Courts Rule MMR & Thimerosal Containing Vaccines Caused Autism & Brain Damage


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vaccine-autismAll information containing new and unprecedented conclusions begins by being violently opposed by those who create the prior information and those who subscribe heavily to it. This is very much the case with the link between Autism Spectrum Disorder and vaccines; mainly the MMR vaccine and other thimerosal containing vaccines.

It is clear that the stance from mainstream science is that there is no link between vaccines and autism. You can find more about that here. But for many people this does not dispel all concern. Dr. Hooker, PhD, PE says that the recent U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study on vaccines and autism is “perhaps the most flawed and disingenuous study” he has ever encountered.

Given the number of first hand cases that make their rounds stating that children are immediately affected by certain vaccines and parents are noticing something is ‘wrong’ suddenly with their child, it is easy to see why people are still concerned. In every vaccine and autism link article we have on CE, there are many comments from parents stating that they watched their child change within hours and days of getting certain vaccines. So is there truly reason to be concerned? Are we just paranoid? Or is there something we have not figured out completely yet?

Regardless of the droves of faithful people hanging onto every word the CDC gives them about the safety of vaccines, I think it is incredibly important that we look at all of the information that truly exists and make our own educated decision. Many claim it is dangerous to question vaccines and I have been threatened on many occasions for writing about it, but it isn’t going to take away the fact that people are being damaged by vaccines. That is a cold hard fact that every parent needs to know about before deciding to vaccinate their child.

The truth is, there have been several court cases where families have been granted damage pay-outs due to what vaccines and their ingredients have done to their children. The cases are directly linked to autism and brain damage. UPDATE:  I do feel that even if only a 51% majority in decision is needed, the cases are plaintiff vs. The Secretary of Human Services. If the statement that vaccines had no link to autism was completely factual, these people would not have a case against one entity that would surely have a lot of firepower around the issue. Regardless, their victory illustrates some important factors. In terms of the size of the cases, there are an estimated 5,000 additional cases still awaiting court dates. The reason why it’s much harder and why a class action lawsuit is not possible is because the government inserted a law to protect vaccine makes after they were being forced to pay out billions in damages to families. It came a point where enough was enough when it came to their loss in profit so the gov’t stepped in to assist, unfortunately this isn’t favorable for the people but only business.

Below I have supplied three links to court cases. Please take the time to check out each one to understand them further.
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/CAMPBELL-SMITH.MOJABI-PROFFER.12.13.2012.pdf

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/MORAN.LAWSON011211.pdf Link removed by USCFC website. Trying to locate new link.

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/CAMPBELLSMITH.%20DOE77082710.pdf Link removed by USCFC website. Trying to locate new link.

Is there more evidence linking vaccines to autism? Yes. While some studies exist to state that their is no link between vaccines and autism, I have found several that do show a link. Given the existence of these studies and their results, I think we need to truly examine whether or not vaccines are safe and if it makes sense for us to blindly follow what we are told to do when it comes to vaccines regardless of the dangers. I can already hear the comments that will come in from people stating the dangers of this post and that this is some conspiracy, but it is not. Realize that this is much more of a real and serious issue than many think.

Below is what I have come across in terms of studies thanks to the tireless research of people out there who care about uncovering the truth.

Viral / Immune studies:

Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism

Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella
(MMR) and MBP autoantibodies.

….over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component
thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.

Serological association of measles virus and human herpes virus-6 with brain auto-antibodies in autism

This study is the first to report an association between virus serology and brain autoantibody in autism; it supports the hypothesis that a virus-induced autoimmune response may play a causal role in autism

Hypothesis: conjugate vaccines may predispose children to autism spectrum disorders

Conjugate vaccines fundamentally change the manner in which the immune systems of infants and young children function by deviating their immune responses to the targeted carbohydrate antigens from a state of hypo-responsiveness to a robust B2 B cell mediated response.

This period of hypo-responsiveness to carbohydrate antigens coincides with the intense myelination process in infants and young children, and conjugate vaccines may have disrupted evolutionary forces that favored early brain development over the need to protect infants and young children from capsular bacteria.

Effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory symptoms among children
and adolescents in the United States.

The odds of having a history of asthma was twice as great among vaccinated subjects than among unvaccinated subjects  The odds of having had any allergy-related respiratory symptom in the past 12 months was 63% greater among vaccinated subjects than unvaccinated subjects  The associations between vaccination and subsequent allergies and symptoms were greatest among children aged 5 through 10 years.

Neurological Complications of Pertussis Immunization

Review is made of 107 cases of neurological complications of pertussis inoculation reported in the literature. The early onset of neurological symptoms was characteristic, with changes of consciousness and convulsions as the most striking features. The question of aetiology is considered and contraindications are discussed….as is the grave danger of further inoculations when a previous one has produced any suggestion of a neurological reaction.

Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002.

Findings suggest that U.S. male neonates vaccinated with the hepatitis B vaccine prior to 1999 (from vaccination record) had a threefold higher risk for parental report of autism diagnosis compared to boys not vaccinated as neonates during that same time period. Nonwhite boys bore a greater risk.

Aluminum Studies:

Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?

Our results show that: (i) children from countries with the highest ASD prevalence appear to have the highest exposure to Al from vaccines; (ii) the increase in exposure to Al adjuvants significantly correlates with the increase in ASD prevalence in the United States observed over the last two decades;

and (iii) a significant correlation exists between the amounts of Al administered to preschool children and the current prevalence of ASD in seven Western
countries, particularly at 3-4 months of age.

Aluminum hydroxide injections lead to motor deficits and motor neuron degeneration.

…A second series of experiments was conducted on mice injected with six doses of aluminum hydroxide. Behavioural analyses in these mice revealed
significant impairments in a number of motor functions as well as diminished spatial memory capacity.

Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants: Are they Safe?

Experimental research, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences.  click for entire study

Thimerosal studies:

Integrating experimental (in vitro and in vivo) neurotoxicity studies of low-dose thimerosal relevant to vaccines.

There is a need to interpret neurotoxic studies to help deal with uncertainties surrounding pregnant mothers, newborns and young children who must receive repeated doses of Thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs).

Information extracted from studies indicates that: (a) activity of low doses of Thimerosal against isolated human and animal brain cells was found in all studies and is consistent with Hg neurotoxicity; (b) the neurotoxic effect of ethylmercury has not been studied with co-occurring adjuvant-Al in TCVs; (c) animal studies have shown that exposure to Thimerosal-Hg can lead to accumulation of inorganic Hg in brain, and that (d) doses relevant to TCV exposure possess the potential to affect human neuro-development.

Neurodevelopmental disorders following thimerosal-containing childhood immunizations: a follow-up analysis.

“The present study provides additional epidemiological evidence supporting previous epidemiological, clinical and experimental evidence that administration of thimerosal-containing vaccines in the United States resulted in a significant number of children developing NDs.”

Neonatal administration of thimerosal causes persistent changes in mu opioid receptors in the rat brain

“These data document that exposure to thimerosal during early postnatal life produces lasting alterations in the densities of brain opioid receptors along with other neuropathological changes, which may disturb brain development.”

Persistent behavioral impairments and alterations of brain dopamine system after early postnatal administration of thimerosal in rats.

“These data document that early postnatal THIM administration causes lasting neurobehavioral impairments and neurochemical alterations in the brain, dependent on dose and sex. If similar changes occur in THIM/mercurial-exposed children, they could contribute do neurodevelopmental disorders.”

Maternal Thimerosal Exposure Results in Aberrant Cerebellar Oxidative Stress, Thyroid Hormone Metabolism, and Motor Behavior
in Rat Pups; Sex- and Strain-Dependent Effects.

Thimerosal exposure also resulted in a significant increase in cerebellar levels of the oxidative stress marker 3-nitrotyrosine…. This coincided with an increased (47.0%) expression of a gene negatively regulated by T3,… Our data thus demonstrate a negative neurodevelopmental impact of perinatal thimerosal exposure.

Administration of thimerosal to infant rats increases overflow of glutamate and aspartate in the prefrontal cortex: protective role of
dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate.

Thimerosal, a mercury-containing vaccine preservative, is a suspected factor in the etiology of neurodevelopmental disorders. We previously showed that its administration to infant rats causes behavioral, neurochemical and neuropathological abnormalities similar to those present in autism.

 

Sources:
http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/can-we-trust-the-cdc-claim-that-there-is-no-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/
http://www.regardingcaroline.com/pubmed
http://www.jpeds.com/content/JPEDSDeStefano


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  1. Gibby

    Here is another example of the dangers of giving children vaccine without knowing all of the effects it can have on a brain that is still under development http://www.thelocal.se/46950/20130326/

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    • Martin

      Problem is, vaccines do not cause autism.

      Contrary to what the author seems to think, there are not “a lot” of studies showing the link. Quite the opposite. The overwhelming amount of data shows no link.

      http://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/Yet-Another-Study-Finds-No-Vaccine-Autism-Link

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    • Tyler Burger

      The Amish do not get autism, they also don’t get vaccines either.. hmm i wonder why they don’t get autism

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      • Martin

        The Amish do get autism.

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      • That’s not true. At all. The Amish do get autism and the incidents have been steadily rising within Amish communities in the past 20 years.

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        • Lila

          Perhaps it’s because the Amish only started vaccinating in the last 20 years?

          I allowed the hospital to vaccinate my newborn son with the Hep B vaccine in 97. It was one of the most stupid things I’ve ever done. Not only is a newborn or even young child NOT at risk for contracting Hep B, that batch was pulled due to too much Thimerosal in it. They forgot to adjust the level for infant doses. My son was dx’d as autistic at 2 yrs old, but somehow came out of it by age 5…Thank god. I will never know of course what caused him to not progress as he should have…but I certainly will always ? that batch of vaccine. He is now above average intelligence and totally ok as far as I can tell. I tell young pregnant moms not to allow brand new babies to get vaccinated for it. There is no need for that one. Babies aren’t IV drug users or having sex for gods sake.

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          • Jody

            thanks for posting Lila. I have chosen not to vaccinate my daughter at all because it scares me so much, she is 5 months old now and never had any. I wonder, did you then get the whole schedule of vaccinations up until 12 months old since you didn’t find out until he was 2 years? Thanks :)

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          • Peter

            If you worked with Autistic children, age 2 is about the average age the symptoms show up and 5 is the average age when many symptoms “go away.” This is true for both vaccinated and unvaccinated children with Autism

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      • trevor

        what an absolutely absurd statement.

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        • Trevor,

          By saying “what an absolutely absurd statement” I assume you mean it is factually incorrect? Can you be more specific as to what exactly is “absurd”?

          There is a mountain of evidence proving that the Amish DO vaccinate their children and they do see autism in their population.

          So what is incorrect that I have writen?

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          • @Dana,
            Nice try. No that’s not what I’m saying or implying. I’m simply saying that the Amish DO vaccinate their children and they do see autism in their population. Correlation does not mean causation. The antivaxers love to point to the Amish and claim “see, they don’t vaccinate AND their children don’t have autism. Neither of these statements is true.

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          • Dana

            So what you are implying is that Amish children do get vaccinations and the vaccinations may be causing autism?

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      • Tyler Burger,
        Please don’t spread lies and misinformation like this. The Amish most definately do vaccinate. This lie was started on where else “Age of Autism”.

        http://autism.about.com/b/2008/04/23/do-the-amish-vaccinate-indeed-they-do-and-their-autism-rates-may-be-lower.htm

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      • Tyler Burger,
        It is absolutely wrong that the Amish don’t vaccinate their children. It is also wrong that the Amish don’t have any insidents of aitism. A doctor that runs weekly vaccination clinics for Amish children had this to say.

        “The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue,” says Dr. Kevin Strauss, MD, a pediatrician at the CSC. “We run a weekly vaccination clinic and it’s very busy.” He says Amish vaccinations rates are lower than the general population’s, but younger Amish are more likely to be vaccinated than older generations.

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      • Peter

        Amish only marry withing their own. Since it is genetic, the gene is not withing their group. It is called inbreeding. But the Amish have their own health issues because of this.

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  2. Jj

    *there

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  3. Diane

    Thanks for sharing the truth Joe! People need to realize that most doctors are more concerned about making money these days and not the long term well being of their patients. It makes more sense to live a healthy life than it does to inject toxic vaccines on purpose, some of which render recipients contagious to others through shedding thereby defeating the purpose and spreading the illness to others.

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    • Martin

      The truth?

      The vaccine court specifically ruled that vaccines did not cause autism.

      Encephalitis is not autism, nor does it cause autism. The awards were for encephalitis.

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    • jwil

      Doctors are mostly well intended and doing what they were taught is in the best interest of the public health. The drug companies are the ones who benefit by far the most from vaccines, and they are also the ones publishing the studies that doctors are required to memorize on the benefits of all medications to people. The other thing to remember about doctors is that they must stay in the “standard of care” in their treatment of patients (which is set by industry….which is steered by, you guessed it! Big Pharma) or expose themselves to malpractice lawsuits that they will be defenseless against. Their hands are tied and they can’t think outside the box. I’m married to a physician and I’ve seen it time and again. Be careful about throwing stones where you aren’t completely informed.

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      • Peter

        Think about your logic. If it was all about profits, why not just let everyone get sick? Rather than a small number that do have a reaction to vaccines, lets have an epidemic! Then they can make REAL profits off the sick people!

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        • Probably because there wouldn’t be enough doctors to treat even the tip of the iceberg… Like your logic makes sense…

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          • Jody

            Brett you are probably right lol, it would be chaos!

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    • trill

      Most doctors don’t get paid to give vaccines, except in the US where you guys have to pay for EVERYTHING.

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    • Diane,
      So let me get this straight,You think that the evil, greedy, uncaring pediatricians only care about making money from selling vaccinations? So just how do these children’s doctors make money from selling vaccines? It’s the pharmaceutical companies that charge (usually the insurence company) for the vaccines. Oh and as for the evil pharms who sell the vaccines? Well there are only a couple of companies that even manafacture vaccines and the over all profits from the sale of vaccines accounts for only 1.5% of the total income from different drugd. Vaccines are NOT be money makers like say Viagra or the statins. If the pharms and doctors REALLY didn’t care about the patients and only wanted to make money they would just let kids contract these awful diseases. Which brings in more income a $20.00 vaccine or a month in the hospital in the ICU on a ventilator?

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      • Kelsu

        It’s not the $20 shot but the lifetime economic impact of an autistic child on society, on the parents, etc.

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      • Kate

        Thank you Susan. You give me hope for mankind.

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    • Enrique

      Diane: Do you really think that most doctors are more concerned about making money rather than the long term well being of their patients?
      Do you think that doctor’s kids do not get the MMR at 15 months?
      If I wanted to make money I would have been an attorney, or a businessman…It’s people like you that make such comments that makes you look so ignorant.
      Just for the record: I gave my daughter the MMR at 15 months of age and also did the same for my three grandchildren. I am a Board Certified Pediatrician and has been in practice for 34 years.

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      • Dana

        Would you sign this form Dr.? http://preventdisease.com/pdf/Warranty-of-Vaccine-Safety-English.pdf ,and if not, why not?

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        • John

          Of course she couldn’t sign it and drops out of the conversation as soon as it’s brought up. Awesome! There’s your answer. I would love to know some doctor reactions to this form.

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        • Jody

          I have never vaccinated my 5 month old and don’t plan to, but this is really cool :)

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        • Dio

          That form is a joke. It has acknowledgements and acceptance of accountability statements with references to statistics. That alone makes it not legally binding and a form that only an imbecile would sign.

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          • Doesn’t really matter whether it’s legally binding or not, I don’t think that was the point… It’s all about honesty, and could potentially have some legal weight…

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        • simon

          Enrique, please answer Dana. I have a new born and am concerned that in general doctors are not paying enough attention and applying critical thinking in their work. I have read her link and this is the kind of accountability people at your pay grade should adhere to in my view. If you speak with the authority and get paid for that knowledge it can’t be too much to ask that you bind your name to it. Given your stated view, your answer here would be invaluable to me in making up my mind about whether the general medical profession simply paints by numbers or whether it does any real analysis in the interests of treating a single specific individual.

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    • Vivienne

      This is nonsense. Literally makes no sense. What money are doctors making in vaccinating? I’m married to one, and if I should be a millionaire, then I’m not. Secondly, shedding? Contagious to others? What are your sources? Again, nonsense

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      • Jody

        lol, Amy, Amy D, and Dana…you guys are hilarious!! most definitely agree with all of you 😉

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      • Dana

        ” I’m married to one, and if I should be a millionaire, then I’m not.” Sorry, come again please.

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      • Dana

        ” I’m married to one, and if I should be a millionaire, then I’m not.” Sorry, come again please.

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      • Amy D

        I don’t think doctors are making money off vaccines, but pharmaceutical companies are. It’s a business. I think their original intent is honest with the attempt to eradicate serious diseases, however, they haven’t been quite honest or forthcoming in their practices. I wouldn’t call this article nonsense. Since you’re husband is a doctor, you should know that practically all medicinal administrations can have adverse effects. Why is autism excluded?

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      • Amy

        Read the drug company inserts, shedding is mentioned in them for vaccines with a live virus. You and your doctor husband aren’t aware of this because doctors don’t take the time to learn about the drugs and vaccines they push. They just push.

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    • Heather

      My kids has had all her vaccines.. no autism or any behavioral or health issues, I myself had to have my entire shot record repeated as a child and I have no issues either, this is inflammatory has nothing to say about the positiveness of vaccines of which there are countless, by the way.. do you give your kid tylenol? motrin? aspirin? then you are taking their lives on your hands

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      • Jody

        Nope, I don’t give my daughter tylenol, motrin, or aspirin, nothing. Nor has she had any vaccinations. If she got a disease I would forever feel guilty, but until then…..a mother who decides to keep their child’s system clean of these toxins know we are taking a chance, as are you. I had all of my vaccinations personally and I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis when I was 2 years old and went into remission at 11. I am perfectly fine now but should probably be in a wheel chair, I had the best doctor ever. Anyways, it’s an auto-immune disease….so who really knows. My immune system was tampered with. My husband….perfectly healthy Marine Corp Vet was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes (he’s 5’10 and 165lbs, in shape!!) 6 years after getting out of the service, do you know how many things they make those people take? It’s so sad to me about that. that’s a whole other story…..back to what I was saying, who knows if all of those vax didn’t cause his AUTO IMMUNE DISEASE. just makes me wonder. thanks for your post though, it’s always good to hear about people who were vaccinated and are healthy and happy :)

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        • ju dith

          youtube.com/FkYGSGKI16Q
          shares 7 years familylife in 90 minutes with this problems
          it s meant to supportandiewakefields book about it what is not allowed to be edited in the UK

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      • Anonymous

        Asprin is actually a natural product..my daughter had the HPV shot and she is not the same…my son had the H1N1 shot and ended up getting it and he is not the same. You’re kids and yourself are extremely lucky, their are others who aren’t and have to live it.

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      • Amy

        Really?! Isn’t that a great argument! I’m sure when you eat peanuts, you are fine so the belief that peanuts could cause an allergic reaction is inflammatory also… or the death of those who have a reaction to antibiotics is an attack on pharmaceuticals… must I go on? People have a right to know the effects. Go get an education and try again!

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  4. Peter

    “While some studies exist to state that their is no link between vaccines and autism, I have found several that do show a link.”

    No, there are many more studies that show there is no link than there are that do. Yes, there is some risk with vaccines. There are risks with all medical procedures. But the risks to some outweigh the dangers of the disease they protect from, to the many.

    You keep saying court cases prove science. That is the fallacy of your argument. And you keep putting it out there. You are not a journalist. You are a “shock” pulp fiction writer. I pray for those who are injured because of you.

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    • Jody

      Peter….it doesn’t matter this number or that. It doesn’t matter if it’s 1 in 100…the link is there. Admit it.

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      • Peter

        There is a group of over 20,000 researchers that review the scholarly studies and report the findings. They do this for free so there is no money that may corrupt them. This group is called th Cochrane Collaboration. I looked through their over 8,000 studies and found the one on MMR. Here is their conclusion:

        “Exposure to the MMR vaccine was unlikely to be associated with autism, asthma, leukaemia, hay fever, type 1 diabetes, gait disturbance, Crohn’s disease, demyelinating diseases, bacterial or viral infections. – See more at: http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD004407/using-the-combined-vaccine-for-protection-of-children-against-measles-mumps-and-rubella#sthash.bLDUiMLH.dpuf

        So, Jody, they could not find the link you speak of. Some studies are flawed and come up with wrong results. The “one” you are focusing on was one of the flawed research result.

        I pray you don’t learn the hard way about the dangers of diseases. Two of my kids went through measles and it was horrible and they have the scars on their face as a constant reminder of what they went through.

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    • Katie

      Thank you, Peter!

      It’s sad to think so many people are fooled into thinking vaccines cause their child to have Autism. As a special educator, I have personally known 2 different families over the years who DID NOT vaccinate any of their kids and have a child with Autism *gasp*. One family has 3 children, only one with ASD. The other has 2 children, only one with ASD. Maybe these believers of evil vaccinations assume it was slipped to both of these kids somehow? Wake up people!! Vaccines are not the cause of Autism.

      Autism is usually diagnosed around age 3, which coincidentally is the age they get the shots. Does that mean they caused it? NO!! It’s just at that age, people start noticing delays and abnormalities compared to other children of the same age. With that being said, children with SEVERE Autism can show undeniable signs of ASD before that age and before they ever receive the vaccine! Where did these kids “contract” it?

      All these sheep who think vaccines are the devil, I pray for your children. I pray they don’t contract any deadly disease that could have been prevented with a simple vaccine.

      Like Peter stated above, “Yes, there is some risk with vaccines. There are risks with all medical procedures. But the risks to some outweigh the dangers of the disease they protect from, to the many.”

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      • Thanks for your comments katie.

        I never got to know my Father. Why? Because in the U.S. in the 50’s there was a horrible, massive, Polio epidemic! My father was 26 year old 6’3″ 190 lb. healthy police officer when he like thousands of others was stricken down with Polio. He spent 1 year mostly flat on his back in an iron lung that helped him to breathe. When he died after a year he was covered in deep bed sores and weighed 80 lbs. Back then this story was repeated over and over.

        People were afraid to leave their homes for fear they’d become infected.

        Then the vaccine was invented!! People were so grateful this vaccine that it would be hard to describe the level of joy and relief people felt. Since that time Polio infections dropped off precipitously to the non-existent state it is today.

        The majority of antivaxers weren’t around back then in “the bad old days” if they had been they wouldn’t be taking the position

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        • - Collective Evolution

          The efficacy of the Polio vaccine is not proven as Polio weened itself off prior to the vaccine. This is not a conspiracy, or some ill-guided facts, it is documented fact that Polio saw a severe natural decline before the vaccine came along. When the vaccine did come, Polio cases immediately shot up as the vaccine was injecting people with Polio. Currently, the vaccine seems to be the only recorded cause for Polio.

          • Mary Lynne

            Interesting dialogue back and forth. I think there is much to say on both sides of the argument and this might be one of those things we can’t answer for some time still. As the evidence shows, we don’t know fully what the answer, to say such would be incorrect. I think the article does a good job of that but that’s just my humble motherly opinion. I chose not to vaccinate 2 of my 3 children. While none of them were affected either way, I am glad I learned what I did before having my 2 other children as they are generally healthier than my eldest. Is this a good sample for proof? No, but it’s my story :)

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          • Joe,

            BTW that article on whaleto that you link to was written by a chiropractor! An effing chiropractor! Seriously? Don’t you see the problem? You seem to think it all boils down to which side has the most studies, articles, etc. You give no weight to the QUAILITY of the evidence! Where is the evidence coming from? A world class researcher/immunologist or a CHIROPRACTOR!?

            You do know that all you need is a pulse to get into chiro school don’t you? You don’t even have to be a college grad.

            Get a clue. Not all evidence is created equal.

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            • - Collective Evolution

              Who it’s written by doesn’t make a difference if they do their research. This is what matters: References

              1. Kent C, Gentempo P: “Immunizations: fact, myth, and speculation.” International Review of Chiropractic. November/December 1990.
              2. Hooper, E: “The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS.” New York. Little, Brown and Company. 1999.

              What does having a college degree have to do with anything? When I left college I had a 4.3 GPA. My decision had nothing to do with intelligence or difficulty of programs but the fact that education wasn’t right for me. People need to learn very quickly that education is in no way a measure of people’s intelligence but in fact can create very narrow minded people. Thankfully, this message is being spread by many brilliant minds out there.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY
              a visual version as well.

          • Joe,
            You link to an article on “whaleto” as evidence? Really? Why not just link to Alex Jones or Mike Adams? That site has NO crediability. If you had a science background you would realize this.

            Yes deaths rates were declining pre-vaccines. This was due to improved medical care. Like the support (iron lung) that was given to patients.

            Again, by linking to such a crackpot web site like whaleto you have no crediability and I won’t be coming to your site in the future.

            If you are interested in the truth read this:
            http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/

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            • - Collective Evolution

              Will repeat my previous response.

              Who it’s written by doesn’t make a difference if they do their research. This is what matters:

              References

              1. Kent C, Gentempo P: “Immunizations: fact, myth, and speculation.” International Review of Chiropractic. November/December 1990.
              2. Hooper, E: “The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS.” New York. Little, Brown and Company. 1999.

              One can judge any source all they like, the information is what matters at the end.

          • Katie

            Joe, how inconsiderate and RUDE of you. She just said she lost her father to Polio and you’re STILL trying defend yourself! I don’t understand how you are so closed minded. You say that you take your position because of “personal testimonies” from people who “know” vaccines caused Autism, but you refuse to acknowledge those who are providing testimonies that counter your own. If you were a true researcher, you wouldn’t be trying to prove and defend that vaccines cause Autism, you would be thoroughly researching EVERY aspect from BOTH sides and making a well informed decision, which are not.

            Also, I have known several people who had Polio as a child and would have given anything to have a vaccine. You can’t honestly tell me that they went through all the trouble to make a vaccine to HELP these poor people if it had “weened itself off” already. That is just stupid to even say. Where do you get off thinking you know everything?

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            • - Collective Evolution

              Hey Katie,
              I think you are bringing emotion into this and not realizing the purpose of the information. I feel for people who get diseases just as I feel for people who get hurt by vaccines, I am not saying either one is different than the other. In the case of the previous commenter, I felt for her story, but I also realize that information that we have learned today is showing us that we may have misunderstood our original beliefs about things from the past. Science is always expanding like that. Do we know Polio had a natural decline before the vaccine, yes, it was nearly gone and that’s a fact. You can read a paper about that here http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kent.html.

              Again, this is not insensitivity it is just a matter of researching what has happened in the past and leaving out many of the misconceptions. One misconception for example was the over diagnosis of Polio, most of which are now considered meningitis cases. This made Polio seem like a much bigger epidemic than it was. Does this mean that Polio wasn’t bad? No, for a very small percentage of people it could cause death or paralysis, for a very large percentage of people it could be cured incredibly easily. Most Polio cases today are caused by the vaccine itself. If we are able to set aside our misconceptions we can observe the true nature of the Polio story quite easily.

              In terms of Autism, I have researched both sides in detail. That is evident throughout my article and the comments I have written. All the article suggest is that people make themselves aware of the risks on both sides, not just the risk of not vaccinating. With this knowledge a person can make the decision they feel is right. Notice I am not telling anyone to do anything in particular throughout the entire article and comments. Looking at information simply as information is the best way we can discern. The moment we bring in emotion and use our previous knowledge to simply brush aside new findings, we become very closed minded.

              Peace

    • Amy D

      No, Peter, you’re naïve. Do you recall the controversy over cigarettes/tobacco? How many studies or scientists made the claim that they were safe? How many scientific articles were published during the slave era in the US, proving blacks were inferior to justify slavery. Don’t think for a minute science can’t be biased. Secondly, in a court of Civil law, the Judge must award the party with the greater amount of evidence. Apparently some Judges have found validity in these studies which supports the argument AND proves there is more evidence supporting this article. You need to do more research, forget the praying.

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      • “How many studies or scientists made the claim that they were safe? – No I don’t. How many?

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    • (If I was forced to choose between polio and autism, I would choose polio!!!)

      Is it too much to ask that you get your information from sources that are NOT ON THE PAYROLL OF THE MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR VACCINE INDUSTRY?!! If all you have to offer is intimidation and “sources” who are on the payroll of the vaccine industry, then you don’t have much of an argument, do you!

      However, on the off-chance that you really do care about the truth, check out these recent FACT-BASED articles, to start:

      http://www.activistpost.com/2013/07/vaccination-causes-autism-heres-what.html

      http://www.ebcala.org/areas-of-law/vaccine-law/guest-post-crack-down-on-those-who-don‘t-vaccinate-a-response-to-art-caplan

      http://www.occupycorporatism.com/obama-revision-to-foia-rules-keeps-evidence-of-vaccine-dangers-from-public/

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      • Kathy,

        Are you kidding me? I don’t see any peer reviewed scientific studies in what you refer to as FACT BASED information. The 1st link is to a blogger who offers her antivax opinion. Not scientific evidence but an OPINION. The 2nd is a dead link, but probably more of the same. The 3rd is nothing more than a blogger complaining about the Freedom of Information Act and the possible non-disclosure of information on the inserts of vaccines. Hasn’t even happened yet, and has NOTHING what so ever to do with the safety of vaccines.

        I’m surprised you didn’t offer up links to Natural News, whaleto, or Vax Truth!

        Why don’t you go to the sources (doctors, scientists, immunologists, researchers, CDC, Academy of Pediatricians, NIH) that actually have the education, knowledge, and expertise to give an opinion on the matter?

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        • kimberly

          My doctor says that we dont need these out dated vaccines. My daughter got the whooping cough vaccine and got whooping cough 3 weeks later. The dr out right asked did she just get the shot a few weeks ago. I said yes. He said you didn’t here it from me but this has been happening a lot and why whooping cough came back. Lol . When my son was “normal” and then not after two of his shots and seizures after both it doesnt take a rocket scientists to figure out the mercury and formaldehyde and aluminum kills brain cells. My son school sent out pamphlets with information about the chicken pox vacation and hepatitis. I googled some of the key words in the information and the vaccine contains bovine cell, swine dna and primate. So pig cow and monkey and we wonder how diseases get into our blood like swine flu. May be so they can create a disease to make money for the drug companies . The diseases come from some where. Small pox and pollio were almost gone by the time the vaccine was made. After giving the vaccine it jumped up by 70 percent. So more people died after the vaccine then before it. Did you know that you cant be forced to get vaccines if you are whom ever forced you to is liable for your doctors bills. In Canada anyway.

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    • Peter, the simple question everyone must ask themselves whether or not the belief is for or against vaccines…given the proven, even you cannot argue the facts here….given the proven dangers is it worth the risk?

      Why will no doctor I have ask sign a vaccine safety form prior to attempting to vaccinate my child? they refused and then could not show me any proof that they were safe when ask for documentation..not one of the 4 she has been too could produce anything to prove the safety of the needles they suggested. She has now a doctor that has no problem with non vaccination and in fact refuses to vaccinate her own 2 children.

      informed Choices can only be made when you are given all the FACTS…to some it will lead to still trust and vaccinate but to those that really dig and look and make the calls not only rely on written words on the internet…the truly awaken ones will never inject poisons into a still developing child..God know what he is doing, your God may not be my God but all of the Gods people worship across this planet created a child able to develop a natural immunity….its really simple common sense, no science needed here

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      • march

        Here, Here Hammertime. Wake up people!

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    • - Collective Evolution

      So let me get this straight.. if there were 10 studies proving its safe but 8 studies proving it’s not, the proving side wins because they score more points? The fact that more than a even 3 or 4 studies exist to show a link should be enough to get us to think differently about vaccines. Especially when people are finding faults in the studies showing it has no link. The court cases do help the cause because a court case or this nature cannot be won without proof beyond reasonable doubt. Meaning something was presented in the court room that proved beyond reasonable doubt that the vaccines caused autism. Why don’t you pray for those who are injured due to your comments? Or those of the CDC? Why do you consistently ignore the fact that kids have been damaged by vaccines? I don’t understand this.

      • Corine

        None of those studies “prove” anything! All they do is show an “association” between 2 variables. That’s the same as saying, “Incidents of drowning increase as sales of ice cream increase, so ice cream must cause drowning.” When in reality, ice cream sales increase in the summer time and more people swim in the summer time. The symptoms of Autism are too broad to include anyone in a study where the rate of misdiagnosis is so high. Until they begin using medical testing (blood, genetics, MRI, etc.) to test for Autism, as opposed to the vague checklists that are used at this time, you can’t even reasonably confirm that any of the patients that participated in these studies have Autism beyond reasonable doubt. Beyond that, you talk about who benefits financially… the lawyers in most of these cases will make more money than any doctor has ever made from administering vaccines. Beyond all that, you’re encouraging parents to not vaccinate their children, harming the herd immunity, which will ultimately lead to the direct deaths of the immuno-compromised and reintroduce all of these diseases back into the community. This is why everyone is saying to you that you need to be careful with your words… they may cause many, many deaths!

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      • Andrew

        If those 2 studies were conducted with poor science and unrelated techniques are they still related? How it injected aluminum into neurons in vitro anything like getting a vaccine? This is awful correlative garbage and you should be ashamed.

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        • - Collective Evolution

          Hey, I don’t understand your comment. I am not sure which studies you are referring to. There are 15 studies showing a link and help to back up the premise of the article.

      • The problem Joe is there isn’t a single REPUTABLE study that’s shown vaccines are dangerous and should be stopped. Is there the rare side effect? Yes, but the benefits so outweigh the slight chance of a temporary negative or even long term side effect, that whether you should or shouldn’t vaccinate isn’t even debatable.

        Vaccines save lives. PEROID.

        And to all the morrons who make the retarded claim that the drug companies and doctors just want to make money from pushing vaccines. If that were true and money was the motivator, then NOT vaccinating would bring far more profits! The cost of caring for the victims of the inevitable infected children and epidemics would make them much more money. Vaccines a relatively cheap compared to caring for a dying child with menningitis.

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      • kimberly

        Dear Joe. My son is 13 now and he was damaged after his 15 month and 4 year old shot. Both gave him seizures and extremely high fevers. He went from a talking boy to very little talking. He has the mentality of a 3 to 5 year old. He started talking at 9 months old and regressed after the mmr vacancies. There is no doubt in my heart that you are right. And only those who have been touched by this discusting government inflicted brain damaging kids experiment will understand. Its Russian roulette with our kids. Oh and there ms aldhemiers, bi polar and so much more that it causes to. Basically it kills your brain and immune system and neurological system. Thank you for caring and sharing. KV

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      • Im glad i have this information… Im 36 weeks pregnant with my first child. Yes i’m worried about the vaccines and what damage they may cause. I know many people who look at me funny when i even question it, but it makes no sense to me to not question it. A new born baby being injected with a hep. vaccine the day of birth???? I cant allow it, my gut, my heart, everything in me says no. There are to many health problems out there with kids now that cant be explained. Yet people wont question the things that are changing as that might be the problem, Iv also heard that the medicine they give to “induce” labor is dangerous as well… do you have any info on this? Thank for your info… some people do have the common sense to pay attention to the obvious. So your time is not wasted by any means. I for one appreciate it!

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        • Martin

          The USA vaccine court has never ruled that vaccines cause autism.

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        • Jody

          Hi Stacy, I just had my first baby in March 2013 and I have done much research on vaccinations. My baby had health problems and they wanted to take her 3 weeks early so I had to be induced, well….NOW (almost 5 months later) I wish I would have just waited it out. It was ONLY a 3 weeks difference. I was considered full term, but after the fact, I read that a lot of times -being induced- causes a c-section and I was totally for a natural birth and ended up having to be induced and then have a c-section because it made the baby’s HB drop to 70-80 for like 10 minutes. I know it was the Pitocin that caused her heart to do that. I should have waited the 3 weeks and everything would have happened when it was suppose to. I would NOT recommend letting them induce you unless there is another health reason to do so. Even in my case, she was fine where she was for 3 more weeks, that’s what my heart told me and I still regret not just waiting.

          She has never had a single vaccination and I don’t plan to give her any, ever. It just scares me too much and I know of a baby 30 minutes from where I lived who ‘suddenly’ died 7 days after her 12 month vax. It just happened this month and it reassured me that I am making the right decision. I was the exact same as you, my gut, heart and everything was saying no…..I kept thinking maybe I would do one at a time in a few months or so…..I just kept feeling the same way lol, That feeling of not wanting to do it never went away and so I’m not going to. No need for flu vax, just keep hand santi on you ALWAYS!!! make everyone use it and just try to keep your baby to yourself as much as possible for at least the first 6 month. I know it’s hard to do, my daughter is almost 5 months now but just try, it will keep her safe..also keep your hands santi and don’t smoke :) I am going to let her get the chicken pox if she gets them, I had them and didn’t die. On the same hand, I will never forgive myself if she ever got a disease, it’s a risk we all take either way. I made my decision and the best thing to do is just to make a decision and stick with it!!!! Never stop reading about it and it’ll help you stick with the plan, follow your heart.

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        • jwil

          Stacy, wise is the mother who does her homework before trusting her child to anyone’s judgment. I have seven children and a physician husband and we do NOT vaccinate our children. They are very healthy and disease free (although quite messy!). My sage husband was very suspicious early on about how much money was to be made from vaccines (billions and billions) and how quickly they were adding new ones for what he saw as extremely benign diseases. He researched it and found much information incriminating the way vaccines are introduced and information withheld from the public. He also reminded me that there was a time when the medical community said that DDT was healthy for children, only later to discover that it killed hundreds of thousands before being pulled from the shelf, not to mention the introduction of formula as being superior to breast milk. The industry has made too many mistakes to be trusted implicitly. Here is a wonderful link for you to watch before you make your final decision. It is by an MD who did her own research about vaccines….and found some very important information that isn’t even taught in medical schools (it does make you question why???) Good luck to you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twch-T-n8Ns

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          • You claim that your physician husband refers to these diseases as EXTREMELY BENIGN diseases? Have you ever seen a young child contract meningitis and have to have all of their limbs amputated to save their lives? All could have been avoided with a vaccination. These disease are NOT benign. They all have the potential to maime and kill. I find it very hard to believe that a physician would be so unenlightened as to call them extremely benign.

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        • Julie

          You are smart not wanting your baby to receive the Hep B vaccine after birth! I am a Dental Hygienist who practiced dentistry for many years. I had all 3 doses of the Hep B vaccine because the nature of my work. I did not have any side effects. Hep B vaccines are recommended for people in the health field, drug users, and people having unprotected sex and with multiple partners. It should be obvious a baby does not fall within these guidelines. As long as a new mother is healthy and has a healthy pregnancy, I see no reason for a newborn to have this vaccine. I have had many vaccines especially traveling to third world countries. I am not against vaccines, but i do think we need a safer schedule for our children. I encourage you to be informed and educated ,so you can make the best decisions for your child.

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        • Janine

          Stacy, I’m also 36 weeks pregnant with my 1st! Congrats to you. I’ve been doing exactly what you’ve been doing lately… reading up on vaccines. I reached out to my friends (all very educated) who’ve had babies within the last two years, and they’ve all decided to vaccinate and haven’t hand any problems. There are a couple who opted out of a couple vaccines, including Hep B. That’s one, too, that I question why I’d need to have my baby subjected to. I think I’ll skip that one.

          Someone mentioned the Dr. Seers vaccine book, which I intend on getting. Also, I recommend “The Business of Being Born,” but as you’re this close to delivery, you may want to wait on it depending on what your birth plan is. I have a midwife and am planning a natural water birth in a birthing center, so I intend on avoiding all medications, including piton. It’s strange how common it seems for doctors to want to induce labor. A friend who gave birth last year was nearly at her due date, and the doctor said, we must induce because your baby will be too big. Well, as is typical, they induced, she had an epidural, and ended up with a C-section. All is well with her and baby, but her baby was 7 pounds something. Doesn’t sound big to me. Quite average, in fact.

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          • Jody

            same thing happened to me. not because of a big baby…because of other reasons but they induced me only 3 weeks early with Pitocin. I was considered full term and I feel tricked. I then had to have an emergency c-section bc her HB dropped….and my original plan was to have a WATER BIRTH lol!!!!!!! I just had her in March 2013 and am not vaccinating at all, good luck with your decisions and congrats to both of you!!!!!!!

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          • Amy D

            Yes! “The Business of Being Born” is a great documentary! I have four children and birthed them all naturally without interventions. I am 5’5, 115lbs and birthed a 9lb baby. While I would never force my beliefs/lifestyle on other women with what they should and shouldn’t do, I think we all need to be informed in our decisions. Know your options and the risks!

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        • Stacy-
          I’m right there with you. I didn’t vaccinate my son right when he was born because I didn’t feel it was necessary to pump him with something so soon. I bought a book written by Dr. Sears called The Vaccine Book and researched my decision when it came to vaccines thoroughly. It’s a great, unbiased book of factual information of what’s in them, risks of contracting certain diseases in this day and age and their levels of danger if you were to contract them, as well as the areas Big Pharma plays in decisions. I highly recommend it. With that said, after reading it, my personal choice was the benefits outweighed the risks and I chose to put my son on a delayed vaccination schedule at my pace, not what the doctors recommended. Either decision a parent makes, I think we should all stand behind them and support them for trying to do, in their heart, what they think is best for their child.
          As far as the medicine (typically cytotec) used to ripen your cervix or pitocin to help get you to dilate, there are pros and cons to going those routes too. I personally was rushed into an emergency c-section when my son’s heart rate started dropping and didn’t have any of that done prior, so I don’t know first hand, but you should research each. I think there are pros and cons to each… cytotec shouldn’t be used unless you are dilating already and pitocin shouldn’t be used unless your cervix is already ripening, etc. Otherwise you are getting set up for failure and more medical treatments that could land you into an unnecessary c-section. Sure I’m not any kind of medical professional, but just another momma trying to get the right info for myself. Watch The Business of Being Born… great movie, although I think they put a little too much fear into a woman being given cytotec… but that is my opinion.
          Regardless, congratulations on your impending new addition. Motherhood is an amazing journey. Unfortunately decisions like these never get any easier as your child grows, so keep yourself informed and make decisions based on what you feel in your heart to be right for the safety and well being of your child. :)

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          • Jody

            great post :)

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        • Angela

          Stacy, I did some research about vaccines and decided not to vaccinate my son, I feel exactly the same way about vaccinating a newborn for hep. As far as the use of pitocin, I think that in some cases it is needed, if the baby is in distress or the something has gone wrong and the baby needs to come quickly. However, I do think that doctors are often to quick to administer pitocin, and mothers are often unaware of what that could potentially cause. Pitocin causes stronger contractions and consequently, stronger pain. The mother often needs more pain medication, which can slow down the contractions, leading to the need for more pitocin. This can start a chain reaction which can eventually lead to a baby in distress and the need for a c-section. C-sections, like pitocin, are needed in some cases, but it is not a minor surgery and has a entire new set of risks and potential complications. I don’t have any information about the actual chemical composition of pitocin. I’m not saying at all that these things are bad when used in the right way, but I would recommend doing some research in the next couple of weeks and writing down a birth plan and giving it to your doctor- a “wish list” for how you would prefer your labor to go, as long as there are no complications. You can include things like if, when, and what type of pain medicine you would like to be given, and also if you would like to avoid pitocin. Something you might be interested in watching is a documentary called “The Business of Being Born”. It opened my eyes to quite a lot. For me personally, I decided that simpler was better and opted out of pain meds and any interventions (luckily, things went well and I wasn’t forced to change my plan). Whatever you decide, do your research, determine what is best for your family, and stick with your guns! It is the life of your child, and no one can make those decisions for you.

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          • Jody

            Hi Angela, great post! My original plan was to have a WATER BIRTH!!!! And then I had complications and I feel like I was ‘tricked’ into being induced!!! They said the baby had to come early because of what was going on…well, they only took her 3 weeks early so she’s considered full term and I know in my heart that she could have waited her 3 more weeks and been ok. It wasn’t because she was in distress or anything like that, she could have waited. So anyways, I had pitocin, her hb started to drop to 70-80 so I then had to have an emergency c-section :) go figure! If I would have known then what I know now, I would have let her come when she was ready…just 3 weeks later :( I also am not vaccinating, my daughter is now 5 months old and has never and will never be vaccinated. I do not recommend being induced or vaccinating.

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        • Stacy. Do not give the vaccine to your child. I am telling you from experience. Pharmaceutical companies are evil. My son has motor skill problems, emotional problems and yes, autism. I was against vaccines. I caved in to my mom and my husband. I truly regret it. To this day they are still in denial that the vaccine did not cause his affliction.

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          • Jody

            Thanks for your post, you have helped assure me of my decision to not vaccinate my 5 month old daughter :)

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      • Robin

        My comment was supposed to be here :)

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      • Robin

        Wonderful response! And an excellent point , ONE small link between the ingredients in a vaccination and my child’s neurological development is enough to make me think twice.

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        • Jody

          exactly 😉

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        • Dana

          Take two of these and call me in the morning.

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        • Minnesota Mama

          There are a lot more links to the damage that comes from the diseases you are exposing your child to by not vaccinating. You would rather expose your child to measles? Polio? You know anyone who had polio? I do.

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      • Peter

        “The court cases do help the cause because a court case or this nature cannot be won without proof beyond reasonable doubt. ” You are showing your ignorance here, Joe and proof you should not be writing on this subject. The statement you make above is for criminal cases. The rule for a civil case is much less.

        And it is not 10 to 8. More like 100 to 1.

        But keep talking, Joe, your ignorance is amusing! Too bad it also puts human lives at risk!

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        • jwil

          I find your ignorance equally amusing, Peter. Be sure to throw out all studies done by anyone who can benefit financially on either side of the argument and you don’t have nearly 100 to 1 odds. All CDC and pharma run studies have to be thrown out for conflict of interest. It is impossible to remain unbiased when you stand to lose billions of dollars upon an outcome that doesn’t go your way. Among unbiased studies, the numbers swing way to the “vaccines are questionable at best” side. Do your research.

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          • Peter

            That is why I look to studies done at research centers and Universities all aroound the world and whose findings have been reviewed by respected professionals before they are published. Not from some quack who cherry picks his information.

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        • Tom

          So Peter, since you’ve done the “research” I’m just wondering what the organic cause of ADHD is? Yes, I already know that there is no cause, just a few theories and a collection of symptoms that psychologists and pharmaceutical companies slap a label on to make billions of $ on. Most of the “science” of psychology is just a bunch of guys putting labels on human behaviors and finding a drug to change the symptoms. It doesn’t take a “Doctor or Psychologist” to see through this facade. Fall off your horse Peter. As Joe so elegantly points out, the common folks are waking up to the bullshit foisted upon them by psychologists and MD’s and the lab rats in big pharma. Hell, even the MD’s who are conscious see the damage they do to people and get out of the drug and surgery pushing racket that keeps big medicine running. So, keep arguing the minor points and miss the big picture. It is your right Peter, but don’t think that you are changing anyone’s mind by your opinions. Ah, it sounds like politics! Now that’s another subject to argue over isn’t it?

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          • Scooter2693

            You know, I don’t even think any of this matters. If I were to have an infant that has a moderate chance of getting a serious illness vs. having a small chance of gathering autism, I think I would still get them vaccinated. IMO, a healthy autistic child my be better than a contagious, always at risk normal child. I hate to repeat that the “benefits outweigh the risks” but, if I needed a surgery and a doctor tells me the possible risks, the surgery is still more important; like a child’s health and social life.

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        • Hi Peter, just one thing, do you think money runs this world, and how much money do you think these companies make, and do you think they give a dam that kids are getting life long illnesses from there vaccines as long as they are making there billions of dollars( and if they do get sick or pemantely affected, they just make more money through the drugs they supply). Another thing, how many more illneses get caused from vaccines that have not been fully studied, and wont be as its pretty much sucicide for anyone to look into it. And then any kids who do get anything after they have been injected with a vaccine the doctors are pretty much brain washed to find any other cause in the world then to find a link with the vaccine, only about 1 in 10 cases actually get linked with vaccine because of this vigerious brain washing (there is no danger in vaccines, there is no danger in vaccines………..) when it should be like 90%.

          So please respect people who stand up against those earning billions of dollars and dont care who gets hurt as long as they keep making there money.

          Also do you know the amount of mercury you have running around in your body (depending on how old you are (due to the changes in vaccine, it was once pure, but now they add a whole lot of crap into it just so it can sit in big warehouses tilll its needed, when once it was made on demand and was thrown out if not used within a certain time frame, it was pure and benifical, but that was costley so now its full of crap and dangerious, just money, money, money.

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        • Your ignorance is not amusing.

          Tell us why the recent ruling of the US Supreme Court officially refers to vaccines as “unavoidably unsafe” while interpreting the NCVI Act of 1986 as exempting all vaccine manufacturers from ALL liability in cases involving injury or death? (source- Bruesewitz v. Wyeth No. 09-152, decided 22 Feb 2011 http://www.ebcala.org/areas-of-law-guest-post-crack-down-on-those-who-dont-vaccinate-a-response-to-art-caplan or the actual court document: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf )

          And why did Obama revise the FOIA rules to keep evidence of vaccine dangers from the public? http://www.occupycorporatism.com/obama-revision-to-foia-rules-keeps-evidence-of-vaccine-dangers-from-public/ hmmm…

          Oh, and if you really are concerned about the “human lives at risk,” try venturing away from those who are on the payroll of the pharmaceutical industry. It’s called a conflict of interest and is not a reliable source. If you’re having trouble grasping what a confilct of interest is, this article does an excellent job explaining it: http://www.activistpost.com/2013/07/vaccination-causes-autism-heres-what.html

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          • simon

            Peter?

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        • - Collective Evolution

          I appreciate your opinion Peter but the evidence does not line up very well with your statements. I am open minded to the subject which has allowed me to get as far as I have in the research of it. This area of study is fast expanding as more medical professionals are recognizing the links. As each month passes more and more will come out within this area of research as it is being taken very seriously inside the medical field. While the average person like you and I may not see that as we don’t operate in the field, it is clear that it’s heating up. As for human lives at risk, not even close.

          • Peter

            You may not operate in the field but I started doing behavioral research of ADHD back in 1989 and expanded into Autism when my daughter was diagnosed with Autism. So, not only do I have experience sifting through real research articles, I have a grasp of the subject from a neurological perspective. Yes, I have a degree in the field. Do you?

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            • - Collective Evolution

              No I do not but it’s also clear one is not needed. Medical journals are often published in ways that make it possible for other people to understand, hence my understanding of it. Further, the people saying there is no link have the same education as the people who say their is a link, so degree means nothing. It comes down to how we approach research, keeping ego aside and staying open minded.

      • Jenneil

        I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with your hypothesis, but it is prudent to point out civil court cases do not require proof beyond a reasonable doubt. They require the preponderance of the evidence which is 51%.

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        • mo garcia

          … and the burden of proof in federal vaccine court is unique, different, and very difficult to attain. Vaccine Court is run by Special Masters, persons who previously worked for the pharmaceutical industry. Only 10-15% of any of the applicants to vaccine court ever receive an award and that is usually 10 yrs after the fact. Meanwhile, many families break-up, fall-apart, die, or go bankrupt waiting for their day in court and for justice.

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  5. Autumn Stewart

    Mr.Martino your artical has been very helpful for me. My question for you is, in your research have you found any court documents that show the flu vaccines have the same type of effect on children? I have been in court numerous times trying to not give my child the vaccine due to these effects and the courts have overruled me due to lack of evidence particularly pertaining to the flu vaccine. If you possibly have found the type of documentation I have not been successful in finding it would be greatly appreciated if you could pass along that information. Sincerely, Autumn S

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    • - Collective Evolution

      Hi Autumn, I will check into a few other sources to see what I can find. But in my search prior, for this article, I did come across this. http://www.jpands.org/vol11no2/ayoub.pdf While it isn’t exactly what you asked, it does relate to a degree. I have heard other people claim they have seen some pretty nasty stuff from the flu shot as well. Especially given some of the ingredients. From my knowledge, the flu shot, swine flu shot, MMR and Pertussis vaccinations have the worst rap given the high number of injuries they have caused.

      • Autumn Stewart

        Thank you so much Mr.Martino…they definitely do have a very bad rap. I had one particular case to present which is my best friend (22 at the time)she received a flu shot and a tetanus shot at the same time (5 months post partum)and within about a month she was paralysed for 2 months with encephalitis of the brain. Her name is Melissa Ellingson, you may have ran across her name in your research. Even with her testimony it still isn’t enough for court to not force a vaccine on a child. So the flu shot is my main focus however I do know there is a lot of vaccines that contain the same ingredients so I do believe that will greatly help prove my case. Thank you for you help Mr.Martino it is truly greatly appreciated.
        Autumn

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  6. Hannah

    Thanks for this info. My child reacted after his MMR vaccine 6 years ago and since then we have been very weary of vaccines. I always tell my friends to be careful and do research. When my son reacted we looked into everything related and to find so much information and first hand cases from others, it was clear that vaccines are not as safe as we might think. The main thing is it’s not for every child so EVERY parent needs to know this. I personally feel articles like this can HELP people greatly and allow them make more educated decisions. Thanks Joe for your efforts. This could have saved our family some grief.

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  7. Michael

    Peter, that’s easy to say until it’s your child!

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    • Peter

      That’s funny, Michael. Since I have an Autistic daughter and I am High-Functioning Autism called Aspergers.

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      • march

        Hello Peter, Your family may benefit from this book, “The China Study”. I mean this with all sincerity….I wish harmony upon you.

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  8. Archie

    Joe, the odds are that Peter is a professional troll paid by the big boys to create cognitive dissonance among those sitting on the fence. Every site has one. Sometimes they’ll bring in a tag team if someone really knowledgeable starts to slam their argument. The hardest thing for people to overcome is their lifetime of scientific indoctrination through schooling and mass media. Even harder when they aren’t even aware they’ve been indoctrinated since the day they were born. Anyone wishing to overcome the psychological aspect should check out Alan Watt @ cuttingthroughthematrix.com The man’s a genius of rare ability at getting people to wake up and seeing the truth. Keep up the good work.

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    • Peter

      No, Archie. I have a daughter who was diagnosed with Autism when she was 5. Through our learning about Autism, we have discovered that our family has many different flavors of Autism that spans generations.

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      • Hi Peter,

        And this demonstrates why there is such a perceived increase in Autism. Really the increase is a reflection of much better diagnosing. Autism is a spectrum as you well know Peter. The increase is do to more people being identified as being on the spectrum.

        There isn’t one single shred of reputable scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism.

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        • - Collective Evolution

          You last statement is completely incorrects. Read the studies. It’s all credible evidence.

          • Katie

            You know, Joe. For someone who spends so much time “researching” this topic, you sure are quick to bash anyone presenting reliable facts to you. There is a huge difference between the “studies” you refer to and actual “reputable scientific evidence”, as Susan G mentioned above. Any good scientist could tell you that you should check the credibility before believing the source.

            Also, Susan makes a terrific point. Since Autism has started to be studied more in depth, there has, indeed, been an increase in the number of people being diagnosed with ASD. It IS a result of better diagnosing. And it IS a spectrum disorder, hints the name ASD [Autism Spectrum Disorder]. There are individuals on the spectrum who are high functioning and lead an near “normal” life.

            I’d like to know your thoughts on children with Autism who were NOT given vaccines. Also, are you suggesting that before the invention of vaccines, there were no people with Autism or MMR?

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            • - Collective Evolution

              If you read my previous comments I never bash anyone, I always keep my comments clean. I have to disagree and say that I don’t feel that independent studies are “non reputable.” It’s unfortunate so many of us feel they are because it means the only information we can take seriously is information that comes with an agenda. CDC, FDA, WHO, governments, they have an agenda behind what the research as they will only research it if there is profit at the end. The major shareholders and board members of the institutions funding studies have a direct benefit from the results. If scientific minds are creating valid arguments on both sides of the spectrum, why do we shun one ut completely? This would be an unintelligent mistake to make.

              My thoughts are that children with autism who have not been vaccinated have conditions that fall under ASD, just like the kids who were vaccinated. Autism Spectrum Disorder does not exist solely because of vaccines, it, like AIDS, is a very large spectrum of symptoms and conditions so understanding ASD is not the easiest thing. WHat vaccines are linked too however is many of the symptoms and conditions, including brain and neurological damage, that are often seen in children with ASD. That being said, there is a link between the damaged caused by the vaccines and the sudden diagnosis of ASD. DOes it mean it will cause it every time? No, but it does mean that vaccines can quite easily damage people and people NEED to know of the risks.

  9. what happened to my comment? is this page censored?

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    • - Collective Evolution

      Hey, let us know the contents of the comment and we can better answer the question. We have a swear filter and comment moderation team. Generally things are ONLY removed if it is full of swearing or an attack towards someone without adding anything to the article. Some call that censorship, some call it avoiding fights :)

  10. James

    Hey Peter do you or have you ever been around a child with Autism? Just wondering because it is normally the person that has no first hand experience with the loudest opinion. People need to quit being little sheep and believing everything the media and government tells them to. Think about it like this, what is the leading group that lobbies the most money through D.C? Pharmaceutical and what would happen if they actually admitted this.

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    • Peter

      Yes, James, I am Autistic. High functioning. It runs in my family over many generations.

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