. I personally know people whose children passed out, had inflammation of the brain screaming after vaccinations and more.

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    • Desiree McNicol

      More important than any study(which the common person is coerced into accepting) is the countless real people I encounter every day that I work in disabilities. So many mums tell me that their child was profoundly affected from the moment of the vaccination. One girl I worked with for years was a normal child and went limp in her mums arms upon vaccination and was autistic/damaged from there on. People are told to believe “scientists” they don’t know personally instead of trusting their own powers of observation. Another thing worth considering is that the vaccines only “work” for 5 to 10 years. Think about the massive implications of this on many levels. We have a basic human right to question anything that invades our personal space and integrity.

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      • Pam

        My problem with your statement is that it is entirely empirical evidence, based on a parent’s observation. Where we are depending on a parent to give an honest assessment of a child. While I do not work with the severely handicap, I am a preschool teacher and was a daycare provider, and do have a degree in child development. We know three children with Autism and two of the three mothers try to make this claim, “that their child was perfectly normal before the vaccination for mmr around fifteen months. ” Only they were not, family and friends had noticed abnormalities and had even tried talking to the parents. With my niece I tried to gently explain that a nine month old sitting for two hours staring at a ball was not normal, especially while unable to make eye contact with anyone. But Mom was so thrilled that her child was so quiet., ugh. The third mom is also a preschool teacher with a degree in ECE and Early child development and was not a first time parent. She began noticing the issues with her daughter at around four months old, by a year she was convinced of something wrong, by eighteen months they had her in a special program.. Sammy was able to go to regular school and be mainstreamed, She graduated only a year behind, and is doing well as a young adult. Because her parents admitted the truth early and were able to seek help.

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        • ibelievetheparents

          check youtube out for parents of MMR damaged children, before and after videos?

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        • It’s anecdotal evidence, not empirical.

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    • betsy

      Just keep drinking the koolaid Peter…..

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    • RevNowWhileWeCan

      First. Censorship of any kind is not “right”.
      Second. “What is real is that children who are not vaccinated are now dying from the diseases these vaccines prevent against”, is a lie.
      Third. These FACTS are no open for interpretation……………………….
      Autism is diagnosed in about 1 in 88 as opposed to about 1 in 10,000 in 1983. Conversely there were about 10 “mandatory” shots in 1983 by age 6 as opposed to about FIFTY currently. Coincidence? Only in the eyes of those whom have a conflict of interest in reporting the facts.
      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502622093089293&set=a.498777276807108.121348.100000245209981&type=3&theater

      No evidence of any links? Really?…… http://www.adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

      The Polio Vaccination is the number one cause of polio now………… http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/polio-vaccines-now-1-cause-polio-paralysis

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      • Carl

        Autism was not a spectral disease in 1983. Children with the disease today would be called “slow” or challenged then. This is not a valid argument.

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      • Nunya

        “Autism is diagnosed in about 1 in 88 as opposed to about 1 in 10,000 in 1983″ …… it’s called advances in medical science and diagnosis….. Autism was usually diagnosed as mental retardation and other various disorders

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      • Scott

        I’m curious about the 50 mandatory shots. My daughter is almost 3-years-old and she has not received so many shots; nor will she have to take so many, even with the adaptability of viral strains always increasing. She is currently not suffering from signs of autism, either. I have not checked her intestinal bacterial counts, but I’m pretty sure she does not have excessive growth of certain microbial organisms that are commonly found in many autistic patients. If there is a correlation (perhaps cause and effect?) perhaps future vaccinations should feature pre- and post- (maybe 4 months?) collection of intestinal bacteria to help determine if the vaccines do disrupt the “safer” ratios and cause problematic growth of less symbiotic bacteria. Perhaps this would help us understand the issue.

        Finegold, et al. (2012) “Microbiology of regressive autism” Anaerobe. 18 (2) 260-62.
        {http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1075996411002423}

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        • mc

          check the ingredients and what they are actually vaccinating her against, they combine the shots, the fact she is almost 3 and you are actually unaware of what she has had injected into her body is rather scary

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        • Well said Scott!!! At least your statement offers a realistic solution to this whole argument. Maybe all infants should be tested for autism/bacterial microorganism counts prior to vaccination, and then this argument continuum will be unnecessary lol. Given the population increase is it any wonder autism is increased also, everything else increases e.g. incarceration rates, mental health issues, poverty e.t.c. Our unhealthy lifestyles, the polluted air we breathe, asbestos in ceilings, eating fast foods, eating products off the shelf, and trusting what is in them is obviously good for us without researching the additives which they contain is naive. Are you all going to stop breathing, eating or living in houses lol Stop making such a big deal over a vaccination that saves lives in the majority of cases. Perhaps humans should take the pedigree dog breeders approach and breed out genetic mutations in our race, and stop cross breading with people with defects in their DNA. We may just have a healthier society. Just a thought…It works in dogs lol

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        • DeeCee

          Please note MMR & DTaP are combo shots, which is 3 doses of these diseases in one vaccine.. Getting both is equal to 6 vax. Here is the general schedules.. Some states require more:

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      • Peter Freeman

        Wow! Your insane post is so utterly stupid, I don’t know where to start…Polio is caused by the vaccine? Wow! Children do not die from Measles , Mumps, or Phubella? Really? The Swansea measles outpreak is just a fluke? You better do a little more homework because you are just making yourself look silly here.

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        • mc

          who dies in the Swansea outbreak? there were no deaths directly linked to the measles outbreak, there was mass scaremongering from the media during that time also, 200 children in Co Cork last summer contracted measles, zero fatalities, zero lasting effects.

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        • Alexis

          dear Peter freeman the more I read your comments the more I think you are another brainwashed stupid person on this planet..who leaves in fear!!!diet hygiene and positive thinking are much better then poisons!!!

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        • Alex Wax

          Hey Peter, never be afraid to question your beliefs and definitions. Embrace the contradictions and paradox because is where you will find your truth. Keep your mind open and your eyes peeled.

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        • Theresa

          The fact is that these vaccines are not properly tested. They’re placed on the market with children used as guinea pigs. When it is found that the vaccines are dangerous, they are then pulled off the market. A prime example of that is the oral polio vaccine that was found to actually CAUSE polio. After millions of doses were given to kids, they pulled it off the market. Another thought to consider is that it is illegal to sue a Dr for damage caused by a vaccine. Why is that? Many Drs not are not allowing their patients to opt out of vaccines. Hmmmm…Could that be because they don’t have to pay for the harm they cause? Or could it be the large bonus that they receive from HMO’s at the end of the year for having all their patients vaccinated? I used to vaccinate my kids until my son had a severe reaction to his DTAP vaccine. I did my own research and it’s startling. You don’t really have to go far to see the risks involved. Simply read the huge pamphlet of fine print that your given when your child gets vaccinated. It’s all there to read but most people just pitch it without reading it.

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          • stephanie

            Very well said Theresa. I am not Anti-Vaccines, I am however anti-unsafe- vaccines! I am a heath care worker and it is unbelievable what people will believe without doing research just because the CDC or FDA tell them so. Do they not realize they take money from the same companies that make these vaccines. And Willis it is child abuse to willingly give your child such chemicals knowing you may cause them severe harm.

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        • Harry

          How many died in the Swansea outbreak ? 1 ? 2 ? 5? NONE ?

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        • DeeCee

          Peter, hopefully you’ve done research on the actual history of disease. When you do please feel free to come back and comment further. Polio vaccines have not only given polio to the person receiving the vax, it also was being spread to those in contact with the vax’ed person- that’s why a dead virus was used..

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          • Jon

            citation needed for your claim, as well as the definition of a “dead virus” since there is a great deal of argument as to whether a virus is alive in the first place- something I learned in 10th grade biology for the first time.

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        • You sound like a paid pharma shill.

          If not, you have gone full retard. You NEVER go full retard.

          STOP drinking vaccines Mr. Freeman!

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        • BojanD

          Actually Peter, Joe is partly right, even though he blew it out of proportion and linked another weird article. I should check this, of course, but polio vaccine has three strains and I think one is already eradicated, so it does pose a danger that the vaccine itself might keep it alive. This danger was confirmed here and then.
          This however doesn’t mean that Joe is totally right. It just gives him food for further manipulations.

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          • Joe

            Yes, further manipulations. Quit looking in the mirror. The point I am making, or trying to make, is that in many cases the arguments people use to point to the fact that there is no autism/MMR connection is based on the same fallacious reasoning that people accuse Wakefield of. Not only is it hypocritical, but it also discounts true sciense, which I am all in favor of. As I mentioned in another post, true science is not often practiced.

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        • Luca

          OKAY JUST STOP WITH ALL YOUR NONSENSE !! If you want vaccines take all the ones you want no one is stopping you. Some of us do not believe they are useful or do any good so just leave it at that. Thank you.

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          • Willis

            Can’t leave it at that, because while I’m sure you were vaccinated as a child, you appear to be ready to deny the same privilege to other children. That’s certainly child abuse in my eyes. Nobody cares if you “believe vaccines are useful or do any good.” Read that again and again until it sinks in. Nobody cares about your dumb, unfounded belief in nonsense. Keep reading it. You’re ignorant, and no one cares what you “believe,” because you’re very obviously uninformed. The thought of you making health decisions for other humans – even if they are your kids – is abominable and terrifying. Also, consider: you may have healthy kids who may become only moderately ill from one of these illnesses because you’re too stupid to vaccinate them. I may have kids with immune system deficiencies who cannot be vaccinated, but would otherwise never run into MMR because of herd immunity. If my child were to run into yours, and contract a life-threatening illness because you listened to Jenny McCarthy, you and I would be having a very long and very unpleasant conversation. You imbecile.

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          • Peter Freeman

            Do you ever hear of small-pox anymore? No? Do you know why? Because the small-pox vaccine effectivly erradicated the disease from the face of the earth. You are just too young (and so am I) to remember that horrible and highly contagious disease.

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        • - Collective Evolution

          Actually, studying into the Polio life span reveals the natural decline that took place with Polio. After the decline, when the vaccine was introduced, it began causing a TON of polio cases. Later the vaccine maker testified in court about this fact. You can read more about it here http://www.collective-evolution.com/2012/02/18/the-polio-vaccine-myth-the-vaccine-stopped-polio/

    • Mary

      …and the study that debunked Wakefield (the Danish study) was led by a Poul Thorsen who is a wanted fugitive suspected of stealing money from that same study. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/11/prweb10153713.htm

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    • steve simons

      drug company stooge

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      • Nunya

        Become educated on the subject…..then come back and humbly realize who the “stooge” is ….. I think people like you are extremely dangerous, spreading uneducated fear and ignorance such as this comment. There are plenty of bandwagons to jump on….don’t be so irresponsible with which you choose to jump on.

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      • ALH

        Believe it or not Steve, the vast majority of scientists believe there is no connection between vaccinations and autism and none of them get money from drug companies. Maybe if you actually had scientific evidence to back up your theories would wouldn’t have to resort to name calling.

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        • truthtoburn

          where have you been ALH ? do you not do ‘any’ research at all?

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        • Ava

          Dr. Wakefield said all long, and most people like to ignore this, that it was when vaccines are combined that the problems presented, if given separately they appeared to be safe. But the drug companies had already made so much money that they decided to brand him as a fraud, and were supported by those in gov’t who owned huge stock in these same drug companies, and who decided to protect their assets instead of the children.

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        • Nunya

          ALH, but he doesn’t ….. it is frustrating to see people so “convinced” of the misinformation they have been given and when people don’t agree, they are all in the drug companies pockets! LLLLOL ….. it’s a conspiracy! …. against who??? our own children? These are people who know just enough to be dangerous by spreading fear….but not enough to be accurate.
          I also like how just because a jury was convinced, it must be true. I’m sure all the people who were condemned to death for being a “witch” in the 1600’s, the jury was correct there too.

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      • Willis

        There is absolutely a stooge in this conversation, but it’s not Peter Freeman. Here’s a story about Merck giving away vaccines at cost. You dope.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/10/health/prices-cut-for-hpv-cervical-cancer-vaccines-for-neediest.html?hpw

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        • Yes, Merck giving out vaccines at cost reminds me of North Carolina giving out cigarettes to children for free too to get them hooked. Wake up. It’s good publicity.

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        • Joe

          Yeah, after how many government subsidies?

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      • Peter Freeman

        I wish I was, Steve. Then I would be making a whole lot more than I am in manufacturing! The reality is that Autism runs in my family. Also, my mom’s brother, the uncle I was named after, died a week before his 14th birthday from Polio, a disease that has almost been irradicated by vaccines. Maybe we should welcome back the disease that put my uncle in an iron-lung!?!

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        • And everyone who received the polio vaccine in the 50’s thru whenever also received 40 Monkey viruses that causes most if not all of our cancer today including rare diseases That is a proven fact just research sv-40.

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          • Cheryl

            My sisters and I were all given the infected polio vaccine in the 50’s and now two of us have cancer.

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        • BA

          Polio in this country for the last 30+ years has been the result of the polio vaccine. These vaccines are also seriously contaminated. Do your research and don’t ignore the article you find incredulous. BA

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          • Jake

            As stated in the article in the post again, polio was on a free fall before thvaccine was mainstream, you have no proof the vaccine is why we don’t have polio today.

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        • No one in my family has it and no one in my husbands family has it but my daughter does and every time she gets a vaccine she regresses in speech

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          • Dave Joyce

            Elizabeth, there’s a difference though. One is inserted directly into the bloodstream. The other sources you mention are not.

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          • Cheryl – the amount of aluminum in the entire year’s worth of vaccines is <4.225mg.

            The amount present in breast milk is 0.04mg per liter. Formula has anywhere from 0.225 to 0.93mg per liter. The amount in drinking water is up to 0.25mg per liter.

            Babies drink about .75L of milk a day, so they get 0.03mg per day. It would take four months to get the amount of aluminum in a year's worth of vaccines from breast milk, 6 days of the highest aluminum carrying formula, and 16.9L of drinking water.

            That doesn't even count how much aluminum is in the rest of the environment.

            The aluminum in vaccines given to infants is totally and completely insignificant.

            http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccine-ingredients/aluminum.html

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          • M V Plumb

            My son had similar problems, it was a combo of the mercury used in vaccines (thalami so, I think that is how you spell it) and milk intolerance detected by a Biocom 2000 resonance therapist. Give it a try, his speech has come on leaps and bound.

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          • Vanessa

            It could be the mercury (tiamaso) that is used in the vaccines as well as probably a milk intolerance – I had that problem with my son. I got him detoxed, he has come leaps and bound -

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            • Peter Freeman

              Vanessa I think you are trying to name Thimerosal which was the preservative used in the MMR vaccine. Yet, Thimerosal was removed from the vaccine over ten years ago so that can not be the cause of the increase of diagnosis. Yes, many Autistic children have stomach issues/sensitivity and lactose intollarence is part of that.

            • Cheryl

              @ Peter… You are correct about the Thimerosol (a refined and even more toxic to the brain/body than crude mercury) … what you may not realize is that it was replaced with aluminum, also highly toxic to the human brain/body… they are finding aluminum tangles in the brains of alzheimer’s patients.

        • C

          Actually Peter, Polio cases were dropping all over the world including unvaccinated populations due to better diet and hygiene. Big Pharma created a sleight of hand graph showing how Polio dropped dramatically after the vaccine was introduced. What they DIDN’T show was the top of the graph showing the disease in a free fall long before the vaccine came out. Check out the story with 5 doctors, researchers and parents on the shite they pass off for profit that damages children to the tune of what? 2 billion in payouts from the vaccine damage fund? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqsT5EoIk8U

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          • Bart Rex

            Then why is polio only prevalent in countries that don’t have an adequate vaccine system (i.e. India) What about Smallpox? Was that just a coincidence?

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            • ibelievetheparents

              @Bart Rex If you read C’s comment you would have answered your question.
              but then again… you would not have asked in the first place, if you read it properly!!?

              ”due to better diet and hygiene.”.

          • The One

            Please stop using facts and logic on Pete. He may become confused and dangerous…

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    • KJ

      I keep hearing of the studies done that show no link between autism and vaccines but I`ve never read them. Does anyone have links to those studies?

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      • And here’s five – linked at the bottom of the CDC article about it.

        http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/Index.html

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        • Bobbi Jo

          Notice that both of those studies are .gov websites….I have no trust in a government that can be bought and sold by lobbyists.

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          • stvahtlr

            So, every government.

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          • Carl

            These studies are often produced independently and the engine is PubMed, which only relays to the full text on private journals in most cases. But then, you’d probably think they can be bought and sold by oligarchs, so really there is no true way of getting any information that you’d accept.

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    • - Collective Evolution

      Keep in mind the following statement:
      “…here is a list of 28 studies from around the world that support Dr. Wakefield’s controversial findings:”
      You can find all of the studies here http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx

      Science is not being denied here, it instead is being examined as it constantly should. If the scientific method is used correctly, it means we would humbly always re-check our findings as we learn more and compare that to our previous theories.

      • Bart Rex

        Mercola is irresponsible if he’s claiming those studies support Wakefields (exhaustively disproven) assertion that a relationship between MMR and Autism. Quoting Mercola is equally irresponsible (he’s not a peer-reviewed scientist or medical author- he’s a salesman)

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      • Bart Rex

        It is well known that Mercola is a complete joke in the scientific community. He’s always selling this or that (which is a HUGE red flag) Like Dr Oz (also a huckster) he spouts psuedo-science which is completely irresponsible…

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        • - Collective Evolution

          The only people who consider Mercola a joke are those who push the mainstream agenda hard. He is a threat to them. There is not any real shred of belief that he is a joke other than rumors and heresy that gets passed around to those who don’t think much for themselves and look into things. Is he right about everything? no, but he is a hell of a lot more open minded than most other doctors. The vaccine truth has been blown open by the documents released in the UK admitting vaccines are a fraud, I dont know why people continue to argue the subject so heavily.

      • Heidi

        Well if you knew anything about the scientific method you would have not titled your story as you have. A correlation does not show causation.

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        • - Collective Evolution

          But.. the Italian court DID RULE that the vaccine caused autism… hence why the title says this. There is no suggesting whether it does or doesn’t, I’m just reporting on what the Italian court did do.

      • Cheryl

        THE BIGGER ISSUE HERE IS FREEDOM TO CHOOSE… these debate/arguing/mudslinging comments are totally missing the point. ARE WE A FREE NATION? Or must we be told what to do regardless of what we believe the science/empirical evidence suggests? Are we to be told what to do by a pharmaceutical controlled health care system? We who intelligently and studiously decide not to vaccinate are not trying to force the other side to not vaccinate. Can you see the problem here?

        This issue is not about vaccines as much as it is about the rights of a free people to make educated decisions for their families. Please no comments about a few bad apples who don’t care for their children correctly means we all lose our freedom. The camel’s nose is under the tent and if we don’t get it out, we will lose more than our freedom.

        Give parents both sides and they will choose what is best for THEIR children! This is AMERICA! Not Soviet Russia!

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        • Orna

          Cheryl, you are free to choose. I own a nursery school and while I am required to keep my students immunization records parents are free to fill in a refusal to vaccinate form. I live in a community that is dealing with a whooping cough epidemic something easily prevented because so many parents aren’t vaccinating.

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          • ohreally?

            gee that’s interesting. b/c the whooping cough outbreak in the US recently was reported that 80% of those who contracted the disease were fully vaccinated.
            So how does that fact support your absurd claim?

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        • BojanD

          There’s no such thing as absolute freedom in modern society. Try it, go ahead, exercise your freedom of choice and stop paying taxes.

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        • Kieran Madden

          I believe parents in the US are legally obliged to put seatbelts on their children. And yet, if a car crashes into a lake, those seatbelts can cause the children to drown.

          Do you think parents should have the choice whether or not to belt up their kids? Or would you consider parents who don’t make the kids wear seatbelts irresponsible and deserving of prosecution?

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          • Katerina

            Is there a chance that a seat belt could bring seizures? A “chance” that wearing seat belt could cause Autism? Is there of:
            ” risk blood in the urine or stool
            pneumonia
            inflammation of the stomach or intestines
            headaches, upper respiratory tract infection (about 1 person in 3)
            stuffy nose, sore throat, joint pain (about 1 person in 6)
            abdominal pain, cough, nausea (about 1 person in 7)
            diarrhea (about 1 person in 10)
            fever (about 1 person in 100)” (Straight from the CDC)
            Seat belt is not a reasonable comparison at all. There are risks ^^^ that go with vaccines and if parents do want to risk that, by knowingly injecting the garbage in their childs blood stream, it is their choice…

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          • cameragirl

            Prosecute a parent who may have saved the life of their child by not proceeding with an MMR vaccine?! For what ? Societies so called peace of mind?! see my comments above

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        • I’m more interested in criticizing the faulty science than criticizing anyone’s decision. I don’t feel like I’m the end-all-be-all genius that gets to define what’s right or wrong for other people, so I don’t feel like I get to tell anybody to vaccinate or not vaccinate.

          I have no children now, but when the time comes, I will vaccinate readily and will support schools whose policies ensure maximum effectiveness of those vaccines.

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          • Vaccinations obviously have their place. The problem, I believe, is OVER-vaccination. Young babies are being given multiple vaccinations at a time. The recommended vaccine schedule nowadays is triple what it was 20 years ago. What is that doing to the developing immune system? Beyond autism, what are the other consequences of over-vaccination? Cancer? Diabetes? Depression? We don’t know.
            Parents who are choosing to vaccinate their children would be wise to schedule single vaccinations over a period of time rather than 10-in-1.

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        • the problem with that is that it doesn’t just effect THEIR children, it effects people who might get exposed if THEIR children come down with these illnesses. All these ”childhood” ilnesses cause horrible birth defects or death to an unborn child. The generations that have grown up under the protection of vaccines do not realize that the vaccines were invented because these illnesses caused damage and death. I am a pediatric nurse who, unfortunately, have seen these things. They all can kill you, or chicken pox can severly damage your brain, or measles can make little boys sterile, or mumps can go to your pancrease and make you diabetic – if they can figure out what is wrong before you slip into a diabetic coma and die. If it had been just a matter of a little fever and a few spots, no one would have invented these vaccines in the first place.

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          • mc

            that is so false regarding chicken pox, as only America and Australia vaccinate against it purely for convenience sake, the rest of the world deals with it with ZERO reports of lasting damage, I would question your profession if you genuinely believe that about chicken pox, it is harmless, the worst outcome is the odd scar left after a child picks at a spot , In the UK and Ireland we even get our kids together to purposely catch chicken pox at preschool age to “get it out of the way” , shocking some people are brainwashed into thinking it causes damage tot he brain,

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            • scienceguy

              We have a term for intentionally exposing your child to a disease in order to inoculate them … we call it “vaccination.”

          • cameragirl

            I have an adult brother brain damaged from the high fever caused by measles, pre vaccine era. My young daughter had a fever of 104 f, and had hallucinations and spots after one MMR vaccine in the US. Do you honestly think after a life threatening experience such as that, that any rational parent is going to proceed with the next in the series of MMR vaccines for their child? No I will not ever sacrifice my family for any government, doctor or society!

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          • Kieran Madden

            M – I’m afraid you’re the one who needs to think.

            When vaccination levels drop too low this puts very young children and babies, who haven’t yet been vaccinated due to their age, at risk.

            We’re seeing this now in Wales here in the UK. Even pregnant women are having to be vaccinated to protect their babies when they’re born. Hundreds of children have gone through excruciating suffering and may have been weakened permanently; it’s only a matter of time before someone is crippled or dies.

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          • Jake

            Cynthia you make no sense. My children are in their 40s and never contracted or passed another one of these diseases to another person. How could they if they had…..the other children would have been vaccinated.

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          • M

            Ummm, think about what you’re saying, really. Why would you be concerned about the kids who Were vaccinated being “affected” by the ones who weren’t? If the kids are vaccinated, they are “protected”, so they shouldn’t be in danger then. Isn’t that the whole point of getting the vaccine in the first place??

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      • Jonathan Phillips

        I did the other kind of check to BojanD. I downloaded all the papers I could easily get (that’s all except 16, 17, 21, 27 and 28. So 23 of them). I then searched in every single one for ‘vacc’ and ‘immuni’, looking for words like vaccine, vaccination, immunization, etcetcetc.

        I’m not an expert in vaccinations but I’d hope I can spot a paper that isn’t about vaccinations.

        Numbers 1,2,3,4,8,9,10,15,18,19,20,22,23,25,26 didn’t turn up anything useful in the article itself. I sometimes got paper titles in the references, or autoimmunity, but those definitely don’t count.

        I couldn’t search number 5, but I read the abstract and it doesn’t seem relevant.

        Numbers 13 and 24 mentioned vaccinations/immunizations once, but weren’t about those things.
        Number 12 is a case study, so doesn’t count.

        So you have 4 (maybe 5, if all the papers I didn’t read are relevant then 10) papers that agree with what he says. I flicked through no. 14 – it seemed to be presenting an idea and how to work on it. The abstract ends with “A review of atypical tetanus cases, and strategies to test the validity of this paper’s hypothesis, are included”, so they think that their hypothesis needs testing.

        That was quite a ramble, but my point is that that list of studies that back up Wakefield’s findings is BS. And when you said “the point is others have replicated his findings numerous times with accuracy” – that appears to be very wrong.

        I’ll repeat that I’ve not read these 4 papers – maybe all 4 of them are good, maybe they’re all rubbish. That’s not my point.

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        • Zorro2013

          Unless you are a trained microbiologist, you are unlikely to understand any of those papers cited. I have checked through a few of them, and the technical vocabulary blew me away. I admit I could not make head nor tails of them – and could certainly not understand them (despite to post-graduate degrees in other disciplines).

          Believe what you will, but for goodness sake, stay within whatever knowledge area you are competent in. Getting out of it will merely make you look silly.

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          • Annie

            So just because someone is not an expert in a certain field they shouldn’t bother researching and fact checking? This article states that all of the listed research supports his findings, it is prudent to fact check that even if it is outside of ones realm of expertise.

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          • BojanD

            It’s not necessary to understand the whole paper to surmise its main findings. Actually the main findings have to be quite clear from abstract or conclusion section. If a single study would actually support Wakefields claim that MRR vaccine might actually cause autism, that would be a major finding. Be assured that it wouldn’t be missing from abstract.
            Even if I take your bait, I counter your nihilism with a question: shouldn’t we then trust scientists to form a conclusion from these papers? They do, btw. Consensus is clear that there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism.

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        • Exactly. Only one paper that’s repeated Wakefield’s study even attempted to confirm the link between autism and vaccine, and it was a miserable failure.

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        • BojanD

          Jonathan, thumbs up!

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      • BojanD

        I checked first 5 studies and they don’t support Wakefields findings (at least the contested one). Did I have bad (or good) luck and should look further or are you blinding with science?

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        • Christina Waldman

          First of all let’s be clear what the findings of the 1998 Lancet paper were.”The key finding of lymphoid nodular hyperplasia (LNH) and colitis in ASD [autistic spectrum disorder] children have been independently confirmed in five different countries.” Andrew J. Wakefield, “Callous Disregard, Autism and Vaccines – the Truth Behind a Tragedy,” (Skyhorse Publishing: NY 2010), Ch. One, “That Paper,” p. 18; p. 22, fn. 25, lists studies in five different countries, in addition to the UK. There is so much misinformation in the media about Dr. Wakefield. You really have to dig to get beyond it. Dr. Wakefield is suing the journalist who started the lie that his paper is a fraud, Brian Deer, as well as the British Medical Journal and its editor, Dr. Fiona Godlee, for slander and defamation in Texas. The appeal on jurisdiction was heard May 22 in the Texas Third Court of Appeals and is awaiting decision by the judge.

          This particular article is not without errors, Joe Marino.

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          • Peter

            One person who posted here on this thread submitted research reviewed by a group to point out how the flu vaccine was not of any value “The Cochrane Collaboration is an international not-for-profit organization that seeks to improve healthcare decision-making globally, through systematic reviews of the effects of healthcare interventions.” This a world-wide group of over 20,000 health professionals that was started back in 1993 and do this work for free.

            I went to their library to see what they found about research on the MMR vaccine and this is what I found. I will put the last line of their findings here so you don’t have to read the whole article.

            “We could assess no significant association between MMR immunization and the following conditions: autism, asthma, leukemia, hay fever, type 1 diabetes, gait disturbance, Crohn’s disease, demyelinating diseases, or bacterial or viral infections”

            When I sent her this information, she conveniently went off on another tangent. People like to post articles or groups that support what they want to believe but when you use their own sources to correct them, they no longer become a credible source. Sorry, the sword cuts both ways. I have also not had a comment back from Joe Martino since I pointed out this groups findings. Everyone wants to say that people arguing that there is no connection between MMR vaccine and Autism as shills or that the work is paid for by “Big Pharma” but this group is all volunteers from around the world.

            One more interesting twist. Jenny McCarty, who was a big advocate for the MMR/Autism link, has just come out saying her son never had Autism. http://hollywoodlife.com/2010/02/26/jenny-mccarthy-says-her-son-evan-never-had-autism/

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          • Peter

            Are you supporting Wakefield? His career is in shambles so I can imagine he is hoping to salvage something by suing. Obviously if his suit is in appeals, it didn’t go well for him.

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        • The first known cause of autism was rubella virus and rubella virus is one of the three live viruses in the MMR vaccine.

          … rubella (congenital rubella syndrome) is one of the few proven causes of autism.“ Walter A. Orenstein, M.D. US as Assistant Surgeon General, Director National Immunization Program in a letter to the UK’s Chief Medical Officer 15 February 2002People who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autistic conditions following vaccination. The current President of Merck’s Vaccines Division, Julie Gerberding confirmed to CBS News when she was Director of the US Centres for Disease Control that:

          ….. if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism.

          http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/vaccination-causes-autism-%E2%80%93-say-us-government-merck%E2%80%99s-director-of%C2%A0vaccines/

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        • #13 actually says the opposite! No correlation between vaccination and autism.

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        • Interesting you say this, I read a series of random selections from the list and found that many supported his claims, including the 1st and 3rd who bring him up directly. Even if the first 5 didn’t, what about the other 23?

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          • I tried the first 2 random samples that seemed more recent, #9 & #13, just to verify for myself. #9 does not even mention the word “vaccination”, so I moved on to #13 and look what I found as the only mention of “vaccination”:

            “Findings from epidemiological studies have not supported the proposed link between vaccination and autism”

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          • Bart Rex

            No. The first reference DID NOT address a causal link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Maybe it’s a good idea for people to read these references before citing them? (which Mercola pretty much never does)

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          • BojanD

            The pertinent word is ‘contested’ findings, ok? Since Wakefield is a scientists, he probably published many different findings and if a study brings him up directly, that doesn’t mean they confirmed THE study that linked MRR vaccines to the autism. So take the first and third study: read the objectives, read the conclusions, read the keywords, search for ‘vaccine’ or ‘MRR'; it is called functional reading. Red herring, anyone?

            =Even if the first 5 didn’t, what about the other 23?=
            Well, here’s the kicker. If the first 5 did not support it, then I can safely assume that I was being deceived, so I don’t read them. Sure, I could be just plain unlucky (or lucky) to pick 5 out of 28 (23 really supporting Wakefield), but in that case I wouldn’t be talking to you. I would rather play lottery.

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  2. Peter Freeman

    The following was written by my AUTISTIC daughter:

    Ever since vaccinations became a widely-practiced form of treatment, they have been immensely helpful in preventing a wide range of diseases from afflicting people across the entire world. It has been said about them that “with the exception of safe water, no other modality, not even antibiotics, has had such a major effect on mortality reduction and population growth.” (Plotkin, Orenstein, and Offit 1). However, with every major advancement in the world, there are inevitably going to be people who oppose it. The claims against vaccinations have been many and varied, but perhaps the most damaging one in recent history would be the vaccine overload theory.

    The vaccine overload theory posits that the heavy immunologic load presented by routine vaccination can overwhelm or weaken a child’s immune system. “Combined vaccines are like a sudden onslaught to the body’s immune system”, some parents argue (“Parental concerns” 4321). Proponents of this theory commonly link the effects of vaccine overload to the development of autism, and so this belief commonly manifests as a refusal of parents to vaccinate their children. According to a 2006 survey, 21 percent of parents believe that vaccines can overload the immune system, indicating that this theory is influencing a significant portion of the population to oppose vaccinations (“An internet-based survey” 6355).

    However, there is much evidence against the vaccine overload theory, while there is very little evidence in favor of it. For instance, the number of antigens contained in your average vaccine has decreased greatly within the past few decades, with the routine vaccination schedule containing upwards of 3000 antigens in the mid-90s but only 315 in 2012 (Willingham). The rate at which are children diagnosed with autism, meanwhile, has only gone up in that time. The amount of immunologic load in the antigens a child is exposed to in routine vaccination is also very small compared to what they will encounter in everyday life, with most common diseases being far more potent (Murphy 267). Additionally, there is no evidence that vaccines can have any detrimental effect on the immune system in the first place (Miller, Andrews, Waight and Taylor 222), and studies have not confirmed any sort of link between the weakening of the immune system and the development of autism (Gerber and Offit 456).

    With all this against it, it is reasonable to argue that vaccines are not a factor into the development of autism. It is highly unfortunate, therefore, that so many people bought into this and other similar theories and refused any further vaccinations. In particular, the erroneous report from The Lanset that the combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine could induce autism was highly influential across the western world, and has been directly linked to several serious outbreaks of these diseases within the past decade (Alazraki). Pediatrician Rahul Parikh once related his experience with a measles outbreak that resulted: “A child whose parents refused to vaccinate him traveled to Europe and brought home the measles. That family exposed 839 people, resulting in 11 additional cases of measles. One child too young to be vaccinated had to be hospitalized. Forty-eight children too young to be vaccinated had to be quarantined….” (“Make anti-vaccine parents pay”).

    The amount of damage caused by anti-vaccine paranoia is undeniable, and seeing that it is both unsafe and unsound, parents should be highly discouraged from supporting it. Pseudoscientific theories such as this one may provide convenient answers for one’s questions, but they are nothing but a blight on the medical world.

    Sources Used –
    1. Plotkin S, Orenstein W, Offit P. Vaccines, 5th ed. Saunders, 2008. http://books.google.com/books?id=BFQq2-fIAJ8C
    2. Hilton S, Petticrew M, Hunt K (2006). “‘Combined vaccines are like a sudden onslaught to the body’s immune system': parental concerns about vaccine ‘overload’ and ‘immune-vulnerability'”. Vaccine 24 (20). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16581162
    3. Heininger U (2006). “An internet-based survey on parental attitudes towards immunization”. Vaccine 24 (37–39). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16784799
    4. Willingham, Emily (29 March 2013). “Vaccines Not Linked To Autism. Again.”. Forbes. http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/03/29/vaccines-not-linked-to-autism-again/
    5. Murphy TF (1996). “Branhamella catarrhalis: epidemiology, surface antigenic structure, and immune response”. Microbiol Rev 60 (2). http://iai.asm.org/cgi/reprint/9/6/1028.pdf
    6. Miller E, Andrews N, Waight P, Taylor B (2003). “Bacterial infections, immune overload, and MMR vaccine”. Arch Dis Child 88 (3). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1719482
    7. Gerber JS, Offit PA (2009). “Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses”. Clin Infect Dis 48 (4). http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/596476
    8. Alazraki, Molly (12 January 2011). “The Autism Vaccine Fraud: Dr. Wakefield’s Costly Lie to Society”. AOL Money and Finance: Daily Finance. http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/autism-vaccine-fraud-wakefield-cost-money-deaths/19793484/
    9. Rahul Parikh, “Make anti-vaccine parents pay higher premiums”, CNN 20 January 2011. http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-20/opinion/parikh.childhood.immunizations_1_autism-and-vaccines-andrew-wakefield-anti-vaccine?_s=PM:OPINION

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    • Very good and sound analysis. Bottom line, there is no proof linking vaccine and autism, in fact, there is lots of proof that they are not linked.
      As well, this is a badly written article, turning facts and truth around to continue to promote bad, bad science. Whatever reasons the court gave for coming to this conclusion will make no sense. The only information and so-called study done that ever supposedly linke the MMM vaccine with autism (published and then RETRACTED by the Lancet) was proved, without any doubt, to be a huge hoax created by Dr. Wakefield and the people who paid him to “prove vaccines cause autism”. He was paid from “the legal aid fund to doctors and scientists who had been recruited to support a now failed lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers.” Got that?
      Andrew Wakefield was paid from “the legal aid fund to doctors and scientists who had been recruited to support a now failed lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers.” He was paid to create evidence to show that vaccines didn’t work; he was not doing this for kids.
      And Wakefield never proved it, in fact, when the very small study of 12 children was looked at in depth, it was clear there was no proof to link the vaccine to the children’s disabilities, in fact, just the opposite. It was all a fraud.
      Why is it people who are knee-jerk against vaccines never look at the big payment he received to create fraudulent results? There is not about science, not about people’s health, this is solely about feeding into people’s fears and the anti-vaccine group and the huge market in “natural” vaccine goods; which do not act as good vaccines.
      However, this travesty is just what we need if we want to lower population numbers. There is lots of good science, verifiable repeatable that proof that vaccines have nothing to do with autism.
      However, if you want epidemics that cause deaths and major health problems and far more disabilities in far more children of all ages, then, yes, stop vaccinating and wait, the horrible results will prove, after all the damage and death, how wrong all this ignorant fear-mongering is. Shall we go back to the days of epidemics? No matter what reason the court gave and whoever thinks this is true, or good, people have to study science, history and all the research that proves, time and time and time again, that the MMM Vaccine is not linked in any way to autism but saves lives and cuts down on disabilities in children.

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      • I asked my doctor if 1 in every 10,000 is retarded from EACH vaccine. He confirmed this, (I was shocked he KNEW)

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    • I had measles as a 6-year-old in Pasadena, California. It’s my understanding that when someone catches these diseases, it creates an immunity to them in the future. No need, therefore, to have to have a vaccine. I am now 70-years-old and healthy instead of autistic as my 17-year-old grandson is from being forced to have dozens if not more vaccines. He was diagnosed with Pervasive Developmental Disorder at age 2, and now has Aspergers Syndrome.

      Frankly, I am fed up with this rubbish that Peter Freeman is disseminating. It seems obvious that he is promoting the pharmaceutical line to people reading these comments.

      The Italian court is right. I hope that parents who see this who have an autistic child sue the pants off the pharmaceutical industry. Trouble is, the laws have been changed so that they cannot be held liable in the United States because Congress knows that vaccines are part of the agenda of the Illuminati’s desire to dramatically reduce world population, and this is just one of numerous ways in which to achieve that. Autism aside, babies have died from having these vaccinations.

      In conclusion, Peter Freeman stated that children have died because they have not had their vaccinations, but he fails to document his statement because he can’t document it.

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    • Marc

      Even people with autism can be wrong, in fact the extreme left brain is at very high risk for believing the mainstream crap.
      Read The Autism Revolution.
      Many people have the truth living inside their own bodies

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    • laurie

      Nice coaching Peter!

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    • Dawn Baggett

      This paper is not accurate. The reference to “there are no studies that show . . . ” is not evidence. The statement that the number of antigens in vaccines has decreased fails to mention that the number of vaccines recommended by the medical authorities has increased tremendously in that same time period regardless of antigens in individual vaccines. That’s like saying because diet Coke has fewer calories I will drink 20 of them instead of one a and be healthy. The ability to blindly mimic what the “experts” tell you and not think for yourself, or do further research or even look at the evidence around you is not a good quality.

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      • BojanD

        So because there are not studies showing that eating potatoes cause bad dreams, then eating potatoes cause bad dreams. This is really a pure fallacy and it even has a name, Russel’s teapot.

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    • Annie

      How proud you must be of your ‘autistic child’. My child was effected by vaccination and the consequential and registered reaction of autism, retardation and epilepsy he suffers, leaves him barely able to write his name at 19. You can’t deny his existence just so you can campaign for vaccines! Maybe vaccines wipe out disease, maybe they don’t, but you can’t deny they ruin peoples lives, that’s just plain ludicrous!

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    • Joe

      Your DAUGHTER needs to learn to source her material better. #1, 2, 3,4,7,8 and 9 are all opinion pieces. #5 states it is 17 years old, but the link and any subsequent search shows it to be from 1974. #6 is a survey study based on about 400 cases. The study was sponsored (given funds to gather research) by Wyeth Lederle, GlaxoSmith Kline, Chiron, and Baxter, all pharmaceutical companies. This represents potential bias, to say the least. You can throw around words like “pseudoscientific” all you want, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say, and you really have none using these links.

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      • BojanD

        =#6 is a survey study based on about 400 cases.=
        Impressed or not? How impressed were you then with original Wakefield findings, that staged a mighty …. 12 cases?!

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        • Joe

          Again, Wakefield’s study called for a potential connection and asked for more studies, but that is a straw man. The point I was making is the study listed was retroactive over an expanse of several decades. And I notice you didn’t comment on the fact it was sponsored by Pharmaceutical companies, which implies you know it would be a conflict of interest, as so many have accused Wakefield of being guilty. Also, the study listed in #5 was originally done in 1974 and listed on the citation as being from 1996. As far as opinion pieces, they are just that. They are papers based on other peoples work, and in several cases the work or studies are not cited.

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          • BojanD

            It is well known that studies sponsored by pharma contain bias. Hell, even science-base medicine write about it, you know, the source you don’t like.

            What you are ignoring – deliberately, most probably – is how we know they are biased. Because they are compared to independent studies. And since there are also independent studies on vaccine – autism link, we know there’s no bias there. Or are you implying that there are no independent studies on this isssue?

            But you basic point was kind of right: his daughter could pick a better study. But compare this to Joe Martino’s 28 studies claim and Ryan’s dubious citing, this is really a minor point.

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      • BojanD

        Opinion pieces? What do you exactly mean by that? Lots of these are from pubmed (in contrast, you didn’t scold Ryan for citing less-than-satisfactory studies in his own piece nor Joe for citing dubious studies that were supposed to confirm Wakefield’s contested finding).

        And who exactly claimed that #5 is 17 years old? Freeman’s daughter didn’t. In short, you’re just deceiving the readership here.

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        • Ryan

          @ BojanD. Can you please try to come back with a reply that makes sense? Your statement about me focussing on MMR and then polysorbate is ridiculous. If you would have read everything that I have posted you would see that I have not focussed on either but only highlighted them in various comments. It’s your comments that lack validity, citation and research. You have no grounds with which to stand on. Please tell me where your experience in the field comes from. Have you performed autism therapy? I have. Do you have a degree in psychology? I do. Have you spent years studying autism and nutrition? I have. Do you keep up to date with actual research or do you just follow the news? Well, I keep up with it. Why don’t you search for my most recent posts. Here, I’ll make it easy for you since I know that you won’t take the time to search. Here are some links from autism.com with presentations given by actual scientists. I know that you would prefer some journalist from Fox news to summarize the issue for you but hey, I’ll go out on a limb here and give you the benefit of the doubt. If you take the time to listen to just 2 of these presentations you might learn something:

          http://www.autism.com/index.php/video/view/redox-signaling-in-the-brain-and-immune-system-effects-of-casein-and-gluten/mp3

          http://www.autism.com/index.php/video/view/understanding-the-gut-and-how-it-affects-the-brain/mp3

          Here again, I am showing you that there is more to it than just a single additive even though you somehow think I am only focussing on mercury and polysorbate. What I am desperately trying to get you to understand is that toxicity is the culprit and vaccines have a lot of toxins in them plain and simple. Some people are more vulnerable due to genetic predisposition or poor diets or both.

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          • BojanD

            = Please tell me where your experience in the field comes from. Have you performed autism therapy? I have. Do you have a degree in psychology? I do. Have you spent years studying autism and nutrition? I have. Do you keep up to date with actual research or do you just follow the news? Well, I keep up with it.=

            I haven’t countered your thoughts on autism. I only had issues on your innuendos that vaccines cause autism.

            =What I am desperately trying to get you to understand is that toxicity is the culprit and vaccines have a lot of toxins in them plain and simple. Some people are more vulnerable due to genetic predisposition or poor diets or both.=
            Since you picked (and not focused on) two examples, I just gave you counterexamples that those two dangerously-sounding compounds are also found in food in much greater concentration. So if somebody is more vulnerable to them, that will probably be found out before vaccination. Like I said, I’m prepared to turn to other specific examples. You just name them; don’t hide under ‘look at all those toxins in vaccines, they got to be dangerous, right?’.

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    • Joe

      Your DAUGHTER needs to learn to source her material better. #1, 2, 3,4,7,8 and 9 are all opinion pieces. #5 states it is 17 years old, but the link and any subsequent search shows it to be from 1974. #6 is a survey study based on about 400 cases. The study was sponsored (given funds to gather research) by Wyeth Lederle, GlaxoSmith Kline, Chiron, and Baxter, all pharmaceutical companies. This represents potential bias, to say the least. You can throw around words like “pseudoscientific” all you want, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say, and you really have none using these links.

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      • Peter Freeman

        I(‘d say it is a pretty good paper for a 15 yr old. A 15 yr old that just got a 33 on the ACT!

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        • Candace

          sounds to me like something her father wrote,

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        • Joe

          She still got her sources wrong. And if you are her father and are concerned about her thinking clearly, you could have checked the sources, which you obviously did not. By the way, I didn’t say it was a bad paper. Nice straw man, Peter. But, as Vincent mentioned, people get emotional when they try and think

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    • Ryan

      There is much debate these days about vaccines. It has become quite the heated subject and you hear all types or erroneous arguments such as ‘your unvaccinated child is a danger to mine because he may carry some illness…’ Let’s look at just how ridiculous that statement is. If your child has been given his almighty vaccinations then what do you need to worry about? Your child supposedly cannot catch the illnesses that they were vaccinated against so it is a non issue. So I don’t understand what the fear mongering is about (well I do but that will be touched on later). Yes, we may see a rise in some illnesses but at least we don’t have generations of children who are so developmentally delayed that we must spend billions annually ( http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/facts-about-autism ) treating an illness that cannot be cured. Since the 90’s growing numbers of parents have been choosing to avoid vaccination. Since then we have really only seen a rise in pertussis locally and this is only because of immigration from areas where these illnesses are more common. But I digress. I don’t want to take up much of your time reading my rant as I have some links that you must read.

      Recent studies done in Germany, New Zealand and elsewhere as well as court cases around the world are coming out to say that there most definitely IS a link between vaccination and autism as well as many other illnesses. You see, in order for a vaccine to be preserved and for it to take effect in your body they must fill it with all types of chemicals including some that are proven and well known to cause brain damage or other ailments such as sterility and cancer. This link is will give you the common ingredients: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaccine_ingredients
      It’s pretty disgusting and I would venture to say that none of you would drink such a concoction of aluminum, formaldehyde, bovine extract, thimerosol (mercury based) and polysorbate 80 (proven to cause sterility). Some of these ingredients are there to act as preservatives (which themselves are highly toxic by nature as they are used to halt the growth anything) while others are there to break down your immune system so that they virus can take enough of a hold in your body to get your body to produce antibodies and others are there to hyper stimulate your immune system but this I am not convinced of. While this is logical it most definitely is not safe particularly when the amount of injections have increased to over 50 doses of 14 different vaccines!!! That is A LOT of highly toxic substance being injected into small children. It was a fraction of that 30 years ago. Combine this with the toxic overload that we are surrounded by in modern day life, the lack of proper nutrition and lack of breastfeeding and you have exponentially increased likelihoods of developmental delays.

      The numbers are increasing DRAMATICALLY. When I was in college it was 1 in 150 and that figure was from textbooks printed around 2002. In a report from the CDC completed in March of this year from data from 2008 the number has basically doubled and in 2008 we had 1 in 88. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6103.pdf And this is only for children at 8 years of age. This was a 23% increase from 2006. Yes, some of the increase can be attributed more awareness and thus more doctors diagnosing but this could not explain a 23% increase. BTW, the number in 2008 for just boys aged 8 years is 1 in 54!!! That is CRAZY! There is no reason that we should be seeing these numbers in the US naturally. It is painfully obvious that something is the cause.

      One of the more interesting things I read today about vaccines is that unvaccinated children are much less likely to suffer from a variety of illnesses. Look at the chart in this link:
      http://www.vaccineinjury.info/images/stories/ias1992study.pdf The findings are scientifically significant and show that vaccinated children are actually MORE susceptible to illness than unvaccinated children! This link is probably the best in regards to the findings:
      http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vaccinations-in-general/health-unvaccinated-children/survey-results-illnesses.html
      IF YOU DON’T WANT TO READ ALL OF THIS AT LEAST READ THE LINK ABOVE THESE CAPS. It covers most of the data.

      Let us consider the reason for our governments denial of a link between vaccines and autism. MONEY. LOBBYISTS. KICKBACKS. In 2009 the vaccine industry was valued at $24 billion and is expected to DOUBLE by 2016. That’s a lot of money. And as we all know money trumps the greater good in the minds of our politicians and many humans unfortunately. Here is a the link to that data: http://centerforvaccineethicsandpolicy.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/global-vaccines-revenues-projected-to-more-than-double-by-2016/ Some of this success is coming from the new vaccines which some states are actually making it law that you MUST vaccinate your child with despite the growing evidence that the vaccine can cause DEATH. Gardasil is being forced on female children and now there is talk of requiring boys to get the shot as well. This is extremely concerning. http://www.gardasilandunexplaineddeaths.com/ and http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/gardasil.html . 71 deaths have been associated with Gardasil yet the CDC still promotes it…
      Let us not forget that our doctors are also bribed to sell vaccines. Owen’s pediatrician asks every time and tells us that she is REQUIRED to. Other doctors take it to another level and will not see your child unless they are vaccinated. The CDC offers incentives to doctors to increase the rates of vaccinations through a program called AFIX: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/afix/index.html This does not include what the pharma companies do on their own to push doctors to push their drugs…

      The only way to combat the money is to bring it to court where if enough of the very many families affected by these vaccines could get together and end up costing the industry billions. In Italy a family won such a case recently: http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/italian-court-rules-that-mmr-vaccine-caused-autism/ The court decided that the vaccine was the cause. I hope that this re-ignites the debate about vaccine safety.

      We have not vaccinated Owen because we researched this before he was born and obviously we still research it today. In my time working with autism I spoke to parents about this. The most severe clients I had, the non-verbal ones, were verbal at one point and the parents attributed the decline to the vaccinations. I simply will not take the chance on Owen’s brain until safe vaccines are released. The only way to get these vaccines to be marketed is by refusing to use the current toxic ones. We are already seeing progress in this as most western nations have discontinued the use of mercury (thimerosol) in the vaccines but they still use aluminum which is arguably worse as well as the other ingredients you saw in the list. The poorer “developing” countries still get mercury laden vaccinations. However, if your child has a strong immune system they can fight off most disease with no help. Our immune systems are much more complex and effective at combating illness than medicine typically is. The problem is that most of us are so toxic that our immune systems are overworked and weakened. A Raw food diet devoid of processed “food” and beverage combined with exercise and exposure to surroundings without the use of antibiotics and hand sanitizer type products lead to a strong immune system. It also helps greatly to be in a non toxic environment far from industrial centers, factory farming and polluted water/soil. This is our next step as a family.

      Please don’t read this as me on a high horse or as me attacking you. We had it MUCH easier than you did as parents in regards to the information available to us. 30 years ago this information was either not available at all or very difficult to find. The age of the internet has allowed for us to have so much access to data that we were able to be very well informed prior to becoming parents. Thanks for taking the time to read this and I hope you have learned something from it. I put a lot of time into this today (my revenge for poor treatment at work). Feel free to send me any data that you have that either proves or disproves what I have sent to you. Please forward to anyone that might benefit from this. If you skipped the links please go back and open them. The data speaks for itself. I only added links to a small amount of the data that is out there in support of vaccine avoidance.

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      • Connie

        I am a mother of a 5 year old autistic boy who has received his vaccinations including MMR. I am also an aunt of a 7 year old autistic boy (my side of the family) who is completely nonverbal, hasn’t been successfully toilet trained and overall is showing some more regressive signs with behaviour. My son is higher on the spectrum (is verbal, has some social skills, has been toilet trained though needs prompting and an education assistant at school for daily function). My nephew also has had numerous GI issues, mulitple ear infections and viruses too numerous to count. My son (other than a few colds) has had only 2 ear infections (one age 2 the other age 4). Otherwise he is relatively healthy. My nephew’s mother (my brother’s ex wife) decided not vaccinate because she believed it would do more harm than good (her choice). Although I respect that some believe there may be a link, it doesn’t explain why autism is found in children who aren’t vaccinated. And if there is a link, why is my son who is vaccinated relatively more physically healthy and why is my nephew (non vaccianted) always suffering from throat and ear infections and also has lactose intolerance and other GI issues? As well a friend of mine with a son and daugther vaccinated her daughter but when her son came a year later decided she would not vaccinate. Her son is also autistic and was diagnosed at age 3. These are just two examples of people I know, but I’m willing to bet there is a lot more. I’m curious to know what the statistics are for the rates of autism in non vaccinated children.

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        • Having had 4 kids with constant ear infections from birth,(breastfed) every 3 weeks.(the last 3 kids NOT vac) I finally went to a Naturopath, who told me it was caused by Dairy products (Cows milk, yogurt, chocolate, cheese, ice cream) when I stopped those,(in my diet, + later in theirs) the ear infections stopped overnight. the same has happened in my grandkids, they have been brought up on Rice milk, very healthy, happy children.

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        • Dear Connie,

          Autism has always existed, just not to the degree that it does today. Several years ago, I looked at a chart of all the states in the USA. One state had no cases of autism. Now it has more than 100 if memory serves me. The other states had cases, but the number of autistic children has mushroomed. You may be able to google this chart so you can see for yourself.

          My daughter breast fed her son till he was 4-years-old. She attributes this to his being at the high end of the spectrum (Asperger’s Syndrome). He was diagnosed with PDD with Autistic tendencies at age 2 because one of her friends at church observed that his language skills were not developing appropriately for a child that age.

          You are certainly able to contact me off this comment page to obtain the contact information of two men, one of whom is a medical doctor in Toronto for the cures that they have developed.

          God bless

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          • Arlene; Just because there is no statistical evidence available doesn’t make it proof.. Medicine and science are ever evolving and they still do not have all the answers. Take AIDS for instance, this was rampant for many years prior to be being discovered, take Rock Hudson (pre- 1980’s movie star ) for example, he died of AIDS and it was only really identified in the early 80’s. Doesn’t mean it never existed, or that people didn’t die of it just because there are no statistics on it. There is new evidence about everything produced daily, and then years later it is disproved by something else. It was even on the news some years ago that hot dogs may be linked to cancer. I still eat them, no cancer yet lol There are new theories every day proved and disproved. Really, I don’t think we will ever really know truth in science or in the media. Statistics are not always accurate either and it can be based on subjective data, missing data, geographical influences e.t.c What do we do???? TO BE, OR NOT TO BE? That is lifes mystery lol

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        • Ryan

          @ Connie: There is a lack of research in that area. I understand your point and as I have stated there is not a single cause of autism. I am not saying that vaccinations cause autism. What I am saying is that vaccinations contribute greatly to toxic overload, particularly these days with the massive increases in number of shots given, and it is the toxic overload that causes developmental delays. It’s the additives that cause developmental delays not the antigens. I find it interesting that it is widely accepted that metals like mercury and aluminum can cause neurological damage on their own but when combined with formeldahyde, polysorbate 80 and others chemicals that somehow they become safe… So to sum it up one can land on the autism spectrum from toxicity not vaccines. Vaccines are highly toxic and thus contribute greatly to the accumulation of toxins in one’s system. There are also places in which people live that are highly toxic such as industrial centers, trucking routes, garbage dumps etc. Food can also be quite toxic depending on how much processed food one consumes and how many pesticides they ingest from non-organic produce. I will also agree that people can be born with a genetic predisposition to autism and those families with histories of developmental delays should do their best to avoid toxicity and strengthen their immune systems.

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      • BojanD

        Truth is annoying, huh? But what is the truth, what did Ryan write about?

        He starts with autism being a bad disease and that incidence is rising fast. Then he appeals to all those dangerously sounding chemicals in vaccines (they probably forgot dihydrogen monoxide). Then he quoted two studies that don’t look very credible that children that were not vaccinated are healthier than vaccinated children.

        Didn’t you notice he didn’t cite studies that prove a link between MRR and autism? No, he just assumed the link is real and continued from there.

        Then he goes for a big kill and appeals to some conspiracy theories. And that’s about it.

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        • Fara

          lol, just stop. You clearly overlooked the entire passage. If you don’t want to change your mind that’s fine, but don’t pretend you aren’t in denial

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          • BojanD

            In denial of what exactly? That dihydrogen monoxide is dangerous? /sarc

            =You clearly overlooked the entire passage=
            No, but I admit I didn’t read the whole passage. When I read a half of it and see that it’s all quackery or irrelevancies, then yes, I stop reading. Because:

            =So Ryan, unless I look at ALL the evidence of flat Earthers, I cannot really say they are wrong? It’s the same with your arguments. You have lots of very weak or/and irrelevant.=

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        • Ryan

          Really Bojan? Did you take the time to read all of my posts? From what you have stated you did not. I did not only cite 2 studies. Look again. Not only did I cite those but also went over the studies that the CDC uses as validation that there is no link. Why don’t you go and read those studies for yourself? I understand that unless you have a background in psychology you probably won’t know how to read them or what to look for but it couldn’t hurt to familiarize yourself.

          Are you trying to say that those “dangerously sounding chemicals in vaccines” are safe? I am not sure what you were getting at there… If you truly believe they are safe then don’t waste anyone else’s time with your replies as they would hold zero weight.

          I didn’t cite studies relating MMR because I am not of the school of thought that it was the MMR vaccine in particular that causes autism. I am not promoting Dr. Wakefield’s work either. I don’t need to. I believe in the toxic overload theory which would include the MMR vaccine. If you have any evidence to refute the toxic overload theory please do bring it up in a reply. But please do not waste my time if you do not have anything to back it up or if you have not read through my entire post.

          Re your accusation that I am promoting conspiracy theories, I am simply pointing out money trails and giving the readers an idea of why pharma or the government would do what they have done. Why is it that those records requests are persistently denied? Why would you believe that the pharmaceutical industry would not do everything that they could to protect the bread and butter of their industry (virtually mandatory vaccinations)? They make billions per year from one vaccine alone not to mention all of the others that are required these days… Can you imagine how much money that is? Every child in the developing world being mandated to receive over 20 shots over a short period of time… That is a ridiculous amount of money and something that the industry will do absolutely everything in their power to protect. Both pharma and the federal government have vested interests in proving that vaccines are safe. The government would stand to lose billions form lawsuits, millions from campaign contributions, and face from promoting the safety of something that is being shown to have caused one of the largest outbreaks of disease in history.

          Again, I appeal to you to reply with actual information rather than simply attacking me because you felt that you were trumped. Good luck with your studies. And while I may feel the strong urge to reply to you in argument I will not unless you have actual data to work with rather than simply calling me a conspiracy theorist.

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          • BojanD

            So Ryan, unless I look at ALL the evidence of flat Earthers, I cannot really say they are wrong? It’s the same with your arguments. You have lots of very weak or/and irrelevant. So show me some papers on toxic overload of polysorbate 80 (not sure why overload would be relevant to vaccines, anyway, maybe to food intake).

            =Here again you are focussing on only one toxin, polysorbate 80 much like your focus on the MMR vaccine previously.=
            So choose the toxin, supply papers on its dangers. Don’t just appeal to the dangerous names of the chemicals. That’s the whole idea behind dihydrogen monoxide satire.

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          • BojanD

            I was not attacking you, only the stuff you wrote. And you’re write, I didn’t read everything you wrote. I applied the same principle as I did to Joe’s 28 studies. I looked at five and saw I was being deceived (search for my posts on that issue to see the point I’m trying to make). It was more or less the same with your post. I read the majority of the first one and saw the same pattern.

            =Are you trying to say that those “dangerously sounding chemicals in vaccines” are safe? I am not sure what you were getting at there=
            Sure you don’t know because you didn’t even bother to check for details on the very same wikipedia. What about polysorbate 80? Why don’t you read the entry on this ingridient:
            =In Europe and America people eat about 100 mg of polysorbate 80 in foods per day. Influenza vaccines contain 25 μg of polysorbate 80 per dose.
            In general, polysorbate 80 is safe and well tolerated, although a small number of people may be sensitive to this substance, and it may be harmful to people with Crohn’s disease. Polysorbate 80 is not carcinogenic.=

            Oops! Deja vu all over again. Either you have good intentions and are ignorant or just plain intelectual dishonest. Of course you don’t want to check for facts. Why let facts get in a way of a well-nourished beliefs you so pain stakingly obtanied? I guess now I am attacking you.

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            • Ryan

              @ Bojan: You obviously are not understanding what toxic overload is. Polysorbate 80 is just one of the nasty ingredients and has been show to cause sterility. I don’t care if it is deemed”safe” because people ingest it daily without keeling over dead immediately. Those same people are lacking in fertility, becoming inflicted with various forms of cancer and heart disease. So go ahead and assume that it is safe because it doesn’t kill you immediately. That is your choice. By the way, only those eating processed foods are ingesting polysorbate 80. I choose to feed my family mainly real food in an attempt to avoid toxic overload.

              It’s quite ridiculous that you are not willing to read all of the studies particularly when you make claims about my intellect. Your accusation that I have not checked the facts is laughable considering your lack of effort. Here again you are focussing on only one toxin, polysorbate 80 much like your focus on the MMR vaccine previously. You are admitting that you are not willing to put for the effort to acquire a full picture. Would you mind telling me what you have researched outside of skimming the first two articles cited by those you are arguing with? I would like to know because if you are basing your argument on the information fed to you by the mainstream news media, word of mouth or simply your own assumptions then you are completely wasting everyone’s time and have absolutely no foundation with which to stand on. So until you put forth the time to actually look at the issue from more than one angle don’t come back here and continue to spout off ludicrous ideas about the safety of known toxins.

      • byrd

        Amazing post. Too bad it will be ignored by most… the truth is annoying ;)

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      • alison

        thank you very much for the detailed response Ryan

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      • Ryan

        And there’s more:
        More information is coming out. There is a lawsuit against the CDC claiming that they have falsified studies and have been trying to withhold evidence/documents linking vaccines to developmental delays. Brian Hooker PHD, a biochemist with a 13 yo autistic son, has been requesting through the Freedom of Info Act documents from the CDC pertaining to their “studies” on the dangers of vaccines. They’ve been stonewalling him for years now. Read this:
        “First, let me tell you about Julie Gerberding, the head of the CDC from 2002 through 2009. She was running things at CDC when Brian Hooker PhD began making his FOIA requests – and was being stonewalled. She was there for seven years.
        President Obama fired her as head of CDC in early 2009. Within just a few weeks Gerberding went from that $250,000 per year CDC salary to become the president of Merck’s Vaccine Division at an estimated salary of $2,500,000 per year.

        Hmmm, sound a bit fishy to you? Well it should. Hooker’s work is gaining momentum and with some luck he’ll acquire the data before it is completely destroyed. One must ask the question: Why would they deny this request year after year if they didn’t have something to hide?

        I urge you to reconsider vaccinating. If you truly feel that your child needs it then at the very least spread the vaccinations out to limit the amount of neurotoxins being injected into your child at any given time. Today’s vacine schedule is quite literally insane and very dangerous. Children are not getting a few shots like we did. They are now getting at least 12 vaccinations in a very short period of time. Some of those require multiple shots and some of those are now combined such as the DTaP. It amounts to around 26 shots by the age of 2. That’s a lot of toxic matter accumulation. When I was a child it went from 3 to 6 vaccinations. The rates of developmental delays have increased in line with the increases in number of vaccinations. Check out this report:
        An extremely detailed report produced by the the Staff of the Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness Committee on Government Reform United States House of Representatives:
        http://vaccines.procon.org/sourcefiles/Burton_Report.pdf
        It’s long but you can read the conclusions, summary and check out pages 46-50 for perspectives from scientists and doctors.

        Please don’t be fooled by the few poorly run studies that try to trick you into believing that vaccines are safe. Consider reading the actual studies for yourself.

        The first study of 6 that the CDC sites as proof of the safety of vaccines http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/112/3/604.full is totally weak. It doesn’t take into account the changes in diagnostic criteria during the periods of 1992 onward nor does it take into account that more doctors were becoming aware of autism and diagnosing as such whereas previously they were lumped in with Mental retardation or other disorders. MR is not a disorder that is treated in an OP setting so their data from 1970 to 1990 was flawed and probably did not capture the majority of autism cases. This also assumes that the only ingredient causing dev delays is thimerosol while we know that it’s the aluminum, formaldehyde and other toxins that also contribute to dev delays.

        The 2nd and 3rd “studies” are basically the same as the first: http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(03)00113-2/abstract and http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=197365 The same arguments that I used in the first can be used here.

        The 4th study: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/112/5/1039.full They found significant causal relationships btwn vaccines with thimerosol in data from one HMO but not the other. Due to the conflicting results they determined that there was no causal relationship. That sounds more like bad data than no correlation… If you read through the full study you’ll see that not only did they find significant correlation btwn vaccines and autism but also btwn vaccines and respiratory illnesses. Basically this study found a lot of correlations of illness and dev delay with vaccines but because some of their study’s results found no correlation in one of the 2 HMO’s they decided that they had to default to no correlation at all! This is why it is important to read the full article and not just abstracts and DEFINITELY not news headlines.

        The 5th study was yet another that simply looked at HMO data. Again, the data was weak and again found a causal relationship btwn vaccines and speech delay and or tics but claims that no other correlations were found. So here we have a study that goes against other studies that had also stated no correlation… http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/114/3/584.full

        The final study http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2010/09/13/peds.2010-0309.full.pdf+html and most recent one was more difficult to nitpick on. HOWEVER, it was funded by: a contract from the CDC to America’s Health Insurance Plans and via America’s Health Insurance Plans subcontracts to Abt Associates Inc. Again it is a study that looked at data from HMO (or MCO’s as they call them in this article). Not the most trustworthy study in my opinion. And hopefully Hooker’s FOIA requests will shed more light on this study.

        Let’s all keep in mind that thimerosol is not the only toxic ingredient in vaccines. And let’s also keep in mind that one’s susceptibility to illness is also dependent on the strength of their immune systems. This was not taken into consideration at great lengths in any of these studies. Children receiving vaccines in highly industrialized areas will be more susceptible than those in living in cleaner environments. Children who were breastfed will be less susceptible. The mother’s diet while pregnant and during nursing will have an impact. There are all types of environmental factors that were not controlled in any of these studies. None of them are actual experimental studies but rather are simply cohort studies looking at old data from insurance companies. These should not be considered the end all be all of the research into causes for autism. Autism is caused by toxin accumulation both in utero and post birth. I am not saying that vaccines are the only cause but they will definitely increase the chances of your child being born with a delay or at the very least will hold them back from reaching full potential. If you must vaccinate please do the research first and please consider avoiding some of them altogether. It also helps to space them out so that the amount of toxins rec;’d at any given time will be reduced and thus have less of an effect.

        One more point: Vaccines are BIG BUSINESS and are the bread and butter of the pharma industry. There is a lot of money being funneled into the campaigns and lobbying by these companies. Check out Merck’s campaign contribution and lobbying expenditures:
        http://influenceexplorer.com/organization/merck-co/36c8727519844d64ac27cdd78dc4600f
        Combined total of more than 8.5 million for a 1 year period! That’s a lot of influence… And yes, it’s going to both parties slightly favoring the republicans. Let us not forget that to those in power money is more important than your safety and well being. In all likelihood, those in power would like to keep the masses ignorant because an informed public is more difficult to manipulate. What better way to keep the public ignorant than injecting them with neuro-toxins and promoting poor diets.
        Finally, I didn’t put hour upon hour into this research and these emails to anger you, make you feel bad, rationalize my decision to protect Owen from vaccines or to get on my soapbox. My reason is that I genuinely care about all of you and your children and hope that you will make an informed decision when the time comes and possibly forward this information on to others

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        • There is a correlation between vaccine schedule and upticks in deaths attributed to SIDS in the US.

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        • Hi Ryan, I genuinely enjoyed reading your two posts. There is a cure for autism, though. I have two friends who have a cure. One is a doctor in Toronto who developed one as one of his children, a daughter, suffers from the low end of the spectrum. The other is on Long Island in NY who wrote me that the only one his cure didn’t work on is one who didn’t implement it. If you know of any who have a child with this disease, contact me off site, and I will provide you with these two men’s contact information.

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          • Please let me know. I am open to anything. I have a son who had big problems after vaccine, and diagnosed with autism. He has been taking different healthy supplements for years. He’s doing much better, but not “cured.” He’s older now.

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        • RobDeb

          Ryan, Thank you so much for your comments. I appreciate your information with links for those of us who want to dig deeper and I appreciate your honesty and your heart in this matter. This is such an explosive subject, yet you responded with grace. Some of the comments here are quite pathetic (like BojanD) as they are so filled with anger and hate. His true colors really do come out. We should all be concerned for our children in this day and age and you would think all of us would be wanting to find out what is behind this fast growing disease called Autism. I find the link of a healthy gut and immunizations to be fascinating and if you are going to immunize your child, spread them out as you say and also, find out the health of your child’s gut prior. Balancing out gut flora is an easy fix. Thank you again for your upstanding character!!

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          • BojanD

            =All comes down to money=
            So Helena, why do so many tests stopped when adverse effects of medicines are observed. Looks like not all comes down to money.

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          • BojanD

            =This is such an explosive subject, yet you responded with grace. Some of the comments here are quite pathetic (like BojanD) as they are so filled with anger and hate.=

            My response was only filled with anger. The enormous assumption on your side, however, was that this anger was pathetic. Why is anger pathetic if it is justified? Yes, I’m angry at scientific illiterates who choose internet to share their precious ignorance, packaging them with good intentions and supposedly good research. I gave everyone pointers on how to analyse his posts (and other’s too, just look at the claims about 28 studies; if anybody is pathetic there it is Joe Martino). Seems to me you just ignored those pointers.

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          • Helena

            If the link to Autism and the findings of Dr Wakefield were accepted by Governments, it would open the flood gates to everyone who feels their child has been affected by the MMR.
            Can you imagine the catastrophic effect it would have on the finances of the countries and the heads that would roll because the Governments would need their scapegoats?
            Its incomprehensible that they would ever allow this to happen, therefore Dr Wakefield will continue to be blamed and shunned for something he is trying to prevent.
            There are many books that back up his work in light of the ‘leaky gut syndrome’ he is not alone in his findings but he is being blamed which is devastating.
            All comes down to money.

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        • Lollie

          Thank you Ryan. Well said.

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        • sheryl Browne

          thank you for your time to pull all the data you had into a very informative post. Wish I had this information when I was trying to find a doctor to support and
          listen to me about my concerns with my two daughters…We were lucky, no reactions.

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    • april

      How did that child cause an outbreak if everybody has been vaccinated???

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      • byrd

        Finally. someone mentions this point.

        Also, if you and your loved ones are vaccinated, what are you worried about us for? You’re vaccinated, so you’re safe, right? Why are you worried about us??

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        • Justin

          I’m not worried about you…I’m worried about my 4 month old baby who is not old enough to have all his vaccinations yet.

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          • I’m worried about your 4 month old too because his/her dad is to ignorant to read the literature on what vaccinations do to people, especially infants.

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          • Rachele

            Keep the baby in the houe where he belongs. I get so annoyed seeing infants out at malls and restaurants. The world i filthy. Get a sitter if you have to go out.

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      • Linda

        A child does not receive their first MMR vaccination until the age of one year old. Therefore, there are children that were exposed to the measles prior to being vaccinated. The immunosuppressed children are also unable to be vaccinated, therefore they would be unprotected as well.

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        • In NEW ZEALAND, babies are vac at 6 WEEKS OLD.

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        • In NEW ZEALAND, they have lowered the age to start vaccinating, with the MMR, from 3 mths old, (30 yrs ago when my son was born) to 6 WEEKS OLD. My son had shots at 3 mths, 6 mths, 12 mths he had measles shot, 15 mths old he got measles. The vac didnt work.

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          • The reason the MMR is given at 15 months is that most babies are weaned from the breast at that point, and the vaccine should then work.

            There is ongoing research here to address this lack of efficacy during breast feeding.

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          • Vaccines against viruses are often cancelled out by mother’s passed on immunities. This conferred immunity lasts several weeks. A vaccine will not “take” during this time. In addition, breast feeding cancels out some vaccines notably the measles vaccine and the rotavirus vaccines.

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        • Linda, I have a theory that autism is the result of the buildup of mercury in the baby’s body, and that the MMR vaccination is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back. The reason why all children don’t acquire autism is because there is a duel factor, that being the genetic proclivity to it because of an allergy to either wheat and/or dairy.

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          • I also read that some children are able to expel the mercury from their systems, while others are not.

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            • Peter Freeman

              The preservative that used mercury were removed from the MMR vaccine over ten years ago. Any still on the shelf were gone long ago. You want to be concerned about Mercury? Look for silver fillings in people’s mouths. Guess what they are made out of!?! Guess how much Mercury is in that filling compared to the minute amount in a single vaccine injection!?!

              Everyone with a filling in their mouth must be a walking Autistic zombie!

        • Cjdarnall

          Funny that autism “experts” say that autism can be diagnosed as early as 8 months of age. Yet, the MMR vaccine series does not begin until 12 months of age. Which is just further proof that even the “experts” don’t really believe that MMR CAUSES autism. According even to the Autism Alliance, the cause of autism is that to be genetic. I’m certain that has to be hard for a lot of parents to hear because they simply don’t want to believe that there is no one to blame. But the sooner people stop pointing fingers in the wrong direction, the sooner more attention is paid in the right direction of finding ways to treat, cure or even prevent the disease. The distraction away from that is the biggest tragedy in all of this.

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          • IN NEW ZEALAND, MMR is started at 6 WEEKS OLD.

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          • How can autism be genetic, when in the 10 years between 1993 and 2003, the number of American schoolchildren with autism diagnoses increased by over 800%! Genetic problems don’t increase like that. That’s environmental. And if you have an autistic child, like I do, you know that it’s not possible to “miss” the symptoms. It’s pretty obvious.

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            • Peter Freeman

              When we grew up, Catherine, they didn’t have many diagnosis of children with Autism and those that were diagnosed were sent to an institution to spend the rest of their lives. But when you see those who were considered severely Autistic (withdrawn and no language) given intense sensory stimuli to keep them “connected” to the outside world. Given enough development of the foundations of the brain, a child becomes permanently connected and thrives. Temple Grandin comes to mind.

              The ones that were sent off, withered into the world in their mind.

              Today, we have kids who were called ADHD but have since slidden further down the spectrum into Aspergers. Then there are the ones who have been labeled as “retarded” but are actually Autistic. Then there are the other dignosis standards that are all going away and it will all be called ASD – Autism Spectrum Disorder as per DSM-V.

              The next reality is relationships. Aspies tend to seek out other Aspies in a relationship because there is a level of understanding that gives comfort. It is the same with any relationship. We seek out a partner who is a wounded as us. Now you have two genetic predispositions for high-functioning. This gives you two chances out of four to have same level Autism. But then you have one chance in four for a more NT child and then one that has more severe Autism.

              Mostly, we are more aware of Aspies as more Aspies reproduce and are successful in life (and not in prison!)

        • Good point Linda.

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      • Peter Freeman

        That’s just it, April, not everyone is vaccinated. We are the only modern industrialized nation in the world where the rate of vaccination is actually going down…thanks to this idiot, Wakefirel. While over 120,000 children died around the world from diseases Measles, Mumps, and Rhubella (mostly in third world countries), there are now deaths in this country from these diseases.

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        • byrd

          Wakefield was actually able to sue, successfully, for slander, or whatever it was, due to the false accusations made against him. He proved his case, hes juts killed in the media and his msg is murdered, because the powers that be want to keep that info hidden. Vaccines are hurting ppl. Diseases that you’ve mentioned were eradicated through better sanitation, not vaccines. You look at graphs, of every disease you’ll mention, and you’ll see that the disease was on its way out, pretty much always due to better sanitation, and then shortly after, a vaccine was introduced.
          Always, the disease was already on the decline when the vaccine was introduced.

          Really. Go look it up.

          I dont know if some form of vaccine may have been useful for certain shit, a long time ago? but they are certainly used now as a form of population control.
          You see Bill Gates pushing them hard, right? In thrid word countries.
          Go see what Bills dad was all about, in regards to eugenics. Thats all about culling the population. You think Bills agenda is any different? Youre crazy if u do.

          So, if u wanna deal in reality, you’ll recognize that Bill Gates Foundation supports population control, which is why theyre pushing vaccines in 3rd world countries. and those vaccines are reporting now to cause paralysis, and whatever else….. do you believe that Bill is actually a good guy, and decided to go directly against his dad, and push vaccines because they are good? Or do u think Bill is carrying on his fathers agenda, pushing population control agenda. Which is more logical to you.
          You must recognize that most ultra rich ppl are into population control. They love the idea of a ‘one world govt’, and less ppl on the earth…. less “bottom feeders”.
          are you that wishful and naive to think that Bill is seriously a good guy? A billionaire good guy, wanting to help brown ppl in Africa?? and Im the naive “conspiracy theorist”?

          Anyway, Ill repeat someone else’s point: if you are vaccinated, what are you worried about? Why are you worried about everyone else?

          Ill end by asking if you’ve actually ever looked at the ingredients list in vaccines. No. Seriously. The whole list.

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          • Keith

            Well, this post was enough for me… clearly alot of crazies on this site. PEACE

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      • Alison Hardy

        Cause vaccines DON’T WORK!

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        • My son was vaccinated at 12 mths old, and had a severe case of measles at 15 mths old. The vaccine DIDNT work.

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        • Pam

          Here in Washington State several children have been sickened and even died from the whooping cough virus. Why? Because so many parent have chosen to not vaccinate against this disease that they were convinced didn’t exist anymore and wasn’t that dangerous to begin with. Infants have died people! Even one death from a preventable disease is to many, especially if it is a child that you knew. And yes vaccines fade over time, so a thought for many parents, especially those in their late thirties, or forties, who are starting a family, update certain vaccinations before you become pregnant. It will actually be the best protection for the newborn.
          In my own family it is stunning to read the family Bible, my fathers parent lost an entire set of triplets, they were toddlers, in the early 1900’s to a disease that the present generation thinks is just a bad cough.

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        • carol

          if they didn’t work we would all be sick dumb dumb

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          • Kenneth

            If they do work – should I as an unvaccinated 25 yr old be sick with everything?

            Your logic lacks reason.

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        • Willis

          Alison Hardy: “Cause vaccines DON’T WORK!”

          Yep, that’s the only possible conclusion. You really nailed it. Deep fucking thinker, this Alison.

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          • Kenneth

            I’d be very interested in reading your attempt at attaching logic to the theory of herd immunity. I dare you.

            *Get’s popcorn ready*

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          • Joe

            She’s partially right. Although herd immunity can help, it can only work if vaccines work, and considering that in many cases they work less than 75% of the time — and in the flu’s case about 60% — even if everyone got vaccinated it wouldn’t necessarily mean they are protected. Also, almost all cases in California of the recent outbreak of Whooping Cough were in those who were vaccinated.

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    • - Collective Evolution

      I respect the fact that she wrote this, but to say there is no scientific data backing the danger of vaccines is a dangerously incorrect statement.

      • BojanD

        And of course she didn’t say exactly that. What I find impressing is that she cites studies that actually back up her claims. That’s something you should learn yourself, Joe, if I may refer to your dubious claim that 28 studies support Wakefield.

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        • I took the time to check into several of the studies. I see others making claims that the studies do not back up Wakefield’s work, they do. I am not sure if any of you are taking the time to read them given some of the comments here. I find this site to be rather good, I think it’s important we keep our handle on our emotions here thought. Makes us irrational at times.

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          • BojanD

            Read my reply there, Iynneshale.

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        • Ryan

          Hey Joe, I should have been more clear that I was hoping that Bojan, Peter and Willis would look at my previous comments. I am in agreement with you.

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          • - Collective Evolution

            It’s funny cause on my end I saw it was in reply to my post and as I was looking at the material I’m thinking, this is in agreement, but I am going to answer anyway just to make a point for the others lol
            Peace!

        • - Collective Evolution

          I cited 28 studies that back up my claim…

          • ALH

            It isn’t enough just to cite studies, you actually have to read them critically to determine if they are likely to be valid. It doesn’t seem like you have done that. Who cares if there are 28 studies or 28 million studies if they are all reached incorrect conclusions due to poor design, bias, or other problems.

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          • Ryan

            Have a look at my comments that I previously posted on this page as I have read the studies and have done the research and laid it out quite nicely for all to see. I also provided therapy to autistic children and have heard the stories first hand from many families. I’d like to hear what you have to say after you have read each link that I provided which includes the studies cited by the CDC as being their proof that there is no causal connection between autism and vaccines.

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            • - Collective Evolution

              After checking into some of the links it remains clear, just as before, that there is evidence to support both sides of the argument. For that reason I feel it is absolutely necessary for this information to be made public so that people can make an educated choice. In the end, choice is all I feel I am trying to allow people to have. Consider also, if we know that there are dangers, why not at least admit that and look for alternatives or at least make it very public information? It is like Aspartame, it provides no nutritional benefit and has a lot of dangers associated with it. Instead of arguing that it’s safe when there is a pile of evidence on both sides, why not just use a different product? It makes no sense to continue doing something that is dangerous and not provide information to people.

          • Willis

            Ha, you said it again! You are really tedious now. Firstly, you obviously haven’t read a single one of those studies. Let’s establish that right now, and I’d like to hear you man up and admit it. Secondly, you didn’t cite anything. You shilled for Mercola’s website. This is my first visit, and so I do have to ask: is the rest of Collective Evolution as grossly inept as you seem to be? More the shame for CE if so.

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          • Peter Freeman

            Look at BojanD’s comment a few posts above. He said the first 5 studies that he read do not back up Wakefields claim.

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          • BojanD

            A: “Wakefield was discredited”
            B: “Here is a list of 28 studies that support Wakefield”
            A: “Wait a minute! I checked first 5 studies and they don’t support Wakefields findings (at least the contested one). Did I have bad (or good) luck and should look further or are you blinding with science?
            B: “Here is a list of 28 studies that support Wakefield”

            How can you debate like that?

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            • - Collective Evolution

              Hey,

              I unfortunately am not able to check and answer every comment. We receive a couple million hits every month and keeping up is near impossible. I provide the data I find and build an article around, usually many other commenters go back and forth providing each other with various sources. It’s usually best to check out everything and see what works for you. In the end my inspiration behind writing on here is not to convince anyone of anything but to report on matters mainstream media refuses to report on. It gets us thinking differently and looking at both sides. It’s very important in my opinion.

              Peace

  3. Peter Freeman
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    • Oscar

      Science is nothing more than a long list of corrected mistakes. Get over it.

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      • Peter Freeman

        The mistake that MMR causes Autism has been corrected in the scientific field. Unfortunately, tyhe mistake is still being circulated by a researcher that is desperatly trying to save his tarnished career.

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        • Peter-You have it backwards. The powers-that-be are determined to discredit Dr. Wakefield to save their own skins. People such as Dr. Wakefield are always discredited because they tell the truth. As far as the scientific profession is concerned, so many microbiologists have been murdered that the profession as a whole bows to the powers-that-be because they realize that their own lives are on the line if they attempt to go up to those who control the whole world.

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          • BojanD

            You live in a phantasy world where nobody can prove you wrong. Because it they could, that would be proof that these powers-that-be are even more powerful than you thought.

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      • BojanD

        Looks science enabled you to write studid things on the net.

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  4. Mike P

    This the same Italian court that ruled that scientists were liable for being unable to predict an earthquake? Hah, what a kangaroo court.

    There is no debate about vaccines and autism, this question has already been answered.

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  5. Webster thesaurus

    The science is settled.
    Put away your cultures & microscopes.
    Return to the telescreen

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  6. Johnny

    Has there ever been a study linking autism to the increasing use of wireless devices?

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