FDA Finally Admits Chicken Meat Contains Cancer-Causing Arsenic


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After years of sweeping the issue under the rug and hoping no one would notice, the FDA has now finally admitted that chicken meat sold in the USA contains arsenic, a cancer-causing toxic chemical that’s fatal in high doses. But the real story is where this arsenic comes from: It’s added to the chicken feed purposely!

Even worse, the FDA says its own research shows that the arsenic added to the chicken feed ends up in the chicken meat where it is consumed by humans. So for the last sixty years, American consumers who eat conventional chicken have been consuming arsenic, a known cancer-causing chemical.

Until this new study, both the poultry industry and the FDA denied that arsenic fed to chickens ended up in their meat. The fairy-tale excuse story we’ve all been fed for sixty years is that “the arsenic is excreted in the chicken feces.” There’s no scientific basis for making such a claim, it’s simply what the poultry industry wanted everybody to believe.

Now the evidence is so undeniable that the manufacturer of the chicken feed product known as Roxarsone has decided to pull the product off the shelves. Interestingly enough, the manufacturer that has been putting arsenic in the chicken feed for all these years is Pfizer — the very same company that makes vaccines containing chemical adjuvants that are injected into children.

Technically, the company making the Roxarsone chicken feed is a subsidiary of Pfizer, called Alpharma LLC. Even though Alpharma now has agreed to pull this toxic feed chemical off the shelves in the United States, it says it won’t necessarily remove it from feed products in other countries unless it is forced by regulators to do so. As reported by AP:

“Scott Brown of Pfizer Animal Health’s Veterinary Medicine Research and Development division said the company also sells the ingredient in about a dozen other countries. He said Pfizer is reaching out to regulatory authorities in those countries and will decide whether to sell it on an individual basis.”

But even as its arsenic-containing product is pulled off the shelves, the FDA continues its campaign of denial, claiming arsenic in chickens is at such a low level that it’s still safe to eat. This is even as the FDA says arsenic is a carcinogen, meaning it increases the risk of cancer.

The National Chicken Council agrees with the FDA. In a statement issued in response to the news that Roxarsone would be pulled from feed store shelves, it stated, “Chicken is safe to eat” even while admitting arsenic was used in many flocks grown and sold as chicken meat in the United States.

What’s astonishing about all this is that the FDA tells consumers it’s safe to eat cancer-causing arsenic but it’s dangerous to drink elderberry juice! The FDA recently conducted an armed raid in an elderberry juice manufacturer, accusing them of the “crime” of selling “unapproved drugs.” Which drugs would those be? The elderberry juice, explains the FDA. You see, the elderberry juice suddenly becomes a “drug” if you tell people how it can help support good health.
The FDA has also gone after dozens of other companies for selling natural herbal products or nutritional products that enhance and support health. The FDA is also waging a war on raw milk which it says is dangerous. Currently in America, thee is a food and drug regulatory agency that says it’s okay to eat arsenic, but dangerous to drink elderberry juice or raw milk.

Sources:

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/burlington_county_times_news/fda-some-chicken-may-have-small-amount-of-arsenic/article_0ecc5758-91f7-11e0-a572-001a4bcf6878.html

http://www.grist.org/food-safety/2011-06-08-fda-admits-supermarket-chickens-test-positive-for-arsenic

http://www.naturalnews.com/032631_elderberry_juice_FDA_raid.html

http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/08/fda-finally-admits-chicken-meat-contains-cancer-causing-arsenic.html


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  1. In what pseudoscience world can arsenic be scientifically linked to the mysterious disease known as cancer? To link arsenic to what is known loosely as “cancer” would have to suggest that someone knows what “cancer” is. I think most can agree that there is likely a pathogen that is “cancer” so to suggest arsenic causes cancer seems a little misleading. Saying arsenic hinders the immune system allowing pathogens to have free reign is probably more scientifically accurate. Giving signs and symptoms caused by pathogens a name like “cancer” is as misleading as it gets. I sure would like to see people gain in wisdom instead of secondhand hearsay science propaganda. Think of the discussion and health improvements if we all stopped buying into the misinformation. Regards.

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    • Do you honestly say that you don’t know what cancer is?

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      • Fable, I can honestly say my cousin, one of the leading Oncologist in the U.S doesn’t know what cancer is. No cancer doctor does. That’s the beauty of an industry creating a disease based on nothing but pure speculation.

        Explanations for what “cancer” is come and go and change like the wind. That is what makes curing cancer so easy to avoid. No one knows what cancer is because no one but approved commercial puppets have access to the deceased to see just exactly what it was that killed their loved one.

        Jeff talked about using arsenic to treat cancer, well everything in the world as been used to attempt to TREAT cancer but there is not one institution out there attempting to cure what is known as cancer. Urine therapy, arsenic, what’s the difference when people are still dying as such a grotesque rate. And who’s to say those successfully “TREATED” for cancer and have survived would not have fared much better had they not undergone the alleged “cancer” treatment. There is no way to know what would have happened after the treatments are used. It can be said that the diagnoses of “cancer” is far more deadly that what ever it is that is causing the signs and symptoms that provoked the “cancer” diagnoses. Stress and fear are far more deadly than any supposed “cancer” because stress and fear can shut down a person immunity quicker than any pathogen. Stress and fear can lead to shock and death in minutes so do not take it lightly.

        No medical data will stand up in court as anything more than speculation. That’s just the way it is, but the problem today is consumers do not every question the data or even read it appropriately to know it is all hypothesis and speculation. “Believed to be” is one of the most common phrases in the medical industry. I use to believe in Santa Clause but now I demand more tangible evidence and more importantly truth and I can tell you, when the truth is part of healing or medicine cures will result. That’s a good aid to knowing if you are being told the truth, if you can be cured or healed you are getting the truth, if you are being treated instead of cured you are being misinformed. I don’t expect a lot of people to agree with me but if you think about it you will see it is only common sense.

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        • maryann

          I label your responses rational irrationalization…when you get Cancer…you will figure out what it is in relation to your body and immune system…until then, continue to banter with whomever it is you talk in circles with and hope that you find the common sense in all of this nonsense.

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          • Yes you missed bobby90247. When someone comes to someone claiming they have found a way to do something, it is more or less based on theories. The phrase is a principal which is used to detect incorrect equations and correct them with correct corrections.

            Your logic opens up the door to problems. “If they say this is how it works, it then must work that way.” Incorrect. Just the ability to publish you opinion does not make it work that way. You need equations to back it all up. If you don’t have any equations to back it up, your statement is false.

            Do not just believe when someone says they have invented something that works this way or that way. Whenever you truly show me how the things you have invented work, you don’t have to tell me why it does because I have the equation and I can calculate it myself, if it is based on logic.

            There are many who believe they work, but unless we test them, we have no way to understand how they work especially the laws and many types of behavior. We may have a slight clue of knowing how they work, but to know and not to understand what you know is the same as not to know. This is how I unmask e.g. a lying person.

            He was also a human inventing a very critical principal which ables us to find and improve our systems. What could be more topical than improvement of systems of today? I won’t be suggestive and blame people by their titles. I don’t care who you are or what you have done. What I really care about is how you behave. By having me study your behavior, I will be able to tell you where your behavior leads you. To use Pareto’s principal in this case I will also be able to detect faster the sources of all kinds of problems. I don’t know where you looked up the principal, but in Finnish Wikipedia pages, I found enough to verify its usefulness. I have already put it in usage and found it to be as it states. A principal to improve systems. One of the best principals I have ever found.

            One more thing though. As a principal, it means not an exact value. It is still breathing and by that I mean it has no fixed values even though there is the 80-20 rule. However it may not be exactly 80-20, but instead 81,7-18,3 or similar.

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            • Bobby and Fable, we live in a world where how things work is more important than things that work. How the body can be immune to cancer is more impressive than the SOLID FACT that the body can be immune to cancer.

              Mainstream failing science has set the standards as to what can be considered valid and true when nothing is mainstream is valid and true. Credentials are more important than results. Furthermore, all science is commercial unless you are like me, a one person private science institution, naturally without any funding.

              All the data in the medical world today that is considered to be valid because of proper scientific validation and research ENDS at a dead end, literally. What does common sense tell you about a type of science that fails and fails and fails again and again? It tells you that mainstream commercial science isn’t science at all, it is pseudoscience used to further the industry of today’s medicine and that includes natural alternative medicine.

          • I’m with you, Maryann! “…Show me how your system works and I tell you why it does…” Did I miss something here? If, I can show you how my system works, doesn’t that mean I already know “why?” hmmm…??? I think so, otherwise, how would I have come up with a “working system?”

            Fable, I am not in the least bit familiar with “Pareto’s Principle”…whatsoever! Therefore, I looked-it up! Pareto was an “economist!” AND, just as I suspected, his “principle” can be used to “improve,” a working system. In doing so, you just “might” discover another system. BUT, that’s about it!

            Take Care and God Bless!!!

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          • You may label whatever you want. Feel free to do so. :)

            I have to ask though. Can you show me that I haven’t got a cancer myself? Perhaps someone I know has it. What level of a cancer is in question and what type?

            Me and you do figure out what cancer is in relation to the environment, but first we need to define what level of environment we talk about. What I actually said is in all its simplicity, the behavior that can be witnessed in all levels of cancer in relation to its level of environment. Thus I verify this portion what you just said.

            I follow this simple principal.

            “Show me how your system works and I tell you why it does.”

            This means that whenever you show me how something you have discovered works, the mechanics, from beginning to end, I will be able to tell you why it really does so. If I come to a conclusion that the result is not exactly why it does work, it means that in your equation, you have one or more components in incorrect arrangement, one or more fundamentals are missing or there are too many trivials in the pattern. To be able to locate and correct your equation I find Pareto’s Principal very helpful. The correct correction is within the top 20 % reported problems made by the incorrect equation as a result. Also the reversive way to look up your equation is that unless it is within the top 20 %, it is within the bottom 80 %. Either way you will be able to correct your equation to have it work the way you wanted it to work in the first place.

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        • To know what cancer is, you have to examine its behavior in accordance to the environment. Everything behaves in its own way within the environment, the greater holon in which it resides as a lesser holon in itself.

          Cancer is just like any other holon found in existence. It is an entity which strives to thrive, to exist as it believes as it is, as it is programmed. Single or group, its behavior is what tells us all we need and when we understand the pattern how it behaves, not just know about its existence, we are able to trace it back into its state of birth to the state of death, unstability. From state of assembly to state of disassembly. From state of activation to state of deactivation. It is then how we discover how it becomes assembled, activated by its respective components when the key component or components are placed in the right place within the equation. This is what triggers the cancer behavior.

          What I have come to understand is that cancer is not the name of a certain type of entity. It is behavior of an entity in existence, activated response to the equation, the environment, a result we see in everything when the correct equation is assembled. It will sooner or later devour its greater holonic entity in which the lesser holonic entity resides unless it does evolve to understand its behavior is more or less going to get itself devoured as a result. Solution is to deactivate the pattern, the equation from reproduction of this behavior element or teach it to behave in accordance of the boundary-conditions of the greater holonic entity which keeps the newly assembled entity to exist, but with more or less harmless/healthier behavior.

          Cancer is the behavior of a lesser holonic entity in accordance to a greater holonic entity it resides in. Cure in this sense has no meaning. There is no cure of anykind. You can only backtrack the path of evolution and continue onward. You can only undo and redo something. You can only eat and be eaten, kill and be killed. To exist sooner or later and fade sooner or later. Trial and error in a macroscopic and microscopic scale of progressive events toward the unique, existential goal of no special purpose than to mearly exist and eagerly discover, to do something.

          Whenever you cannot do something or you do something you don’t want to do, cancer behavior is triggered. You will become a devourer of the greater entity. One by one, you will affect the same pattern of behavior around you and it will spread in accordance to the boundary-conditions of the environment just like any other type of behavior and ultimately it makes the greater entity to collapse as it makes you at the same time just a mere memory. Solution to deactivate this kind of behavior is to let an entity do what it has decided it needs to do and not do something it does not want to do. Solution is to tame it with a purpose so it does not become to behave in a hazardous way toward the greater holonic entity, the environment.

          Question: Does this sound familiar to you?
          Question: How did this help you?
          Question: Have you witnessed this kind of behavior?
          Question: Where have you witnessed this?
          Question: Are you ready to tame the target entity?
          Question: or do you wait for someone else to do it?

          Let us have a conversation about this.

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          • “People with solid peace of mind are less likely to struggle with what is known as cancer”. I verify this, but can you define what you mean by solid peace of mind so I can verify the portions of it if it is not something which I can verfity as a holon?

            For the sake of argument, let us say that I verify the holon of it. This solid peace of mind, a state of mind, is also the ability to maintain “non-cancerous” behavior in a [insert type of environment here] layout, but when (not if, when) a component or components are added to the mix, peaceful state becomes the playground of such behavior that introduces problems e.g. inhaling smoke, hitting an individual, gradually longer awakeness with less and less time asleep, provoking violent rallies and so on.

            Can you define to me what a pathogen is, how it behaves to form a tumor? I prefer you to assemble your answer by your own words if you are able, but a source-link is good too.

            Tell me more about this fungus theory.

            Society is over worked, under paid and all this is due to cancerous behavior in a lower form of the greater holon e.g. greater holon (government) tries to demand what you (lesser holon) need to do while you clearly cannot do what is demanded due the government itself. Result is a situation where one of the solutions (reactions) include cancerous behavior which in this sense would mean you to try overcome the governmental rules and restrictions by force and violence. You become a cancer within the government which in itself is a fungus that created the lower level problem inside itself to begin with.

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          • Fable, let me sum that comment up in once sentence for the laymen here.

            PEOPLE WITH SOLID PEACE OF MIND ARE LESS LIKELY TO STRUGGLE WITH WHAT IS KNOWN AS CANCER.

            This is because the immune system is designed to keep us all immune to what is known as cancer and cancer is a pathogen, not the body attacking itself. The tumors are caused by pathogens and as long as we continue to pretend or fabricate stories and research that hypothesizes that they are messed up human cells because of human frailness the industry of cancer will continue to thrive.

            There is a lot of speculation that tumors are nothing more than fungal infected tissue and whether it is true or not, the theory is much more sound than any other theory. We live in a world of carbs and sugars which stimulate and feed fungus.so to take fungus lightly and to shrug it off would naturally be life threatening.

            Nothing is more ignored in world of medicine than fungus and nothing is more environmentally destructive as fungus. Fungus can wipe out an entire crop in days or an orchard.

            As for adjusting human behavior in order to provide more peace of mind and immunity, well it won’t happen because those who govern us are seeing to your own personal destruction. Society is over worked, under paid and trampled on by those in power and all society can do about it is “vote and hope.”

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    • - Collective Evolution
      • It’s like this, unless the source is able to cure something, anything, I cannot in in good judgment or conscience consider it reliable. The people or institutions who can heal anyone with cancer are the ones to be taken seriously. Anyone else in my opinion, especially the EPA is simply marketing the industry of our failing medicine for higher profit.

        Arsenic is a poison and in relation to cancer it is no different than any other poison. Arsenic is believed to be present in most of America’s well water. But that is all moot until you know exactly what “cancer” is, not the pseudoscience version created my mainstream commercial science accepted as gospel though it is all pure speculation.

        Anyway, lots of people are immune to what is called cancer but of course most will die of cancer unless they get hit by a bus or have an heart attack first. The million dollar question is “why do some people not get cancer” of course the answer is obvious but no one goes there. People can be immune to the disease known as “cancer” and everyone in the world should be trying to reach that kind of immunity then arsenic is moot.

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        • Cancer Listeni/ˈkænsər/, known medically as a malignant neoplasm, is a broad group of diseases involving unregulated cell growth. In cancer, cells divide and grow uncontrollably, forming malignant tumors, and invade nearby parts of the body. The cancer may also spread to more distant parts of the body through the lymphatic system or bloodstream. Not all tumors are cancerous; benign tumors do not invade neighboring tissues and do not spread throughout the body. There are over 200 different known cancers that afflict humans.[1]”

          As in, when your cells reproduce they create a bad copy of themselves that for whatever reason (that is the mysterious part) are not killed off by the surrounding cells as would typically happen, but continue to reproduce and split. This is grade 11 biology Dave.

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          • @ Maintainperspective,
            I’m sorry and I mean no disrespect to you but I am going to require an expert’s explanation, oh wait, there is no such thing as an expert when it comes to “cancer” BECAUSE if there was an expert THAT expert would be CONSISTENTLY curing people of cancer not treating people for “cancer”.

            The ALL-CAPS are not me yelling at you MP, it just my way to help people maintain perspective. The explanation you gave is JUST one of many explanations for what is “cancer” over the years and I will admit one of the older explanations. It still hangs in there because NO ONE has proven it wrong. That’s right, the explanation you posted is 100% hypothesis meaning NO ONE knows what “cancer” is, at least no one who is telling.

            Let’s continue to maintain perspective, my cousin the great and noble David Euhus,Oncologist extraordinaire and professor of UT South Western in Texas is considered one of the leading experts on “cancer”, but only because he is mistakenly perceived to be an expert not because he can cure people of “cancer” an a true expert would. It’s common sense, if you can’t fix or cure something CONSISTENTLY then you are not allowed to be considered an EXPERT. SHAME on anyone who believes the MP explanation above written by failures.

            So the supposed, believed to be, explanation you posted above is nothing more than the most popular belief and it remains ONLY a belief because I am not allowed to challenge it. There is no actual proof or evidence to support the explanation you gave, just speculation.

            And yes, GRADE 11 biology is WRONG. If you cannot cure what is known as “cancer” with complete consistency you cannot be considered and expert and any information published by any complete failure claiming to be an expert is naturally a fraud. Your explanation is a fraud hence the complete lack of effectiveness today in curing cancer.

            SO, the truth is NO ONE KNOWS WHAT CANCER IS. I thank everyone for their patience and suffering so we can all finally ascertain the truth. It’s unfortunate but I’m the closest thing to an expert when it comes to the disease known as “cancer” simply because I know that the data posted by maintainperspective is PURE hypothesis published by complete failures.

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    • - Collective Evolution

      Here you go David. Studies have shown the link. This is just one.
      http://www.epa.gov/teach/chem_summ/Arsenic_summary.pdf

  2. Jeff

    I’m all for eating healthy, free-range, organic and local, but the author writes this story like (s)he is Chicken Little: “The sky is falling!!!” Arsenic is naturally found in food, water, soil, and air. It is absorbed by all plants, but is more concentrated in leafy vegetables, rice, apple and grape juice, and seafood. ALL apple juice has some level of arsenic. What people often fail to realize is that there are many, many compounds, notural or otherwise, that are toxic only at excessive levels. At subtoxic levels, they can actually be beneficial. Arsenic trioxide has been used in a variety of ways over the past 500 years, but most commonly in the treatment of cancer. In 2000 it was approved for the treatment of patients with acute promyelocytic leukemia that is resistant to ATRA (all-trans retinoic acid). Caffeine is another example that is toxic at excessive levels, yet we’re finding that is is actually beneficial at low or moderate levels. Things aren’t always all or nothing, so be careful of those using scaremonger tactics like the ones in this article.

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    • jo

      Jeff, what happens is we do get arsenic from all those sources. When combined they are at levels way higher than is healthy for the human body.

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  4. FYI: this is from June and Pfizer removed any feed containing Roxarsone from the market at that time.

    Fable, I think what he means is cancer is a very complex disease and the mechanisms for causing it appear to be a complicated mashing of genetics, foreign substances, viral interactions, our immune systems, and who knows what else. It really is difficult.

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    • Thank you for the explanation.

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  5. J Brockett

    I am primarily an organic person, however what I would want to know is if the arsenic is in the chicken feed at a level for us to be concerned about, why hasn’t it killed the chickens?

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    • bob

      we obviously kill the chickens before the arsenic kills them.

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  6. Does anyone know WHY they add arsenic to the chicken feed? What purpose does it serve?

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    • Milissa

      The purpose is population control!!!

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      • No, population control is simply conspiracy BS. The problem is rotten human greed. Do whatever it takes to grow food cheaper & faster to make more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$……….. WE 99% NEED TO START TAKING OUT THE ROTTEN 1% PERIOD!

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        • Population control is an extremely serious issue and at the top of the list of agendas because there is no way around it. All quality of life is threatened by over population. What they do with chickens may not be directly linked to population control but everything is indirectly linked to it.

          There is a lot of reasons today’s medical and science industry do not cure diseases, most of which is pure greed and second and almost as important is population control. A little arsenic isn’t killing people, it is a combination of many things, mostly a result of lack of common sense. Population control is a taboo topic that is NEVER discussed in public by those in power but make no mistake it is on everyone’s mind. The truth about any conspiracy is that the conspiracy WILL ELUDE everyone. People are allowed to discuss conspiracies till they are blue in the face but if they ever discovered a true conspiracy they would have no where to discuss it because mainstream forums, even conspiracy forums censor their forums and indeed ban the discussion or real and true conspiracy. In essence, internet discussion of conspiracies is for entertainment purposes only, sort of like discussions on health and healing which is why no health and healing discussion ever leads to improved health and healing.

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          • Except logic and self-experience. Those will help you a long way.

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        • Actually it is not a conspiracy and a conspiracy is not bullshit all the time. Decent way of population control is about education to understand the possible hazards of populations size in accordance to the resources of limited environment and your individual responsibility in the equation. This is not conspiracy, this is not bullshit and this is already put in motion around the world. To kill people silently or loudly is a way to control population also, but it is very messy and at least very troublesome because most people (at least those who I know) don’t want to die yet. The latter is something I don’t want to do and I won’t agree my country to do so either.

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          • Population control is also related to cancer behavior. Just so that you know. :)

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    • Joan

      It makes them eat more. Which causes them to grow bigger faster.

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      • bryant tillman

        is that it?

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      • Liz marie Gangemi

        which also explains why people also grow bigger faster…..

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        • …and sadly the nutritional value does not necessarily escalate with the size. I pity the beasts. They have no clue what kind of humans they eat. -_-

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  7. “Interestingly enough, the manufacturer that has been putting arsenic in the chicken feed for all these years is Pfizer — the very same company that makes vaccines containing chemical adjuvants that are injected into children.”

    I would say it is more interesting that Pfizer is a leading manufacturer of drugs to fight cancer. First create a crises and then market outrageously expensive drugs to combat what you created. Sounds like a wining stratagem to me!

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  8. Shelly

    Living in Madison county, AR were you see a Tysons/Georges chicken holocaust everywhere you go.We have known this for years. Chicken Holocaust farmers won’t even eat chicken. That tells you something.

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  9. frank

    “one of the leading Oncologist in the U.S doesn’t know what cancer is.”
    David sounds like your cousin needs a new career.

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    • As I have posted in response to other comments Frank, no one knows what cancer is, they only know what cancer is hypothesized as. My cousin is respected by every Oncologist in the world because they love his hypothesis and when my cousin hypothesis everyone listens and the loyal consumer interprets his hypothesis as factual out of sheer loyalty to his credential. No one knows what cancer is because cancer is whatever the medical industry wants it to be.

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  10. “Meanwhile, back at the Ranch…” Thirty years ago (omg! I WAS 30!!!), I was “bodybuilding” and completely changed my daily diet. At that time, I discontinued eating “red meat” on a daily basis switching to chicken, turkey, and fish. Lot’s of fruits, some dairy and breads, not to mention, pasta’s! However, over the last decade or so, I have “shied-away” from chicken, also. “Something” about it, turns-me-off! So, “Thank You, for the information…CE” Very much appreciated!

    AND, “Yes, David!” The “pharmaceutical industry” IS (yeah, I get a lot of graff for using CAPS when all I’m doing is “emphasizing” a specific word as we have no way to place something in BOLD…huh!) indeed creating disease’s so they can provide the “treatment!” AND, definitely, NOT THE CURE! Collective Evolution, has been doing a great job of bringing this to the forefront. Unfortunately, they can only reach a “few” and not the “many” needed to change the existing ideology that is already in place.

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    • Bobby they are not necessarily creating new disease as in cultivating them but they do take the same signs and symptoms caused by the same pathogens and are giving them new names, new fear and turning them into billion dollar industries. Three different doctors can diagnose three different diseases but this is also changing with the age of information, now doctors no what their comrades are diagnosing and they try to support the original diagnoses to maintain some credibility. Credibility, that’s a hoot, how does an industry that fails to cure anything have CREDIBILITY? that’s all our fault for believing in hearsay and hypothesis and not demanding better. I love all caps.

      A Tractor Supply and Livestock store has better medicine than we have access to.

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      • “…A Tractor Supply and Livestock store has better medicine than we have access to…” Sad, but True! (Love that comment, made me…”chuckle!”)

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        • Wow Bobby I must be losing my touch, that comment about better meds in a livestock store usually gets a different kind of reaction. Fact is, there is no medicine even remotely as effective as livestock medicine. That’s because farmers and ranchers will not give daily medications like humans do to themselves or for their beloved pets. A disease livestock gets shipped to the sale barn for a quick sale at a loss or destroyed and buried so they prevent livestock diseases.

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      • “… that’s all our fault for believing in hearsay and hypothesis and not demanding better…” Yep! You’re right-on-target with that! However, you also have to take into consideration that we are being “led” down that path of allowing “hearsay and hypothesis” to be accepted as…FACT. How many steps did the Russians say it takes to “Brainwash A Nation”…four?

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  11. Fable, a person with solid peace of mind is someone who sleeps 8 or more hours a night without wrestling with all the things they didn’t get done that day and without feeling guilty about sleeping more than 6 hours.

    I was attracted to the Collective Evolution because of an article here debunking cancer research and cancer studies. I already knew every ounce of data in regards to cancer was false. People struggle accepting that because people are loyal to their commercial science and commercial medicine.

    There is a reason the current industry of medicine, including natural medicine fails to cure anything new and all the old cures are not become ineffective.

    MEDICINE and SCIENCE today are 100% ineffective because they have no real science behind them, maybe a little chemistry but no real science. A simple challenge for all the loyal consumers here who are upset with my comment, please post a scientific medical fact here, something not related to trauma medicine because there are some facts within trauma medicine but then again trauma isn’t as much medicine as it is putting someone back together. ALMOST EVERYTHING in regards to “cancer” is pure speculation and NOT ONE WORD of today’s “cancer” research better noted as “cancer” propaganda is useful for getting the upper hand on what is known as “cancer”. Trying to cure a farce is very difficult to do. Call it economic insurance, you can’t cure a fake disease. That doesn’t mean the signs and symptoms associated with cancer are not there and that people are not dying when they are diagnosed with cancer, it means figure out what is really wrong with people dying of cancer and deal with it like responsible adults.

    A pathogen is any living harmful invader to the human body. I would give you a list but I do not trust today’s list of pathogens any more than I trust today’s data on cancer. NO ONE can prove a “virus” exist. NO ONE, sure the data and pictures makes a very compelling argument that “viruses” do exist but it can only be taken at face value because there simply isn’t enough technology for you or I to confirm whether their is truly a virus or if the medical industry today is making up names of nasty supposed viruses JUST to protect the real cause of the suffering from being discovered.

    Of course none of this matters at all because the human body is designed to be immune to all disease and the only thing in the way is all the false misinformation. No one knows a thing about their immune system. People think they know everything there is to know about cancer because they Google but they do not know the first thing about their own immune system. All they know is that they are failures in the area of immunity. Their doctors do not know a thing about the human immune system. Science totally ignores what the human immune system is capable of doing. Not one dime of funding goes to research why one person gets sick and another does not.

    THE ONLY SYSTEM THAT CAN CURE THE DISEASE KNOWN AS CANCER or any other disease is the human immune system. Not buy curing the cause of the suffering but by making one immune to the cause of the suffering.

    My research and study on the human immune system is the only research. “Cancer” is only mysterious and supposedly incurable because they have used science fiction to market it as such. “Cancer” is only a threat to those who do not know they have a very powerful immune system, which is about 99.9% of the human race.

    True Cures Research Foundation
    healingunderground.com

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    • So in other words, a peace of mind is a state of mind that is the result of a balance. A balance between too much energy and too less energy. If you can verify this, then we both agree on this.

      I am not familiar of the article here that debunked cancer research and cancer studies, but if you have a link to it, then please share it. Sounds to me that what I described earlier, is in fact true. Cancer is not a disease. It is more a certain type of behavior. I would have to agree with fisin’s comment:

      “Cancer is any cell that stops performing its normal tasks and only reproduces new cells that also do not do what they are supposed to do except reproduce.”

      This is the type of behavior that I meant. Anything that stops performing its original tasks and reproduces its current self, can be identified as a cancer, a holon with a behavior that ultimately will have the greater holon collapse more or less.

      Collapse however, is not always bad. It can also mean something good e.g. progress of something useful and have it developed forward. This type of behavior means the same although the outcome may differ e.g. the current economic system does collapse in a way or another, but the result cannot be defined by the word collapse alone. We need to define what type of collapse we talk about. Is it something good or something bad, what kind of collapse would you like to see or should we speak about reconstruction instead of collapse and so on.

      Now I am not familiar with the cancerous behavior inside you much, but I am an expert of the cancerous behavior around you. After I have been able to study your behavior I am able to detect certain components which are more or less the key components which have formed your behavior toward the environment you interact with.

      So when I speak about cancer, I am not talking about a disease (not in its respective meaning at least if this seems still to continue to be about diseases from your perspective). I am talking about an equation which results in the reproduction of an entity which has its usual tasks deactivated and have tasks which are not beneficial for the greater holon, activated. Every entity can experience suffering and enjoyment, but we are able to reflect those to other holons as well, to reproduce the behavior and its effects. This is how the fundamental boundary-condition called Karma is known to work.

      If pathogen is what you described it to be, it verifies a portion of this theory that every equation needs a key component or components which make the result go haywire across the greater holon eventually.

      How would you define “designed to be immune to all diseases”? It seems to me that there is something missing. Maybe you wanted to define how our system is designed to be immune?

      “THE ONLY SYSTEM THAT CAN CURE THE DISEASE KNOWN AS CANCER or any other disease is the human immune system. Not buy curing the cause of the suffering but by making one immune to the cause of the suffering.”

      Can you define this system which you talk about? At this moment I can verify the most portions of your statement except the system part until you define it.

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      • Fable, you sound like you are talking about spiritual guru Depak Chopra stuff. Energy work and hamana hamana energy, good and bad energy is indeed purely placebo. Of course no one can argue that placebo can be more effective than medicine.

        A person with solid peace of mind is a person who is more likely to be in charge of the electrochemical signals that regulate immunity. Now, the use and idea of electrochemical signals is based on mainstream science which I use as an explanation, they say that is how we handle any task.. How the brain signals the body to do something like driving a car. Whether driving a car or killing a disease, the body must send a proper signal. If a person has a disease it can only be a result of an inability to send the proper signals to the immune system, nothing more. Stress and fear will always interrupt proper communication in the body. Some people struggle driving a car when they are stressed or scared.

        Because man has forsaken their own power of mind and body they now turn to medicine, usually in the form of drugs, herbs and also spiritual hamana hamana in the line of energy work when the actual science is the same as the science behind driving a car or typing a comment on a blog. The science behind true healing and true immunity is the same science behind any mundane task, the problem is no one out there teaches a person to use their brain and body for immunity. They will teach you to tie your shoe or drive a car but they will not allow society to be educated on the control of the human immune system.

        Here is the link to the CE Cancer Industry Exposed as a Fraud. http://www.collective-evolution.com/2012/04/21/cancer-industry-exposed-as-fraud-the-science-is-false

        You can treat cancer as a social disorder, that idea could become extremely popular. That is the kind of stuff that people like to hear but it will not lead to better understanding of why children are dying at 8 years old. Solid peace of mind will not save them because they were born in the tragic condition. As soon as they are placed in cancer care their fate is sealed because the environment will further stress them and scare them.

        I took it upon myself to find out why sugar pills and other placebos have always been more effective than medicine. The tragic part of the story is no one today can administer a proper placebo so now the effective placebo is almost unachievable which is why natural medicine is so weak now.

        Cancer is not improper mutated cells or cells that stop performing their normal task they are cells being attacked by outside invading pathogens because the human body is devolving because of constant fear, stress and ignorance of the human capacity for immunity.

        My comments cannot be supported by Google searches, all Google searches lead to the same fate and that is cancer is the end except for the millions of gimmick sites duping people out of their money for vacation treatments in Mexico, which in certain regards can be more effective than most other treatments because at least on a vacation a person can unwind and potentially gain some peace of mind that would indeed boost some of immunity. It just happens to be short term because there is no true knowledge or know how exchanged.

        There was a time when acupuncturist, naturopaths and other natural medicine practitioners delivered genuine healing electrochemical signals that caused their patients immune system to engage now they just shove needles and herbs in people and wing it. Every person’s body is desperate to heal and be immune, society just keeps the consumer inundated with misinformation and that also sabotages the electrochemical process needed to control the immune system.

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        • “There was a time when acupuncturist, naturopaths and other natural medicine practitioners delivered genuine healing electrochemical signals that caused their patients immune system to engage now they just shove needles and herbs in people and wing it. Every person’s body is desperate to heal and be immune, society just keeps the consumer inundated with misinformation and that also sabotages the electrochemical process needed to control the immune system.”

          I am able to emit heat concentrated to my palms and have people relax. I have found that to be quite useful, but I am not sure that it is enough to treat the framework when the environment itself does not do good with me.

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          • Fable, the heat from your hands has no significance to actual healing or to emitting actual electrochemical signals however if you believe they do you could inadvertently cause an electrochemical signal that could generate some relief. You can’t drive a car without intent and you cannot stumble into a healing without at least some kind of intent.. If you were able to duplicate a consistent relief, not just mind over matter you would have something to help build your capacity to send electrochemical signals. You have to remove the random lucky placebo and duplicate the same signal and then you have something to go on. It is not as easy as it sounds.

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        • This is how I define energy more or less:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

          I agree with the placebo statement of yours. Also the opposite nocebo is equally strong. These types of environmental behavior (a pill of poison sensed by one or more senses of yours or a favorite deliciously sensed cake) is what truly makes your dog more or less agitated, ill, calm and/or happy. Not that there is something really wrong nor okay, but it is the environment that is interpreted as positive or negative that deals the action before a reaction. The more you try to withstand the environment hazardous to you, the more you risk your ability to transfer correct signal to your immune system to tackle the nocebo effect. Subsequent continuous state of nocebo will affect the relationship between your brain and your immune system which ultimately will start to have consequences which mean that now you have more than just one problem to solve.

          Thanks for the link. I will study the content later on. Much appreciate the kind gesture of yours giving me the link.

          “You can treat cancer as a social disorder, that idea could become extremely popular. That is the kind of stuff that people like to hear but it will not lead to better understanding of why children are dying at 8 years old. Solid peace of mind will not save them because they were born in the tragic condition. As soon as they are placed in cancer care their fate is sealed because the environment will further stress them and scare them.”

          I am able to verify this.

          “The tragic part of the story is no one today can administer a proper placebo so now the effective placebo is almost unachievable which is why natural medicine is so weak now.”

          This is very interesting and tragic whenever you are found to be correct. Can you show me more information about this?

          “Cancer is not improper mutated cells or cells that stop performing their normal task they are cells being attacked by outside invading pathogens because the human body is devolving because of constant fear, stress and ignorance of the human capacity for immunity.”

          Splendidly assembled statement. I wrote to you the former statement about fisin’s comment for that was the closest statement which I could find to resemble my findings. Devolving means in this case a cell which loses a part of it that could withstand the pathogen due to constant fear, stress and ignorance of how our capacity for immunity works and how we uphold the framework between the brain and immunity system, correct?

          “My comments cannot be supported by Google searches, all Google searches lead to the same fate and that is cancer is the end except for the millions of gimmick sites duping people out of their money for vacation treatments in Mexico, which in certain regards can be more effective than most other treatments because at least on a vacation a person can unwind and potentially gain some peace of mind that would indeed boost some of immunity. It just happens to be short term because there is no true knowledge or know how exchanged.”

          That is a pity. Therefore I will bookmark your page (http://healingunderground.com) so that I will find it later. I can verify the vacation part. I’ve experienced this myself consciously. It is a pity that in todays world vacations are experienced as short spikes instead of subsequent lengths.

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          • The explanation for energy and energy work unfortunately has little to no value in improving health but it served its purpose and created an industry. For the most part the whole idea of energy work and healing has played out; it never amounted to any consistency. It was and still is a placebo. The fact that Wikipedia has an explanation demonstrates the impotency of the idea. Wikipedia would never allow information that could or would damage the industry of medicine. I know it seems like there is, but if it is printed on Wikipedia it is no threat to the industry of anything important, especially the health and healing industry. If there was any value to the wiki explanation there would be consistent healing already.

            I try not to waste any energy on focusing on what is a bad or good environment other than the fact that sleep is critical, water is critical and not over doing obviously damaging acts like smoking, drinking or drugs recreational or medicinal. There is more or less an on off switch in every human that dictates when signals are sent. When a person is under intense stress or physical exertion the switch flips to off. Working out at the gym is no different than a serious confrontation at work. The energy set for immunity is redirected to dealing with the stress. The more stress we are under; be it physical, mental or chemical the more our immune capacity will struggle. Nothing complicated, nothing spiritual just pure science that mainstream commercial science which I often refer to as pseudoscience ignores.

            But that is not enough; people simply have no survival instinct other than fight or flight anymore. Their healing instincts have been lost, their internal knowledge and ability has been forsaken. This is only a result of misplaced priorities, again nothing complicated or spiritual.

            I said “You can treat cancer as a social disorder, that idea could become extremely popular. That is the kind of stuff that people like to hear but it will not lead to better understanding of why children are dying at 8 years old. Solid peace of mind will not save them because they were born in the tragic condition. As soon as they are placed in cancer care their fate is sealed because the environment will further stress them and scare them.”

            You said, “I am able to verify this.”

            As long as you can consistently duplicate the results and as long as the “cancer” work also eliminates all other conditions you are doing exactly what you need to do, just do not need all the extra clutter from Wikipedia unless for marketing purpose.

            There is only ONE healing possibility and that is when the body creates the right electrochemical signals in the right order and enough discipline is taken for a person’s body to generate the healing. I prefer restoring complete immunity cause then everything else is a waste of energy. You don’t need to give things names, you don’t even need to give an explanation. Sad to say, explanations are indeed more important than achieving full immunity which is why it is so rare. People don’t strive for things they cannot understand. That’s how placebos became popular; the placebo gave people a reason to let something happen. That’s the way we are wired.

            I said, “The tragic part of the story is no one today can administer a proper placebo so now the effective placebo is almost unachievable which is why natural medicine is so weak now.”

            You said, “This is very interesting and tragic whenever you are found to be correct. Can you show me more information about this?”

            It’s not complicated, people put all their faith in today’s products, gadgets, diets, cleanses, conspiracies, theories and pseudoscience. There is nothing in popular natural medicine that could even lend itself to any kind of consistent transfer of electrochemical signals that generate healing. Placebo is dead. You either learn how to generate electrochemical signals with accuracy or you don’t. If you don’t, you might still get a micro-placebo response if lucky but it will not be worth the time it takes to make it happen because it is too out of context. Temporary relief is all you can get from socially acceptable natural medicine or healing.

            You said, “Devolving means in this case a cell which loses a part of it that could withstand the pathogen due to constant fear, stress and ignorance of how our capacity for immunity works and how we uphold the framework between the brain and immunity system, correct?”

            In regards to the cell losing its part that can withstand a pathogen, there is nothing there to work with, though very popular. Either you know how to play chess or you don’t either you know how to control you immune system or you don’t. Both use the same type of signals. We are not supposed to have to control our immune system; it is supposed to be natural and involuntary. We just got stupid and I class that as devolving. Stress and fear divert energy, not the wiki energy you speak of but the energy that fuels our body much like gasoline. We charge are system with sleep, food and water and when sleep gets played out, usually in the evening after a long day of work our immune system is put on the back burner so a person can have the mental capacity to drive home or do the work that have to do before unplugging. I guess you could call it a framework, but I learned a very valuable lesson long ago, don’t label it. Don’t speculate. Don’t create. I took solid noticeable results and then I learned to duplicate them with consistency. I learned to fix one thing but not another so I trained myself to fix both, and then I demanded more until I realized I was only doing what my body already wanted to do and then I learned how to signal/communicate and let it happen.

            You said, “That is a pity. Therefore I will bookmark your page (http://healingunderground.com) so that I will find it later. I can verify the vacation part. I’ve experienced this myself consciously. It is a pity that in today’s world vacations are experienced as short spikes instead of subsequent lengths.”

            Peace of mind is truly almost impossible to come by today. We can tell ourselves we have it good and we have peace of mind that is only our imagination and I for one believe imagination is dubious especially when it comes to our health. Hope, well that is a different thing, hope is the only thing in my opinion keeping mankind from being extinct. Hope is simply not enough to work with and the powers that be know it and use it. All they give us is hope that quickly gets buried by stress and fear.

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    • “RIGHT-ON, DAVID!!!” Back in my twenties, I had an “ingrown hair” that simply “irritated” the heck out of me! So much, that when I could not dig it out anymore, I went to my Doctor. I was watching him as he removed the “booger” and was “astonished” to watch the wound heal completely before my eyes! My Doctor simply said, “Amazing, what the Human Body is capable of…isn’t it!”

      So…YEAH! I know where you’re coming from! I watched this huge hole in my leg, “physically” close-up on itself as if there were “nano-bots” (I dunno any other word to use) busy at work, sealing up the hole in my leg! Guess what? There was NO SCAR!!!

      Take Care and God Bless!

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      • Yeah it is something Bobby. I have three high performance dogs I feed only raw meat and bones. No vaccinations and vets. Naturally if they got hit by a car, God forbid I would take them to a vet but when they break a bone they don’t get scared, not even the slightest bit scared, they don’t get stressed, they simply stop using the leg and calcium sets it in an hour and as soon as it is ready they use it again without any sign anything ever happened. The calcium deposit might take a few years to be reabsorbed and then no sign of an injury at all. Take the dog to a vet, put them in a strange place with other extremely stressed dogs and you run freak them out and healing is indeed hindered and all kinds of complications can arise. Their immune system will drop and they will be subject to all the ailments in the clinic.

        When a dog, especially one who eats only raw meat and bones get sick the best medicine is keeping the dog comfortable and as long as they are drinking water they will always heal. If they refuse to eat their could be problems but usually they will eat small amounts and sometimes they may not eat for a day or two but as soon as they eat you know they are on the complete mend. Many of the pets that die in clinics would have likely survived with home care, relying on the pets ability to heal. Naturally dog and cats that eat commercial food, no matter how special the food is reported to be are going to struggle greatly with healing.

        The point to note about all animals out there, they do not get inundated with all the fear propaganda so that is why they can drink any water and eat any nasty rotten food without ever getting sick. They simply are unaware that everything as to be sterilized and they just don’t care. Humans are scared sick, stressed sick and have no faith in their own immunity.

        By the way, in case anyone was wondering, my dogs sleep on the couch not a kennel. They have a life that other dogs can only dream of.

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        • “Take the dog to a vet, put them in a strange place with other extremely stressed dogs and you run freak them out and healing is indeed hindered and all kinds of complications can arise. Their immune system will drop and they will be subject to all the ailments in the clinic.”

          I can verify this. The environment’s immediate affection to the dogs introduced to the environment is sometimes as good as a bullet thru the head. Reason to this is that once a dog settles into a certain type of environment, majorly more healthy one, the dog will and is in its prime state until death does depart us. Once you introduce the dog into another environment opposite of the settled one, majorly less healthy one, the dog will start to behave like it is under an invasion. Effects of environmental affection gradually fill the pool and sooner or later its capacity will be filled until everything starts to overflow. This is the point when we start to witness severe consequences. Before this happens we are always able to reduce the effects of environmental affection if we detect them (the sooner the better) and correct the behavior of the environment or leave the environment that affects the dog in negative way. Same applies for every holon out there.

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          • No not fight to the death. Do what you have learned and not quit it. What you said sounded like you were about to quit. That is all. Spiritual road? What is that?

            There comes a time when a man makes his own dungeon. Mine is not ahead, it is already now from which I intend to get rid of sooner than later. What I do is what I like. Where I am right now is not what I like. The fun is just ahead of me.

            Enthusiasm overdrive? You haven’t even seen me in my mood of enthusiasm. This is boredom. If this is enthusiastic to you, wait till you see me in action.

            Of course they need to see the result first. No one gets to want anything out of scratch unless they are showed it first. Define how it is not for us to know?

            Life will find a way. This is going to be so exciting. You say that there are no institution to support your findings? Wait until they hear about my collection. They are never going to support that, but just like yours, truth works even if someone does not believe in it.

            Technology is not the answer that makes you regenerate. It can assist you to pinpoint things, but it is not what makes you regenerate. This is common sense. Can you be more specific with your definition of electrochemical signals? I don’t actually have gurus to respect. I find things fascinating and exciting, but I rarely give respects unless I find it to be something fundamental.

            Gave them your knowledge to be used in their own agenda? What happened then?

            “What I know and what I do makes everyone see just how off track they are, even the greatest gurus.”

            This is why I told you to show me how your system works so I can discover why it really does. It does little to write and speak, but to actually show it. That works far better than anything if you want to teach something.

            Nope, you are just an ordinary fellow. Ordinary perfect fellow. It is not my case to judge.

            I would not ask that even if they would come from the other rim of the galaxy. Too boring. I would ask how fast did they get here and how rough the trip was. What is equally difficult for someone, must be equally easy for someone else. Ultimately there will be a person whom you meet and who just gets it and comes up with the correct words. Nothing is special. Special is a word used to emphasise something. Specific in the other hand is more useful. It is not so bold, but it is simple and clear word. What are humans intended to do? What is the reason to exist if not to see what we are able to do? I know that I am designed as such. Tell me something that I don’t know. Of course you should not kill yourself for others who won’t even try to help themselves. None can be dragged around behind you even if you would desperately want to do so to save them. Like you said, they need intention to follow.

            Just leave the word spiritual out of this. It is not needed. Hocus pocus doesn’t interest me unless I want to be amused. Common sense is rare, that can be easily sensed. Google is practical, but it does not replace common sense. What could even replace a sense? Another sense perhaps, but nothing really could replace a sense. It is just not logical unless it is really another sense of somekind. To me common sense includes hows and whys. I don’t need to understand everything at this very moment, but I will use common sense to describe what I know, understand and so on after you tell me the hows and whys. It is like a picnic basket full of goodies. You know they are there and you’ll understand them after you have eaten/destroyed the goods.

            This situation is not exactly a dream come true either. That is why I know what I want to do for others and I understand exactly how I do it. There is just one piece missing. The activator component.

            Immunity without technology? Explain. Why buy something if you can just do a favor? Frankly I have designed many score systems and none of them yet have had the ability to reach to a point where a favor reaches. I would definitely do favors if it would be the currency of today.

            If I want to watch hocus pocus, I’ll watch a movie. Gimmicks are never a good choice to put a talent out anyway so just don’t do that. Keep it true. My time to go to bed for couple hours. Sun is rising already. Good day!

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            • Fable, there is no market for immunity because the markets are controlled. That’s why we have democrats, republicans, congress and senates. It’s all controlled opposition. They make it look like one group is against something and the other is for it, it keep’s people loyal to the vote and it makes people easy to manipulate.

              Back in the day when natural medicine actually cured diseases it was a conflict with western medicine. Like politics, the powers that be recognized how important it was that the people have a choice of beliefs to become loyal too so the powers that be took over natural medicine and promoted it extensively through Kevin Trudeau, all the while pretending that Kevin Trudeau was letting the cat out of the bag against the wishes of western medicine when western medicine was completely behind Mr. Trudeau. Western medicine through Kevin Trudeau created the new Natural Medicine, a medicine almost as profitable as western medicine and every bit as ineffective as western medicine.

              There was a time I believed as you do now Fable, I believed that people wanted the truth. I believed people wanted change but that is not the case, sure there are a few that truly do, like myself but one person cannot change the masses. People want the idea of change, not the change. They want to imagine how it could be better but not make the sacrifices needed to make it better. MOST OF ALL, they want to TALK about making change, they want people to believe want change, they want to be recognized as leaders for change. But in the end, they don’t want change, they only want glory.

              The people in a position to take what I know and build on it and use it all got to their position selling the ideals you cherish, when I offered them the knowledge they had no use for it because they already had a proven business system in place and as I said, my work just proved their work was wrong. No body want’s to be proven wrong. I on the other hand sucked it up and took my beatings and admitted that I was wrong, now I have immunity. Before I was just like you in every way. I believe as you and I had micro results just like you, and those micro results where spectacular to me just as they are to you now. However to move past the micro results one has to simplify. How do you simplify? The best way to to do that is to forget about the stuff that does not matter. That’s where you and everyone else gets hung up. You have complicate things otherwise so it can be worthy of your efforts.

              You said something like, “show me” what you do so you could explain it for me. If I made a video of me doing what I do, it would be be me standing in front of a video camera. Do you really want me to attach a video of me just standing still doing what I do with out any eye twitch, without any hamana hamana hand moving or do you think you could look at me in a video looking not unlike a still picture and define what it is I am doing while standing perfectly still as if watching a football game?

              Sure you would explain it but only because you respect your imagination enough to put an explanation on it. Now if you wanted me to teach you what I do, obviously with your ideas and knowledge now you already know that you would have to meet me in person and I don’t think we are to that point yet. An idea, a belief, a theory, a hypothesis, an opinion will only get in the way of what the body needs to do in order to create actual healing. The more you pick apart my comments the more distance you put between you and actual healing.

              You are giving yourself way too much credit, by you own confessions here you are well on your way to becoming a healing expert. You are well read, educated and enthusiastic and you clearly have no shortage of confidence. That is a recipe for making money not immunity.

              I can sit in a recliner with my hands behind my head just as if I where watching TV and send all the signals needed to instigate full immunity, now explain that, but even though you will disagree, if your explanation is wrong your outcome will also be wrong.

              When it comes to full immunity, any misinformation will spiral one away from the desired outcome. It’s so much easier just to accept the perfection of an outcome and not worry about he explanation when results are the desired object.

              Nothing in your vast knowledge is preparing you to understand or offer full immunity but naturally who am I to suggest such absurdness? People are too educated to be immune to disease. You are too educated. People are too aware and they know if there was such a thing as full immunity they would know about it. Read that again and tell me what it really means. Either people are too educated and aware or something more sinister is happening. Which one is it?

            • Hi David!

              Thanks for the explanation on “Natural Medicine’s!” I’ve been wondering “…what happened to it…” for the longest time. “Kevin Trudeau!” of course, it ALL makes sense…now! I remember when he hit the “Front Pages” and then everything “went to pot!”

              AND now, that the “elite” have a handle on “Cannabis” we will start to see that, it too, will NOT be able to cure disease’s…as expected. “Why?” Simple, you know as well as I, that either the plant will be “changed” or the diseases will be “modified” so that Cannabis will have…NO EFFECT!

              If there is no money for the elite, in something, then it will have…no effect. There is an article here on CE “20 Medical Studies That Prove Cannabis Can Cure Cancer”…ONLY 20? Excuse me, but I’ve always read that it could cure many more than that! Now, it’s only…20? What’s wrong with this picture?

            • I saw the cannabis cure you are talking about. Cannabis gets a lot of hype because little people can get a slice of the pie if it gets more legalized but I assure you it hasn’t ever cured anyone and never will. It will make everyone feel better and in that regards some immune systems will improve but not because of any chemical effect from the cannabis, just the over all peace of mind from feeling really good. There are thousands of issues with legalizing cannabis. One is the fact that people who use cannabis often become minimalist and become less consumeristic. They are less angry and anger is the easiest way to manipulate us. Booze creates a better consumer than cannabis. Booze creates more support for our social ways while cannabis lessons them.

              When people feel good they don’t need all the extra stuff. If a home grown herb can take the place of the buzz of buying fancy stuff it’s not a good thing for the economy.

              Well with the exception of selling more Doritos.

            • “THANK YOU!” for the verification I’ve been looking for! I agree with you 100%. I just don’t understand how we have allowed everything to become as chaotic as it has (really, I DO…understand)!

          • “Yes Fable, our environment is not conducive to our health and the dog example you gave sums it up for us.”

            I have experienced that, but it will change sooner than later as I get my hands on what I need to proceed with some of the projects I lead.

            “I fought for 20 years to get people to consider change and I know now that there will be no improving the environment as a whole. The ways of the world will not be improved. We can take ourselves out of the muck and mire but that takes sacrifices and one thing we Americans will always struggle with is making sacrifices.”

            You fought for 20 years? That is not enough if you have critical information. It is till death do us apart deal. The difference between a succes and a failure is that after each failure, the success gets closer until you truly succeed. Don’t quit or this conversation has been for nothing and also all the conversations to this day. Change the approach if you want to for it helps usually, but never ever ever ever ever quit. The environment cannot be improved as a whole unless we divide it into lesser parts and assign people for those specific parts. When we share our challenges, we will emphasise our momentum into such size and speed that I have no correct word to correctly describe its majesticly gargantuan self. Then it is great that I am not an american. I have no problem with a sacrifices due to the way I think about them. It just depends what kind and how we are going to proceed.

            “The environment we live and and make our daily bread in is always going to be more destructive than constructive.”

            Actually they both mean the same, but from the equally strong and opposite perspectives, so no worries there.

            “I plan on living off the grid if the opportunity presents itself and I have already learned to live without much of what people spend their lives trying to get. That’s pretty much all we can do. Anything else is only a temporary solution and I mean very temporary.”

            Have you thought about Earthship house?

            “My dogs are immune to disease because I fed them the right food to allow them to build their organs and systems properly. They can handle much more stress than a dog raised on anything other than raw meat and bones.”

            Exactly. Right food for the dogs, right equation to have the right result. I am sure your dogs are more than pleased enough for what you have done for them.

            “In regards to humans, well we are not as fragile as you might think. I can take the destructive environment and still remain immune to disease but I might suffer some short term illness but if I pull myself out of the rat race and rest I get over the illness quickly with no medicine. Water and sleep, the best medicine.”

            Only you know how endurable or fragile you are. To me you are just perfect in both ways. Other than that, I agree and I am able to verify. Short term illness is just partially your system kicking some bad guys from outside of your body that got too close and/or stayed too long inside you. That is when you do need your rest to focus on that event.

            “I would love to see a change in society which is what the CE blogs seem to advocate, but mostly it makes for interesting discussion, to make the needed sacrifices as a society is impossible, The people in power make all the calls and they like it just the way it is, on a brighter note, depending how you look at it, we could be about to crumble as a society and then we will not have a choice but to change.”

            Change is inevitable. Direction is chosen.

            “I suggest you learn what takes place when a person heals and run without for your own sake and the sake of those you are close to because that is energy well spent and is a huge personal change. Nothing like being immune to disease.”

            If it moves, I learn it.

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            • Fable, who am I to dampen your enthusiasm but it sounded like you suggested I fight to the death. For who and why? You can take the spiritual road, the road that leads to a better world and a better way but when you get to that road you will find a big fat road block and there is nothing you can do to get through it.

              Those 20 years of fighting where also combined with learning which made the contention bearable but now that I have the consistency needed to offer what people want most and can do it in the most efficient manner the fun is over.

              See you are still learning hence the enthusiasm in overdrive. Of course there are millions like you who are still learning and in 65 years they will never know or do what I do because they have to know WHY first. They will never get a chance to do what I do because the why is not for us to know. It’s not God working through me, its just something man does not have the capability to understand, either because of lack of technology or lack of wisdom. No one is going to offer me funding so I can get all the latest and greatest machines that measure this and that and detect this or that. No science institution is going to support something that pulls the rug out from under the industry of science and medicine.

              True immunity brought about by true natural ability and healing requires no technology or modern advancement of any kind which makes it WRONG in the eyes of society. You are wrong if you think science and the academic industry is interested in the electrochemical signals that lead to complete immunity to disease. I have spoken dozens of universities and dozen of mainstream media and I have also spoken to many of the guru’s you probably still have a great respect for. I didn’t ask them to make me special I asked them to take the knowledge use it for their own agenda because they already had a platform and an audience.

              What I know and what I do makes everyone see just how off track they are, even the greatest gurus.

              Don’t think I am bitter, I’m not. Don’t think I hate society because I don’t. Don’t ask me to fight to the death because I won’t. I don’t need to fight people because they are killing themselves through their own arrogance and the diseases they cannot save themselves from.

              I still teach people, hardly more than two people at a time when I should have a dozen or more. Most come from overseas, don’t ask me why. They also try to spell the what’s, why’s and how’s of what I taught them and they too find it equally difficult. They too realize how futile it is to try to help people who put more emphasis on the how and why than they do the immunity. Funny thing is, nothing about what I do is special or even amazing, it just me and those I see being human doing what humans are intended to do and would be doing if we were not so addicted to the how and why and the technological advancements. You are designed to be superior to all disease causing pathogens, it isn’t my job to teach you, though I still do teach. I will always teach but I will not kill myself to save those who will not save themselves.

              What I do isn’t spiritual, its just common sense. That is a hard fact and it means just what I said. People no longer require common sense because they can google so common sense is not so common anymore, matter of fact it is very rare. Common sense means the how and why isn’t important but for society it is the most important.

              I’m about to be 44 years old and I have no financial security at all. I sacrificed all financial rewards in order to obtain what I needed to be immune and to help others be immune thinking maybe it would work out in the end. The end isn’t here so I do still have hope, but you get bet I am working double time to try to make up for the past 20 years of going deep in the hole. People love to buy stuff, immunity without technology and products is not what people want to buy and though I could create a new natural modality for healing, I’m not interested in taking something in it’s purest form and turning it into a gimmick the way natural medicine did with natural healing.

          • Yes Fable, our environment is not conducive to our health and the dog example you gave sums it up for us. I fought for 20 years to get people to consider change and I know now that there will be no improving the environment as a whole. The ways of the world will not be improved. We can take ourselves out of the muck and mire but that takes sacrifices and one thing we Americans will always struggle with is making sacrifices.

            The environment we live and and make our daily bread in is always going to be more destructive than constructive. I plan on living off the grid if the opportunity presents itself and I have already learned to live without much of what people spend their lives trying to get. That’s pretty much all we can do. Anything else is only a temporary solution and I mean very temporary.

            My dogs are immune to disease because I fed them the right food to allow them to build their organs and systems properly. They can handle much more stress than a dog raised on anything other than raw meat and bones.

            In regards to humans, well we are not as fragile as you might think. I can take the destructive environment and still remain immune to disease but I might suffer some short term illness but if I pull myself out of the rat race and rest I get over the illness quickly with no medicine. Water and sleep, the best medicine.

            I would love to see a change in society which is what the CE blogs seem to advocate, but mostly it makes for interesting discussion, to make the needed sacrifices as a society is impossible, The people in power make all the calls and they like it just the way it is, on a brighter note, depending how you look at it, we could be about to crumble as a society and then we will not have a choice but to change.

            I suggest you learn what takes place when a person heals and run without for your own sake and the sake of those you are close to because that is energy well spent and is a huge personal change. Nothing like being immune to disease.

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      • If that has been something that a doctor defined as amazing, I would seriously doubt the abilities of the doctor. xD

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        • I haven’t met a doctor who’s ability I didn’t seriously doubt, natural or western. What has a doctor done for anyone lately? Excluding trauma surgeons who are very good mechanics.

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        • At least to detect what really is amazing.

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    • There is no profit in letting your body heal itself.We do not have a health care system,we have a disease management system.

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      • It sure is nice to see someone else breaking through the fog Danny. “There is no profit in letting your body heal itself.We do not have a health care system,we have a disease management system.”

        Hear Hear!

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        • I replied to your comment. It is below and it starts with “So in other words…”. At least I think I did. :D

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  12. And the actual FDA source for this is nowhere to be seen. And if one of your “sources” is Natural News, well…

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  13. Cancer is any cell that stops performing its normal tasks and only reproduces new cells that also do not do what they are supposed to do except reproduce….. Cancer is kind of like Welfare.

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    • Define welfare?

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    • tbs

      Well said

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  14. To Fisin, who says “Cancer is any cell that stops performing its normal tasks and only reproduces new cells that also do not do what they are supposed to do except reproduce….. Cancer is kind of like Welfare.”

    Fisin, it disappoints me greatly that loyal consumers do not know that the comment you made about what cancer is, is pure HYPOTHESIS. There is NO “cancer is” there is only “cancer is believed to be caused by cells that stop performing its normal task”. NO ONE IN THE PRACTICING MEDICAL INDUSTRY KNOWS WHAT CANCER IS, only what CANCER IS HYPOTHESIZED AS.

    Every bit of medical data, research and science is based SOLELY meaning 100% on hearsay, speculation but the scientific acceptable word is HYPOTHESIS

    Granted, trauma medicine is a little different, and if a person needs a heart transplant and they accidentally use a baked potato instead of the harvested heart it is a factual mistake. A heart for a heart is factual and not HYPOTHESIS but the explanation for the heart failure will always, ALWAYS be hypothesized otherwise they would be preventing heart failure.

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    • What fisin failed to mention is that the cell can be whatever you want it to be. It can be any holon of your own decision. An atom, a cell, liver, human, rock, water, air, clouds, earth, sun, galaxy and so on. Only the behavior is destructive and which at least I call cancerous behavior. That way simple people at least recognize the idea behind it.

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      • Well Fable if the medical industry takes total liberty with what is cancer, certainly we cannot fault you for saying rocks and sun are cancer, it carries as much weight as the medical explanation but it carries the same consequence too.

        The key to saving little people from the word cancer and the suffering that comes with the word is to discover the actual cause or discover human immunity, either or will do. Speculating that it is retarded cells or sun and rocks doesn’t lead to an end of the problem, just adds to it.

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        • I did not say that cell or sun is -the cancer- or -a cancer- for all I have ever tried to inform is that it is the conflict between holons. When lesser holon is introduced to a greater holon, different or perhaps even the opposite of the greater holon it used to interact with, the lesser holon will suffer and continues to suffer until its capacity to withstand the greater holon is full and we begin to witness consequences. This type of behavior is what I call cancerous behavior or imitative dublicational behavior. The behavior in itself is not good nor bad. The lesser holon’s relation to the greater holon is what turn the behavior negatively or positively charged and ready to emphasise the greater holon with its charge.

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          • Fable, using the idea of holon in your theory or equation is only going to be a setback to actual healing though it would a perfect marketing tool. It will serve no purpose in understand what is or what isn’t cancer. It will serve no purpose in understand what is and what isn’t immunity. It will not lead to any control over electrochemical communication. Unfortunately it will be a distraction. If you gain some peace of mind it could help but a good movie will work better. I hate to be so matter of fact, just giving you some very very useful information because i assume you are interested in actual healing. Actual healing is not complicated at all and does not require one word or any visual aid. We are all designed to heal naturally, the ability has simply been lost because of using ideas like holon or herbs or other complicated theories. I hope you are not too attached to the notion of holon because you could do so much more by disregarding that concept. Just my two cents.

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  15. GBos

    What you fail to mention is that Pfizer removed this product from the U.S. market TWO YEARS AGO (http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm258342.htm).

    Or that the FDA has taken a stance against the wild claims of health benefits of Elderberry Juice, NOT that it’s “dangerous” to drink Elderberry Juice. Specifically, from the FDA’s site:

    “UPDATE: On September 2, 2011, the U.S. District Court for the District of Kansas entered a consent decree of condemnation and injunction against Wyldewood Cellars and the elderberry juice concentrate seized in this action. Under the terms of the decree, Wyldewood Cellars must cease making claims that its elderberry juice products cure, mitigate, treat, or prevent diseases. FDA is authorized by the decree to order Wyldewood Cellars to cease the sale of any product if it contains unapproved claims for treating diseases.”

    You’re spouting contrived, dramatic nonsense.

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    • Thanks for the “much needed” clarification…GBos!!! When I read this article and came across the “elderberry” incident, it didn’t “sound” right. So, I re-read it! AND, sure enough, there it was, “…accusing them of the “crime” of selling “unapproved drugs…” Since when, does the FDA “accuse” anyone of “anything?” IT DOESN’T!!! Therefore, it is “author’s” interpretation of the allegations this “specific” producer IS in violation of!

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  16. Franko

    And imagine, it took the doubters over 60 years to check the chicken meat for arsenic?… I can’t believe this nonsense!! – why now? – after 60 years? – did they now develop a test for arsenic in meat?….amazing … eh?

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  17. Seriously, what would be more harmful two shots of Starbucks espresso or a who Kenny Rogers roasted chicken? The chicken likely has the ability to remove arsenic the same as we do so there is no telling how much arsenic is in that thigh or breast, probably different amount is any is present at all.

    I clean living human that neither uses antiperspirants or deodorants and can go a week or two without washing and not create any lymphatic funk at the pits will wreak within an hour or two after drinking the coffee but probably would not be effected by the chicken with traces of arsenic.

    Sure the minimal trace of arsenic that might or might not be present in the chicken may be more treacherous to the human body than two shots of glorious espresso but WHO knows? No one. There is no such thing as reliable science today, only commercial science.

    The discussion of arsenic in chicken just raises the demand and price for over priced organic free range chicken. I don’t eat chicken, I eat wild pheasant, quail, chukar and grouse, not because they are organic but because I enjoy the outdoors and being with my dogs more than I enjoy shopping in a supermarket but I would never be afraid of a chicken, I have too much confidence in myself and my lymphatic system. My dogs eat gobs of raw chicken backs and necks and sometime whole Tyson chicken and they very rarely get an upset stomach and nothing more.

    I do disagree with the way commercial chicken and all livestock is raised but being in serious livestock country and growing up on a farm I know cattle are as content as clams in their sloppy nasty environment. If a cow has a choice from pristine pasture grass and dry cracked corn the cow will always go for the corn. I hunt pheasants on and around feed lots, they cattle get fed dry corn, dry alfalfa hay and silage which is chopped up corn stalks and all that ferment and they love it. They don’t get bentonite clay which is rumored to be added on the pretext that cows can’t digest corn but that is a farce. Cows do digest corn just fine, they don’t explode as the rumor reports.

    I do not agree with giving chickens arsenic but I don’t agree with blaming commercial chicken for the frailness of man kind either.

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  18. To David Flowers

    “Bobby and Fable, we live in a world where how things work is more important than things that work. How the body can be immune to cancer is more impressive than the SOLID FACT that the body can be immune to cancer.”

    How things work is the key to understand holons. I therefore agree with this statement of yours. Though I don’t understand why you repeated the same statement twice in your statement above.

    “Mainstream failing science has set the standards as to what can be considered valid and true when nothing is mainstream is valid and true. Credentials are more important than results. Furthermore, all science is commercial unless you are like me, a one person private science institution, naturally without any funding.”

    Results are important, but the results are nothing without the ability to understand the equation that gives birth to a result. Therefore it is crucial to understand how the pattern, code, equation or whatever you wish to call it, behaves. Also the components of the equation do matter individually because they are the results of their own unique respective equations.

    “All the data in the medical world today that is considered to be valid because of proper scientific validation and research ENDS at a dead end, literally. What does common sense tell you about a type of science that fails and fails and fails again and again? It tells you that mainstream commercial science isn’t science at all, it is pseudoscience used to further the industry of today’s medicine and that includes natural alternative medicine.”

    Nothing fails. They just produce results which are not useful to us. Change the equation, change the result. Trial and error, but let us not misunderstand the important meaning. You change the equation by re-arranging the components, add one or more components and/or substract one or more components. You won’t change the equation if you repeat it over and over again. That is the definition of stupidity emphasised by stubborness.

    “It tells you that mainstream commercial science isn’t science at all, it is pseudoscience used to further the industry of today’s medicine and that includes natural alternative medicine.”

    The above statement is very important to grasp. We can divide results into at least two categories. Those which are useful us and to those which are not useful to us. Also to those which are useful to me, but not useful to you and to those which are useful to you, but not useful to me. You are correct when you state that there is something weird going on in the area of mainstream science, but your focus of excluding medicine and practises as a holon, will ultimately be the reason why you lack vision, the whole picture and therefore your whole beautiful work sadly fades into oblivion or titled as misleading information. Thus exists the phrase: “Focus is good, but do not let it narrow your vision.”

    You do a great work. Just do not let your focus narrow your vision. :)

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    • Fable says, “Results are important, but the results are nothing without the ability to understand the equation that gives birth to a result. Therefore it is crucial to understand how the pattern, code, equation or whatever you wish to call it, behaves. Also the components of the equation do matter individually because they are the results of their own unique respective equations.”

      That’s the reason there will never be any significant improvement in health care. There is not even the remotest chance of anyone ever explaining how the immune system works. Wikipedia all you want but it will not explain how immunity works or doesn’t work.

      I work outside of health care. My work is private, not because I want it to be private but because it doesn’t complement the society that has been set in place. If there is a God then maybe like the bible says in our afterlife we will have the knowledge and ability to understand the human body and how it heals but modern science isn’t capable of such feats.

      But you are right “immunity” is nothing without an equation, I know that all too well. What people fail to understand and we are all guilty is the solid indisputable fact that we do not have any kind of equation to give birth to any significant health improvement. Every respected equation today and most past equations are designed for marketing purposes. They don’t have to be valid at all.

      Your comment suggest we throw the dishes out with the dish water because it can’t be understood. No judgment there, that’s the way we are raised. That is why real immunity and real healing will elude the loyal consumer. The explanation or equation you hold so dear is what destroyed natural medicine and the healings that occurred because of placebos. No one can explain how a placebo worked. They simply poopawed it so it would never work again.

      Is my work truly based on what mainstream science refers to electrochemical signals, I will never ever know and no one else will either. Does it matter, not even in the slightest. Immunity is immunity and in my mind that is more important than the fact that we will never know how or why.

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      • “That’s the reason there will never be any significant improvement in health care.”

        And that is the reason why there does. After we discard those equations with the results unuseful to us, we will ultimately stumble across the one with the wanted result. This is what I call destiny.

        “There is not even the remotest chance of anyone ever explaining how the immune system works.”

        You underestimate me. I don’t know about others, but I do know that ultimately I am the one who reveals this if someone else does not before me.

        “modern science”

        Do you mean mainstream science?

        “Every respected equation today and most past equations are designed for marketing purposes.”

        How do I respect something that I don’t know?

        “Your comment suggest we throw the dishes out with the dish water because it can’t be understood.”

        Which part exactly? I am unable to sense this kind of suggestion.

        “The explanation or equation you hold so dear is what destroyed natural medicine and the healings that occurred because of placebos.”

        I am not sure if you understood what I wrote. I have no dear equation, not a specific one, but the thought of a way to sense the correct discovery with one or more of our senses. Equation I spoke of is more philosophic embodiment than an actual equation of some certain sort. I just know where there is a lock, there’s a key. I just need to find the correct lock.

        “No one can explain how a placebo worked.”

        I am not sure if I agree with this statement. I am surely able to explain that, but not at the moment. I have a project to attend to. That I can say though is that you can never destroy the effect of placebo nor nosebo. You may simply have more or less of one of them while you may have less or more of the other. Nonetheless the answer to placebo and nocebo lie within you. If not, it is around you.

        “Immunity is immunity and in my mind that is more important than the fact that we will never know how or why.”

        When we know how, we will know why. You are however correct. We don’t need to know nor understand something for it to work. Lack of understanding does not hinder it, at least not enough. It just works on its own, but when there comes an ailment or nocebo along, we have to be ready to counter it as fast as possible. Todays world gives us not that.

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        • I said, “No one can explain how a placebo worked.”

          Fable said, “I am not sure if I agree with this statement. I am surely able to explain that, but not at the moment.”

          Good point and here is where the misunderstanding lies. Sure, everyone can explain how a placebo works but NO ONE KNOWS HOW A PLACEBO works. People know they give a someone a sugar pill and the person get’s better but they don’t know how or why. They don’t know what takes place in the human body other than the person showed significant signs of improvement or relief. Again, I am not talking about today’s placebo or what happens in blind studies. I talking about when natural medicine was somewhat effective. When natural medicine was some what effective, it no longer is, but when it was it was because of more consistent placebo work.

          The industry of natural medicine removed the placebo work from the medicine and that is why natural medicine is no longer effective but NO ONE KNOWS HOW A PLACEBO works yet everyone can explain how it works. What’s that tell you?

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          • From governmental level, perhaps you are the elephant, but the elephant of truth. I agree with your simplicity statement. Also I have found out that existing knowledge is not so helpful. There are bits and pieces there, but most, out of all, do not help.

            Not at all David. You did not seem to be any disrespectful. Actually I like to thank you for this conversation. It has helped me to simplify things. I am very grateful.

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          • “Fable, everything about society today teaches us to respect and maintain complete confidence in man’s scientific prowess.”

            Society can try do that, but it does not affect me. Let us say that I am immune to beliefs so to speak.

            “Nobel prizes and splitting atoms are supposed to really blow our minds but that “science”, man’s science which is now more marketing than actual science is no where close to being perfect or even respectable outside of what we can force ourselves to believe.”

            Splitting atoms is interesting to me at least, because I see something moving. It does not blow my mind. I am just excited because something just plainly moves. The more movement I see, the more exciting it becomes. What is the difference between man’s science and true science?

            “Everyone wants to believe in science and man is paying dearly for it. That’s why people diagnosed with cancer die.”

            Not everyone. It takes more than just belief. Also not every cancer diagnosed patients die.

            “I can personally duplicate what happens behind a placebo sugar pill when it come to healing. If I want a person free of allergies I can have them free of allergies in as little as two weeks. No products, no healing hands, no modality, just plain old electrochemical communications. Now if you accept that as me knowing how a placebo works, it is your prerogative. What I do without placebo products or placebo modalities is the same thing that happens when people hope for a placebo.”

            Define electrochemical communications? Define what people hope from placebo and what happens?

            “When a person takes a sugar pill and they are cured of asthma and no longer need an inhaler, it is because the person’s body corrected the problem because it created the proper communication needed to reprogram and repair. If someone knows how that works they aren’t telling.”

            I understand this. It is the same idea behind depression. The next example is from a video which I cannot find at the moment, but the example was this:

            You go to the hallway. You put on your shoes and you are about to walk thru the door. Suddenly after you open the door a huge elephant suprises you and starts to grope you. Then it leaves and you will witness it leave toward the sunset. Your defensive mechanism was activated when the elephant suprised you, but since it was not programmed to deal with this kind of situation, it did nothing. You had nowhere to run, but the situation got better when you witnessed the elephant walk away. Your defensive system went offline (deactivated) and everything seemed fine.

            Now think about if the elephant situation was a bit more dramatic like, you would not see the elephant walk away. This would mean that you would still be in defensive mode thinking that it still hangs around beyond the door even though it is not there anymore. Defensive state is still online in which your receptors translate these signals from outside (that are not really there) which then make portions of your body to try produce “anti-elephant” or whatever is equivalent. First of all there is no elephant any longer and secondly the defense system is still turned on.

            Depression is like the state of mind which should not be active anymore for two reasons. The elephant is not there and the longer the defensive system is online, the longer your body produces components which you don’t need which creates physical concequences. Physical concequences you can treat, but unless you know how to shut your state down, you will do treatments till you die. Treatments which you need to do all over again until you are either dead or you understand that there is no elephant and that you must get over it to let your body begin regeneration.

            “I’m not so arrogant that I believe man can know everything, but as you point out man expects to know everything and because that is indeed a fact man makes up 90% of what man thinks they know. That 90% would drop a lot if we did away with medical science because medical science is WRONG. Remove medical science research, data and supposed knowledge and maybe man could brag a bit.”

            Everything knows itself. I may be able to know too, but to know and yet not understand what I know will not take me anywhere. I may be able to know everything, but do I really need to know everything? No. Just enough to make our lives a bit peaceful and exciting enough. That is just fine as long as I can see something move. Currently this is not the case however.

            “No one knows exactly how and why a placebo works. If that bugs you it is at your very own peril because I assure you in the greater scheme of things, the how and why doesn’t matter at all. We are not Gods. I know the how and why is more important to society than results but we can all see the effects of that poor judgement. Having to know the how and why, well to me that is the definition of arrogance.”

            Depends from the definition of Gods you speak about. If you assure me in the greater scheme of things, shouldn’t you be able to know and understand this greater scheme of things before you can do an effort of assurance? If you do know how it works, then why say “no one knows” again unless you mean to exclude yourself out of that line or you know how it works, but you don’t understand it yet?

            There is a phrase “the end justifies the means” which I can see you work on when you speak about hows and whys. To me the result is why and the equation is how. Result cannot come up on its own if we want to understand it. We don’t need to understand it if we don’t want to, but we cannot do anything except ask the question out of the result we sense. Because we sense a result, we now know that there is an equation that brings us to the answer because there could not be a result unless there is an equation. No lock is without its key and there is no key without a fitting lock.

            Result is why and equation is how, but the end does not justify the means. It is the opposite. Means justify the ends. If you believe result is more important than the path you take to get to your destination, you could say that e.g. Hitler, Stalin and others did what they had to do because the end justified the means. They just believed they did the right thing. They would have not done so if they had known that it is the means that justify the end. It is your actions that define your destiny, not the other way around.

            To me the lack of understanding this is simply ignorance which does not lead to anywhere, but into the past and faster because ignorance is bliss and where there is bliss, there is no time. There is no time in the past. No time to fully sense the moment that just passed us by and whatever you cannot fully sense, you cannot enjoy. I prefer to enjoy the moment.

            “The reason I can maintain complete immunity and offer it to others is because I don’t like to speculate on things we cannot know. I don’t like to make things up and this attitude has provided me with immunity, so what if society can’t accept it, again it is at their own peril.”

            You don’t like to speculate because speculation needs brain to function around questions more than they need to function around results. You use your energy in greater portions to keep your immune system up and running. You give the portion of the rest some bits and pieces. That is logical, but nothing new yet.

            It is easier to sense the bud of a flower than its roots because you can see the bud. Of course it is not healthy to make things up. Instead of a butterfly, you would say it is an angel. Well it depends what we mean by the word angel. A holon with two wings and it is beautiful/ugly? Correct.

            It is also important to know and understand what is wrong with the flower if the reason is in the roots. It is a moment, a leap beyond our comfort zone, but just a short while. You don’t have to live in the moment. Just the period of the moment until there is no moment left and you can come back to your zone. Now you know more and probably also understand more to emphasise what you already knew and understood this far. This is what I do when I sense something moving.

            “Fable, it is what it is.”

            What is what?

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            • Fable, the elephant is certainly in the room now. That was a very long comment and there simply is no reason for me to comment specifically. You are over educated, you don’t stand a chance of ever seeing the simplicity. You can’t see the forest for the trees.

              I do not care what an electrochemical signal is or isn’t. It’s a word. The medical and scientific explanation may have some accuracy to it but then it again it may have none. Either way it is irrelevant to me. If I wanted to know why I can cure your friends of shell fish or nut allergies I would require hundreds of thousands of dollars and i don’t even have a hundred dollars so that is not going to happen. There will be no grants or other funding for me, I tried.

              Could I teach you what I know? I could teach a thirteen year old mediocre student easier than I could teach you. It’s always been that way, nothing personal. The more “educated” a person is the more difficult it will be for them to grasp the concept and truth. The truth is, your ideas do not matter and the truth is, that is hard for you to accept because you are dedicated to your ideas because you are dedicate to your education.

              I would say you have a long road ahead of you but right now you are not on the road. You are simply crunching data. I use to crunch data then I realized that it was a complete waste of time so stopped and developed the ability to control my body the way a natural human should. Funny thing is, I learned to control my body by learning to help others control theirs. I didn’t know how I was doing, I just knew the explanation I had been given was not true and I promise most if not all the data and explanations you have are not true.

              I discovered complete immunity when I realized explanations where not important. That’s the reason you will be crunching data the rest of your life when you could be offering immunity instead.

              I like to fish, I like to hunt, I like to golf when the rates go down, I like to teach, I like to help people heal but I don’t really cherish the idea of trying to explain something that will never be approved or accepted by mainstream society. If society needed to know why the human body can be immune to all diseases or that the human body can be immune to all diseases the heads of society would have already contacted me and set it up for me to share what I know and see what I do. I contacted them. If I taught you, with your super natural ability to collect and process data, you would not be able to explain why you were all the sudden immune to disease but you would KNOW for absolute certain that most if not all the date you crunch is wrong. I don’t think you want that do you? There is the fly in the ointment. How wrong are you willing to be?

            • Nice reply, David! Very, very…tactful! Well beyond my abilities…lol!

            • Fable, there is always an elephant in the room, it’s probably just me. Starting from scratch is critical in regards to dealing with our immune system and actual healing. Existing knowledge just isn’t all that helpful and being that I am getting more and more pressed for time I need to stick with what I know and more importantly what I do. A month ago I would have had much more time to philosophize. Sorry if it seemed disrespectful.

          • “… NO ONE KNOWS HOW A PLACEBO…”

            There is a chance that you rely excitedly too much on your findings. If you keep stating that no one knows how something works without trying to know how that something works yourself, it will end up poorly on everyones behalf. I however, don’t think this is the case.

            You underestimate me and all the humans, who make the world change thru understanding, and bolster change thru ignorance. This is what truly keeps your project hidden. It is not the people around you, it is your own thoughts about no one ever able to understand your findings which is why you keep them away from direct public affection.

            Human mind as a holon itself is also going to take a toll from these kind of affirmations. If you keep believing this affirmation even if it is shown amongst your current research, it does not mean that it will be that way forever. If it would you would not be able to do research in the first place because there would be no re- and search, none of us would have the intent to do so because evolution/development would be impossible and thus literally speaking, without progress there would be no perfection and without perfection (evolution, the ability to evolve) there would be no existence whatsoever.

            Perfection is something that can be examined from more than two equally powerful opposite even numbered directions each moment while the target holon (e.g. apple) of examination is currently the only one that truly knows and understands what it is (perfection) as a holon (apple, fruit) unless another holon (orange) suddenly knows (senses it thus becomes aware of it) this fundamental pattern and understands (repeats) it in a way or another in its form of existence.

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            It does not help you or your cause to repeat the line “no one knows how…” because that is false verbatim. It is also what you affirm and verify each day with which you will bolster the effect which affects your results over direction, emphasised focus over broader vision. The result is deeper focus into something specific at the cost of vision, the holon of concept. The more focused you are, the more narrow your vision gets. Do you understand what I mean here?

            Also the reason why I use the word holon is because of its background. Holon comes from the greek word holos which means “whole”. Holon means a pattern of a part and a part of a pattern, simultaneously a whole and a part. They have no other meaning than to state someone’s role as a whole and a part at the same time. Nothing more or less fundamental.
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            What I mean is your way of thinking is or has already (defined by this discussion) taken its toll on your cause and research, perhaps you feel you have lost your faith on human behavior and thus you keep repeating this phrase because it makes you feel logical and more accepted. It just takes your research away from everyone and that does not help others to examine your work.

            “Even the smallest pebble can turn the tide of the mightiest river”.

            Even if you are alone and the world seems to not hear you, it is not because the world is deaf enough not to. It is because you have decided to hide your work from the world for one or more reasons. This results that those who are not deaf, cannot hear you either. It is always best to come out and say “this is what I got, test it” than feel afraid and hide.

            Do I feel afraid whenever you affirm the values of your statements? No, I feel bored enough because what I have learned about existence which makes me calm enough to not get affected by your “no one knows” statements and yet excited enough to understand what you state excluding the line you keep repeating the most. Before you ask yourself the answer is yes, that is an affirmation that you repeat the most around this topic.

            It is okay for you to state that something is not known, something is not understood how and so on, but do not force that kind of affirmation to someone who has the potential to understand you unless you don’t want that person to understand you.

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            • Fable, everything about society today teaches us to respect and maintain complete confidence in man’s scientific prowess. Nobel prizes and splitting atoms are supposed to really blow our minds but that “science”, man’s science which is now more marketing than actual science is no where close to being perfect or even respectable outside of what we can force ourselves to believe. Everyone wants to believe in science and man is paying dearly for it. That’s why people diagnosed with cancer die.

              I can personally duplicate what happens behind a placebo sugar pill when it come to healing. If I want a person free of allergies I can have them free of allergies in as little as two weeks. No products, no healing hands, no modality, just plain old electrochemical communications. Now if you accept that as me knowing how a placebo works, it is your prerogative. What I do without placebo products or placebo modalities is the same thing that happens when people hope for a placebo.

              When a person takes a sugar pill and they are cured of asthma and no longer need an inhaler, it is because the person’s body corrected the problem because it created the proper communication needed to reprogram and repair. If someone knows how that works they aren’t telling.

              I’m not so arrogant that I believe man can know everything, but as you point out man expects to know everything and because that is indeed a fact man makes up 90% of what man thinks they know. That 90% would drop a lot if we did away with medical science because medical science is WRONG. Remove medical science research, data and supposed knowledge and maybe man could brag a bit.

              No one knows exactly how and why a placebo works. If that bugs you it is at your very own peril because I assure you in the greater scheme of things, the how and why doesn’t matter at all. We are not Gods. I know the how and why is more important to society than results but we can all see the effects of that poor judgement. Having to know the how and why, well to me that is the definition of arrogance.

              The reason I can maintain complete immunity and offer it to others is because I don’t like to speculate on things we cannot know. I don’t like to make things up and this attitude has provided me with immunity, so what if society can’t accept it, again it is at their own peril.

              Fable, it is what it is.

    • “You won’t change the equation if you repeat it over and over again.”

      I correct this. What I failed to write was “you won’t change the equation if you simply repeat the same equation over and over again”.

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  19. Now it is time for me to sleep. I will come back later today to discuss this matter more. I sense that there is something that you don’t understand David Flowers although I am able to understand you. A disturbance, contradiction, in your choice of words perhaps or perhaps the words I have chosen are making our points differ so much although we mean the same. However, I am unable at this dizzy state to have a decent arguement longer than this. Bye for now and goodnight.

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  20. “Fable, using the idea of holon in your theory or equation is only going to be a setback to actual healing though it would a perfect marketing tool.”

    The statement does not remove the idea behind what the word holon means. Theory is the holon itself. A pattern of a part and a part of a pattern. Even though I may not understand how it works exactly, I do know that it still works the way it does e.g. immune system, regeneration and so on helping me in the long run up to its limits if or when there are limits to be studied or not. Otherwise the events you and I have witnessed would have not happened in the first place e.g. your dog’s ability to regenerate and uphold its system, and bobby90247’s ability to regenerate skin tissue over the ingrown hair area and have the doctor become amazed from it.

    What the word simply states is that everything is a holon. If not on its own, then as a part and a part is always a working holon no matter how huge or tiny the holon is. They still work because everything in the existence works the way they are supposed to work. The question is, do they help us, are they useful to us or not. It is as simple as that. From that point onward it is much more easier to understand what you are saying e.g. about our immune system, much more easier and simple, at least for me.

    “It will serve no purpose in understand what is or what isn’t cancer. It will serve no purpose in understand what is and what isn’t immunity.”

    Based on what I just wrote above this statement is false. It serves a purpose, helps me to process, but the ability to ultimately understand is my decision to do so and I have made that decision long ago. Whenever I don’t understand something, then I am unable to repeat it. Even though I am not able to repeat something, it does not mean that the correct equation that I am able to repeat the way I understand it, does not exist somewhere in some form. After I have connected the dots, formed the correct equation, I can repeat it and we will be able to move forward into the next question at hand. It is that simple, but the path is what brings us the challenge. “Question is born of result. Equations give birth to answers.”

    “It will not lead to any control over electrochemical communication. Unfortunately it will be a distraction.”

    Its purpose is not to lead and gain control. Its purpose is simply to state a fundamental boundary-condition from which onward I will connect the dots. It does not define its content and it does not define what is beyond it. It simply states a working part in a working pattern of a workin part in a working pattern and so on.

    “If you gain some peace of mind it could help but a good movie will work better.

    This is exactly what it gives, but it also makes all existence very dull and boring. That is the price I have paid, but nonetheless the spark, a piece of excitement, which enflames me from time to time comes from you and you alone, my fellow entities with which I can engage in conversation. I am so excited whenever I can study your behavior and learn more.

    “I hate to be so matter of fact, just giving you some very very useful information because i assume you are interested in actual healing.”

    Who isn’t? By actual healing do you mean the body’s regenerative ability?

    “Actual healing is not complicated at all and does not require one word or any visual aid. We are all designed to heal naturally, the ability has simply been lost because of using ideas like holon or herbs or other complicated theories.”

    I know and understand that it is not complicated at all. It is very simple, but it takes time in accordance to the trivialities we have been taught along our lives. I have experienced these types of situations more than close enough and yet from a “safe” distance. Trivialities which we have lifted to a pedestal of importance, have made our world such as it is at the moment. We need to deal with those first so we can think at least clear enough for the next stage, next question.

    “I hope you are not too attached to the notion of holon because you could do so much more by disregarding that concept. Just my two cents.”

    Show me what you have and we will see what happens.

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    • This was to David Flowers. I forgot to add that on top.

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  21. To David Flowers

    “Fable, the heat from your hands has no significance to actual healing or to emitting actual electrochemical signals however if you believe they do you could inadvertently cause an electrochemical signal that could generate some relief.”

    I have witnessed this with all of those whom I have worked on. The heat itself may not be of any importance or have any significant affection, but the act itself does. Whatever I did, the emitting of the heat, electrochemical signals, relaxation, words, or anything in a form or another, it did trigger something which then did the rest. This happens all the time. The person needs to feel relaxed and have me treat him or her so that the body gets time to do the reconstruction.

    There was this time when I did a full body treatment. It was unusual because I sensed a disturbance on her left shoulder. As if there was something missing, hurt, dealt with, around it, on the center of it, black, twitching, iching or so. Something I thought I could get rid of that is. I then went toward her shoulder with my hands and the disturbance felt as if it suddenly got legs and run a short distance away from my hands. Like it was trying to escape. I followed this toward the fingers when it suddenly “jumped” back on her shoulder. I tried several times, but then decided to continue the treatment. Later I told her what I felt and she told me that she had an arrow shot on her shoulder once. It seemed too deep for me to grasp or trigger anything that might have helped. It seemed that it did not hurt her however which was important after all.

    “You can’t drive a car without intent and you cannot stumble into a healing without at least some kind of intent.. If you were able to duplicate a consistent relief, not just mind over matter you would have something to help build your capacity to send electrochemical signals. You have to remove the random lucky placebo and duplicate the same signal and then you have something to go on. It is not as easy as it sounds.”

    My intent is to find equations to answer my questions which emerge from results that I sense. Ultimately I will find a way to repeat anything I wish to repeat, but I just need the correct equation to do so. Willpower is good to have, but it easily becomes stubborness. Thus, not mind over matter. Mind is the matter. This can be understood in two ways. Mind is the matter, the area that gives us the world we see today. Mind is the matter as in it is the same thing. Just a different level of existence which we haven’t fully sensed yet. I can dublicate the process. I do so all the time, though portion of it is done unintentionally, especially the emitting of heat part.

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    • “Fable, there is no market for immunity because the markets are controlled. That’s why we have democrats, republicans, congress and senates. It’s all controlled opposition. They make it look like one group is against something and the other is for it, it keep’s people loyal to the vote and it makes people easy to manipulate.”

      I verify this.

      Thanks for the detail. I have no clue of who Kevin Trudeau is, but I don’t think that is important or what he has done or haven’t done.

      This is part of the result we see here. Idea of change overcomes the actual change too easily. We need to keep the focus on the actual change or it is just like you and I stated somewhere past these posts and keeps to be that way. If we don’t act like something has changed, nothing changes.

      I am unfamiliar of these ideals because it is probable that I don’t know of the people you mentioned. There is a phrase I think which resembles the situation where those people did not need your knowledge. “If it is not broken, don’t fix it”. They just did not fix what truly is broken, they used this principal just to keep their business running. That is something I don’t cherish nor respect. Even if it is some sort of evangelical plan of something, it must fall sooner or later if it is to break even though we are unable to see it. I agree that we have to go past micro results and that is to simplify. I always forget about the stuff that does not matter. I do this every single day and otherwise every moment if it has to be. I definitely don’t want complex things to overcome my efforts in simplicity.

      Whenever I ask someone to show me how their systems work, it means to give me the moment, the possibility to sense that which they declare to work in a way or another, in other words, declaration of existence. That is all. If I cannot sense it, it isn’t there, but that does not mean that a part of me cannot sense it either. The only exception is if that which I ask to be able to sense, does not want me to sense it or does not want to be sensed, then only do I withdraw my request. It is enough for me to sense the target as much as to recognize its respectful wish to not be sensed.

      I do understand that or I would have not engaged in a conversation with you. I won’t pick apart your comments because I want to state clearly to which part I comment. I pick apart your comments because of myself, my own simplicity, to be able to process your information one line or paragraph at a time. Otherwise I would just see words after words in a complex form which I am unable to reply to. It is not you why I do this. It is to keep my complex mind in order to train in simplicity, one step at a time. What I can do however, is to delete quotes from between these if it makes this text more perceivable to you.

      Too much credit toward of me exactly? I am not sure if I understood you correctly there. I don’t think I am well read. It depends what is it that you compare this with. Same goes for the education part. Enthusiastic I am whenever I find something worth my while. Confidence can be very tricky if it is bestowed to take its energy from something like the business of the people which you proved to be a problem in our society. Confidence around that is based on self-destruction and not just for those who follow them, but also for the people who own the business. My confidence builds up from enthusiasm and enthusiasm builds up from something that moves, in other words, just exists, in other words, just is. I have not attached confidence nor enthusiasm to draw their strength from what is right nor wrong, good nor bad, heaven nor hell and the like. I am more like chaoticly neutral at the moment.You are absolutely correct. This is a recipe for making money and that is something that I constantly struggle with my creations. I overcome my greed everytime, but it is very annoying to do that everytime I create something simple. However this is where I do gain progress which is positive to me.

      “I can sit in a recliner with my hands behind my head just as if I where watching TV and send all the signals needed to instigate full immunity, now explain that, but even though you will disagree, if your explanation is wrong your outcome will also be wrong.”

      Of course the outcome will be incorrect if my explanation is incorrect. That is not the point. The point is to learn the correct explanation that deals the correct outcome which we are able to reproduce or dublicate even if I am not able to fully or partially explain it yet or ever.

      If the source does not want me to be able to explain itself, then of course I respect its wishes as if it was my wish. Even if I don’t know how or why, it does not mean that whatever it is that makes us immune, to cease from working. It just continues its lovely job with the knowledge that we are not going to harass it any longer unless it changes its mind and starts to speak to us directly or so.

      If something works, it can be sensed in a way or another unless it denies us from sensing it, thus revealing itself as much as just to tell us “please I don’t like to be disturbed by you” and that is it.

      I verify that. If you have an equation 1+1+1=3, any misinformation will spiral the desired outcome away e.g. 1+11=12. It is as simple as that. I agree about the perfection if our definitions are mutually identical. No hurry no worry.

      “Nothing in your vast knowledge is preparing you to understand or offer full immunity but naturally who am I to suggest such absurdness? People are too educated to be immune to disease. You are too educated. People are too aware and they know if there was such a thing as full immunity they would know about it. Read that again and tell me what it really means. Either people are too educated and aware or something more sinister is happening. Which one is it?”

      For each discovery there is a unique way to prepare for them. One of them is to not prepare for them at all. This sounds like one of those discoveries so I don’t mind. What is absurd? Do you relate modern education to complexity by any chance? If you do, I agree. Full immunity? Two choices. It means I am able to withstand deseases of any kind or it means I am able to tame every possible desease, have them become a part of me to strengthen my lineage and enjoy the day. Nonetheless it is a holon that simply works the way it does, even if we are able to sense it or not. Isn’t that simple enough? You had me scared for a moment there. Not everyone are able to do that with just one line of words. I would say both. People are too educated and aware of things that they are impossible to recognize the simplicity of existence, plus there is something more sinister at work behind the curtains. Don’t know what, but it does not matter to me unless it hinders my ability to move or sense movement.

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      • Bummer, didn’t see any response to my last post about whether Bin Laden is dead or not. Maybe the point was missed.

        The point being, like everything, no matter what we are told or see on TV, we are still taking someone’s word. In a court of law, none of us can swear that Bin Laden is dead or alive. Most likely he is dead, but I cannot know for certain because I didn’t see it.

        Government and medicine work on the same structure, they know that nothing they say or do can be truly confirmed and validated and they have the public on pins and needles just waiting for the next bit of gossip.

        It unwise to any medical report or political report as truth. Medicine and government are both only looking for treatments not cures or fixes. The profit lies in the chaos and confusion. All the current data on the latest wars or on cancer will shed no light on the truth. That is the beauty of living in America, there are two sides being presented as to what is and what isn’t. You can choose Western Medicine or Natural Medicine or you can choose to be Republican or Democrat with tailor made data for whatever you want to choose but the problem is, all the options are wrong, fraudulent.

        There is no representation for the truth. There is no profit in truth, only in chaos. That’s why neither government or medicine will ever improve. Even those desperate for change are barking up the wrong tree. There is no demand for truth.

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        • He is either alive or not. That is all.

          What if chaos is the truth and order is the lie?

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          • The following just came to my mind.

            If we look up at the stars and move onward to see the galaxy in which the stars are part of, we witness the conflicts of asteroids and planets in a grandeur scale of events. They don’t ask if it is okay for them to collide with one another nor they apologize afterwards. Chaos in its purest state, on planetarian level, creates existence by what we seem to know as destruction. This type of destruction however, is not evil.

            Our countries seem to follow what their leaders believe in and it is order. Order as in control, obedience, ownership, hierarchy and so on. Order is the destruction of diverse creativity and therefore the negation of purest chaos. As humans however, we don’t actually need to kill each other to be creative. No, our level of creativity does not come from a conflict of two or more individuals because we cannot reproduce diversity like the planets do by colliding with each other. Our level of existence has a slightly different form of creativity and it does not mean we need to kill. It is a form of chaos in our minds which creates the ideas. The inner conflicts of smaller particles of cosmos. It is within the microverse of our minds in which we produce diversity since there the purest of chaos, exists.

            What do you think of this in your own mind?

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          • “He is either alive or not. That is all.”

            Solid wisdom.

            “What if chaos is the truth and order is the lie?”

            It could be. I maintain that society is completely wrong. Based almost solely on whatever preferred belief one wants to adopt. Look at all the discussion on the internet, just one person trying to cram their beliefs down another person’s throat. It does make for great discussion though because as long as the debate is about what is believed to be true there is never an end in sight.

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      • I have been reading all your comments trying to catch up and thank goodness for being able to copy and paste. It looks a lot like you are not attached to your existing beliefs and I sense that you are truly on a path of discovery but you have some obstacles still in your way.

        Fable says “Over educated by what measure? School education or datamining?”

        Both Fable, they are the same. That’s why there is no chance for improved health through school education or datamining. I do like that word, “datamining”, I’m certain I will use it in the future when I explain as I often do that this is not the day of information it is the day of misinformation.

        In regards to Electrochemical signals Fable said “I don’t care either. I don’t care what its name is or how old is it. I only care about if it moves because if it moves, it means energy is present in a form or another.”

        All we can do is speculate, nothing more. I know for a fact that our minds and bodies send and receive signals in ways technology cannot duplicate. We are wireless, we don’t need to be plugged in to send and receive signals. I don’t know how a cell phone works; I just know they work except in the case of Sprint right now! I had to throw that in there because Sprint is really letting me down right now. If we refer to cell phones as energy signals, by all means lets refer to the signals that maintain immunity as energy but let’s not associate them with bad or good energy because that is a pitfall that cannot be crossed.

        I see we got back on the explanation in some of your comments, I can say this, the explanation will not lead to actual ability. That’s probably another big reason why I do not focus on the explanation. If anything it will hinder the ability.

        Fable says, “Do you relate modern education to complexity by any chance? If you do, I agree. Full immunity? Two choices. It means I am able to withstand deseases of any kind or it means I am able to tame every possible desease, have them become a part of me to strengthen my lineage and enjoy the day.”

        I relate modern education to farce and the complexity is created for the purpose of propagating the farce. Immunity in my opinion means we are able to concur and destroy within any disease causing pathogen not tame it and use it, but kill it and eliminate it.

        The main objective of all the data and education out there is to steer people away from what is real and what is true in order to build better industry as well as population control and other political issues.

        I was more impressed with you latest comments Fable. I have always been impressed by your enthusiasm but equally discouraged by it because I know what pitfalls can arise from over enthusiasm from personal experience.

        Society is emotionally driven. Emotions feed enthusiasm and that is more often than not a bad thing. I do not give up on anyone and that takes a toll on me. What good is personal immunity if the quality of life is such that it does not offer peace of mind. I try my best to balance it and right now my 9-5 job is getting really busy and I must make hay while the sun shines. In regards to immunity, it is much easier to experience it than it is to explain it. Society fails to obtain immunity because of the misinformation and society cherishes the misinformation they have chosen to believe so it is very difficult to save anyone from themselves. Data-mining and over-education gives society endless beliefs to chose from and none of the information or data is productive for achieving any kind of immunity. I see comments here about our diets being the death of us, that is just a popular belief that leads to more confusion. There are better diets but blaming diet is putting the cart before the horse.

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        • Did I ever say that I am attached to my beliefs? I hope I did not because that was not what I wanted to say. If we refer to the signals that maintain immunity as energy, there is no need to divide that into good nor bad because there are neither. Somehow I knew you were going to say that it is not an actual ability. Then our perceptions, of what immunity is, align. Though it does not matter at the moment even if our immunity system would do the other. Result is still the same more or less.

          “The main objective of all the data and education out there is to steer people away from what is real and what is true in order to build better industry as well as population control and other political issues.”

          You don’t have to say that again. I have acknowledged this also. Too much or too little of something, e.g. enthusiasm, always leads to troubles.

          “Emotions feed enthusiasm and that is more often than not a bad thing.”

          The beginning is what I understood, but the end is a bit misty. Can you say this in other words?

          “In regards to immunity, it is much easier to experience it than it is to explain it.”

          Just like everything in existence. Doing something over is always a bad thing e.g. datamining the rock of true information from the mountain of misinformation is very draining and sometimes no rock is even found. The other way around is that you have all the correct info that you can get and you won’t stop to pause or anything which leads to the same result. So datamining, just like anything else, can be good if you can put the cork on it. At least it can be an example.

          “There are better diets but blaming diet is putting the cart before the horse.”

          Exactly.

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    • To Fable,
      You said, “I have witnessed this with all of those whom I have worked on. The heat itself may not be of any importance or have any significant affection, but the act itself does. Whatever I did, the emitting of the heat, electrochemical signals, relaxation, words, or anything in a form or another, it did trigger something which then did the rest.”

      Absolutely. This is why the natural practitioners who have the greatest calming effect on their patients are the most popular and the most wealthy. They unlike yourself convince their clients to heal. Their clients activate their own electrochemical signals and their health improves. Sometime the clients learn how to better control their conditions which is a bonus but if you want consistency and if you want to expand you have no choice but to focus sending the signals yourself.

      I was very fortunate to study natural medicine with a man who was 95 years old, a man that used a modality/placebo to cure many of his patients. Not all of his patients, curing everyone is very bad for business, you want to cure 20 or 30% of you patients so the others will scramble to get into the cured category, to scramble means to pay through the nose. The old man spot treated disease and conditions and so did I when I started. The old man, for his whole career thought it was the tools and products creating the cures, he never know it was the electrochemical signals he sent. I had more common sense then he did and I was far more skeptical of the explanations everyone holds so dear so I did discover that the healings had nothing to do with all the tools, products and manipulations.

      The key is, the proper signals download from person to person and when I studied under the old man, my body was trained in sending the electrochemical signals the old man had been sending and never knew it. I didn’t know his subconscious trained my subconscious, but when I eventually discovered that it was all a piece of cake and plain old common sense from there. It took me only months to surpass the old man’s skills. The old man got addicted to natural products and more newer gadgets and started deviating from his own original work and he started teaching his son the same things he was using and then the old man became completely ineffective, it could have been because of his age, but his son became completely ineffective as well. They never challenged their beliefs. They never questioned their work. The son can no longer cure people of allergies.

      Curing allergies take no more than two weeks for a reasonably healthy person. If you can’t cure 2 out of 10 people of cat allergies or food allergies in two weeks or less you simply do not have a platform to build on and you better dedicate the rest of your life trying to find someone who can. Find someone who can cure 4 out of 10 or better and you improve you chances of breaking away. Sheer will, will not get it done. Pure intent will not get it done. A positive attitude will not get it done. Enthusiasm will not get it done. Making up explanations, theories and collecting data will not get it done.

      Until you can witness enough electrochemical signals in the proper order so you can duplicate them, all you can do is be a comfort to people and reassure people so they can heal themselves through random signals of their own but I promise there will be no long term effect and if you become brutally honest with yourself you will see how temporary it is. You can’t see it now because you don’t want to dampen your own enthusiasm and rightly so, you cannot comfort people if you are doubting your efforts. They will pick up on it. Nonetheless, you are stuck doing nothing more than all the smooth talking natural doctors out there who make their clients feel like a million buck when they leave their clinics because that is the extent of natural medicine today, make the patients feel good about you and about themselves and immunity improve, it just doesn’t get corrected.

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      • “They unlike yourself convince their clients to heal. Their clients activate their own electrochemical signals and their health improves. Sometime the clients learn how to better control their conditions which is a bonus but if you want consistency and if you want to expand you have no choice but to focus sending the signals yourself.”

        True. By the word true, I mean that what you wrote corresponds existence. Sad story you just wrote. What a shame it must have been. Actually now that you mentioned that you may cure any allergies in no more than two weeks, I remembered that I did that to myself. I once visited a doctor because of my stomache ache and she told me that I may have celiac desease and that they wanted to do the test. They scheduled me a meeting to take those test, but I never went there. I decided that I don’t need those tests and that I am going to deal with this myself. I am not sure if I ever truly had that, but nonetheless my stomache hasn’t turned on me afterwards. Just because I decided that. I also more or less jokingly said that either you [stomache] will co-operate with me or you are not going to get food this week. The same thing with drugs more or less legal/illegal. I made a decision that I only cherish the positive things out of them and not suffer the negative side-effects at all. Well to this day I have found less than 5 drugs which do affect me positively. The rest won’t even work if not positively. They taste funny, but that is just all they do.

        “… proper signals download from person to person…”

        Exactly!

        “I didn’t know his subconscious trained my subconscious, but when I eventually discovered that it was all a piece of cake and plain old common sense from there.”

        He sent those proper signals that then activated the ability to format and re-install your subconscious so that you were able to practise what you learned from him? More or less correct?

        “…you better dedicate the rest of your life trying to find someone who can.”

        This is like reading my own mind. Very fascinating. I have stated that if I cannot do something I will find someone who will.

        “Making up explanations, theories and collecting data will not get it done.”

        You are correct. Actually there is a phrase that has this meaning. “To know and not to do is not to know”. These things won’t work. You may theorise all you want, but unless you walk the walk, you are not getting anywhere, right?

        “Until you can witness enough electrochemical signals in the proper order so you can duplicate them, all you can do is be a comfort to people and reassure people so they can heal themselves through random signals of their own but I promise there will be no long term effect and if you become brutally honest with yourself you will see how temporary it is.”

        Are you sure you weren’t in Finland and at the same location when I actually said this myself? I know you were not, just kidding. This is very fascinating. Definitely going to build my enthusiasm.

        “… you cannot comfort people if you are doubting your efforts.”

        There was a time when I doubted myself, but then someone came and he emphasised me. He did it so well that the person people see today as me, my presence alone, gives out bright and positive vibration enough to turn themselves into lighthouses shining light to all who wander alone in the dark without no inch of fear in their minds because their uncertainty is fully absent.

        “Nonetheless, you are stuck doing nothing more than all the smooth talking natural doctors out there who make their clients feel like a million buck when they leave their clinics because that is the extent of natural medicine today, make the patients feel good about you and about themselves and immunity improve, it just doesn’t get corrected.”

        True, even amidst feeling better, it does not mean that the puzzle is solved. This is one of the things that I have been trying to find out. If I am not the answer, then I find someone who is.

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        • Hi Fable!

          I’ve been following your discussion with David. What I’ve noticed, is that all you are doing is simple analysis based on “Pareto’s Principle.” Nothing more. A “holon?” You keep referring to this as if it is something “special!” It is NOT! As you said, it is used to describe “What?” Oh, that’s right…anything! Well, that’s what everything IS! Right! Everything is a “part” of something else. That’s simple “logic!”

          Unfortunately, all Pareto’s Principle really does, is expose the reasons why something occurred in order to “invest” at the right moment. It is a Formula for investment purposes. Sure, it can be applied to biology, sports, etc., to an extent. BUT, that extent is limited to understanding a specific portion of something…ONLY! Whereas you are attempting to apply it to resolving the entire equation, which it is incapable of doing…PERIOD!

          Both you and David have made reference to “Common Sense!” In reality, every equation/formula, once revealed is nothing more than “Common Sense!” At the present time, we don’t realize “How?” something works the way it does as we are not “aware” of forces involved and how they apply to the problem in question at the moment. Such as “gravity!” We know it’s effects, but NOT the forces involved with it.

          However, once we become aware of the forces involved with gravity, gravity becomes nothing more than “Common Sense!” Our physicists at the moment have built this “super-collider” in an attempt to discover various phenomena…right! But, it’s all to no avail as they are looking in the wrong direction. In other words, they are “overeducated!”

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          • Hi to you too bobby.

            You are welcome. I never said I used all that there is to it. At least if you take the information about it from the wikipedia. I never use anything as they are unless I verify them to be most useful the way they are presented. In this case I simply use the base of it. It is one of the best I can do with at the moment. It really helps me getting things done. It may not work for others though, but at least it works for me. I am not limited nor conditioned to principles which I don’t know nor understand to exist. Pareton’s principle however was something I stumbled upon and which I immediately tested. Since it worked and solved a problem, I continue to use it, in both ways.

            Base of my logic is that I don’t believe anything that I cannot test myself and if I cannot test it myself, I will find a person who can. I have methods to test many things, but usually just plain logic is enough.

            The ability to prove never implies the result to be good nor bad. It is simply an ability to state that something behaves a certain way. Good and bad depends from the direction we want to go to. If the direction should be left instead of right, it is bad. If the direction is right, it is good. It also depends from the perspective of one who looks. You understood what I said?

            I am not sure if I understood your “questioning by others” sentence correctly. What did you mean?

            If you want to replace the word holon with a word proton, then by all means do so. Currently the word holon contains the definition “a pattern of a part of a pattern” while proton contains a different definition. Thus it does not mean the same thing although you may of course replace the word with the other nonetheless. However a proton is a holon. This way it works. Also you could say stardust. That works too.

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            • “YES, Fable. I understand where you are coming from…now!”

              You made a statement in your last post “…It also depends from the perspective of one who looks…” which summed it all up! When I “look” at something, it is from my perspective. It is difficult for most to look at something from someone else’s perspective. So, yeah! I DO understand what you have written, once I step back and look at it from…your perspective! :)

          • “I’ve been following your discussion with David. What I’ve noticed, is that all you are doing is simple analysis based on “Pareto’s Principle.” Nothing more. A “holon?” You keep referring to this as if it is something “special!” It is NOT! As you said, it is used to describe “What?” Oh, that’s right…anything! Well, that’s what everything IS! Right! Everything is a “part” of something else. That’s simple “logic!””

            Based on our conversation, simple analysis is the best. The more fancy our analysis becomes, the more it misses. Not based on just Pareto’s Principle. That is what I use as a part with other principles which I have found to be more or less fundamental, but most of all, simple. They are not special because there is nothing “special”. Special is a “buff-up” word that does not have any uses whatsoever. Nothing more? Sounds as if you are waiting something special? To me nothing is special and “nothing more” is just what existence is. A holon is also just a simple principal. Nothing more. It helps you to describe existence with the rest of the principals. That is all. Nothing special. It is just simple as that.

            You are correct. That is what everything is. Congratulations bobby for discovering the roots of logic. Not everyone discover them this quickly.

            “Unfortunately, all Pareto’s Principle really does, is expose the reasons why something occurred in order to “invest” at the right moment. It is a Formula for investment purposes. Sure, it can be applied to biology, sports, etc., to an extent. BUT, that extent is limited to understanding a specific portion of something…ONLY! Whereas you are attempting to apply it to resolving the entire equation, which it is incapable of doing…PERIOD!”

            What is so unfortunate with a principal that does its job? On contrary it does what it is meant to do and it does only just that. Nothing more, nothing special here either. Pareto’s Principal can be used to detect key errors and many other things. Nothing more, nothing special. I don’t use it on investment purposes. I use it to simplify complexity from scratch.

            It is okay for you to not use this principal if you cannot understand how it can be used. It is totally up to you. For me it brings great benefit. I don’t have to succumb into delusional complexity in detail because of these principals. They still are just principals. Nothing more, nothing special.

            Verify your statement that it cannot be used as a part of an equation to correct a major problem e.g. within congress and I will eventually verify how I did it. As I said, it is very simple and flexible.

            “Both you and David have made reference to “Common Sense!” In reality, every equation/formula, once revealed is nothing more than “Common Sense!” At the present time, we don’t realize “How?” something works the way it does as we are not “aware” of forces involved and how they apply to the problem in question at the moment. Such as “gravity!” We know it’s effects, but NOT the forces involved with it.”

            We are not aware, but we sense them nonetheless or to be more specific, the parts of us do which are able to do so. You are correct that when an equation is solved, it becomes nothing more than common sense.

            Over educated they are. Lost in the depths of their single silvery plate of knowledge and education. Their focus on one thing overwhelms their vision.

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            • Hi Fable!

              Thank you for your explanation! It is now easier to follow your “logic” and how you use “portions” of Pareto’s Principle to uncover that which is (hmmm…???), not readily visible? Unfortunately, we are limited to the principle’s that we have been conditioned to accepted as being viable. Yeah, I know, that statement doesn’t “look” or even “sound” correct. Sometimes, I am at a loss for words…lol

              When a new principle or “fact(?)” is presented, it takes a while before it is accepted as being viable. And then, there are those principles that are accepted as fact, that are, for all intents and purposes, put forth to misdirect us! I believe the latter to be the case more than anything.

              There are, so many “things” that we have accepted as being “FACT,” that we don’t even question the validity of it. It is only upon questioning these facts, that we discover we have been…misled! Personally, I no longer “trust” what our scientist’s “say” as being the truth. EVEN, if they can “prove it” through formula’s and experiment’s! As we have seen with, Monsanto, the scientific community can be swayed to accept “findings” from an institute as the final word on any given research and place their “stamp of approval” on a product.

              It is only upon further questioning by “other’s” that the truth is brought forth.

              btw…”holon” can be replaced with “proton”…as the proton IS a part of everything AND IS everything…at the same time…Nassim Harramein (paraphrased)

              Take Care and God Bless!

            • To Fable and Bobby,

              I would like to thank you two for the quality discussion. I think the key point we all agree on is that it is wise to question mainstream science, medicine and especially all of mainstream popular belief. Also it is important we do not take information to heart unless we witness it firsthand. Analyze it yes, consider it yes but don’t stamp it as fact.

              For example, it is said that Osama Ben Laden is dead and to me that is only an opinion/belief because I did not put my finger on his carotid artery to check for a pulse or do a DNA test to or any other test to verify the identity. Not saying he isn’t dead, just saying in this day and age of misinformation to know something for absolute certain you need to know first hand not second hand hearsay.

              Everything is opinion until it can be observed firsthand. If someone tells me there is such a thing as a virus, I consider it opinion until I can verify firsthand. This is wisdom, because if we demand better accountability and verification and we question data we can then see how hearsay and false science effects us.

              The object in my opinion is to avoid the emotional propaganda associated with both Ben Laden and viruses so one can remain completely rational. Yes Ben Laden may have lived and died and viruses may exist but what is more important is understanding how their supposed existence is used to propagate emotions and beliefs in order to make us all become irrational.

              The beauty of it this kind of wisdom, which I experience first hand is you soon discover that you can remove a lot of hate and fear. We really don’t need someone telling us how to believe.

          • Thanks for jumping in Bobby. I try to budget my time and avoid getting into convoluted deep discussion like Holon. As I hope I have made myself clear, I am ‘result’ driven, the hows and whys do not matter so much, especially because the hows and whys typically contradict the existing published hows and whys. I just posted on the new CE topic, link below to throw something how to get people to at least question the proposed how’s and why’s of our US government. I wonder what you think about it. It may be waiting for approval.

            http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/28/what-bush-did-with-iraq-obama-is-doing-with-syria-russian-mp/#respond

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  22. Let us start a new row. To David.

    “Fable, the elephant is certainly in the room now.”

    I know. Let us make it disappear.

    “That was a very long comment and there simply is no reason for me to comment specifically. You are over educated, you don’t stand a chance of ever seeing the simplicity. You can’t see the forest for the trees.”

    This is where I have progressed. I love simplicity, but I am not there yet to state things in simplicity. Everything I start becomes very complex, but eventually whenever I sense truly simple holon of anykind, I just know that it is it. This is mainly because every simple thing I have ever done or created, I have done and stumbled upon it accidentally. By accident, I mean a result that I did not calculate before hand to happen. Over educated by what measure? School education or datamining?

    “I do not care what an electrochemical signal is or isn’t. It’s a word. The medical and scientific explanation may have some accuracy to it but then it again it may have none. Either way it is irrelevant to me.”

    I don’t care either. I don’t care what its name is or how old is it. I only care about if it moves because if it moves, it means energy is present in a form or another. It may not be present the way I like it to be, but nonetheless it is there and that is all that matters. Whenever energy is present, something moves and when movement is present, there is existence. Wherever there is existence, we can sense it and even if we as a holon, cannot sense something, it does not mean that some portion of our body cannot either. Our body also senses things. Our minds do so too. No matter which way we try to see and perceive things, the result does not change just because it is not the way we want it to be or like it to be. It has evolved into the state it is at the moment and that is what I can dublicate and the nearer it is to what I am as a holon, the easier it will be.

    “If I wanted to know why I can cure your friends of shell fish or nut allergies I would require hundreds of thousands of dollars and i don’t even have a hundred dollars so that is not going to happen. There will be no grants or other funding for me, I tried.”

    You need money to find out why you can cure people? No you won’t. You won’t need money unless you wish to hire people for a cause you don’t wish to fully or partially participate yourself.

    “Could I teach you what I know? I could teach a thirteen year old mediocre student easier than I could teach you. It’s always been that way, nothing personal. The more “educated” a person is the more difficult it will be for them to grasp the concept and truth. The truth is, your ideas do not matter and the truth is, that is hard for you to accept because you are dedicated to your ideas because you are dedicate to your education.”

    I need the measurement of education you speak of. The only thing I am dedicated to is my senses and the senses of my body and mind. That is all there is really. After that I use logic and by logic I mean thinking which corresponds existence.

    “I would say you have a long road ahead of you but right now you are not on the road. You are simply crunching data. I use to crunch data then I realized that it was a complete waste of time so stopped and developed the ability to control my body the way a natural human should. Funny thing is, I learned to control my body by learning to help others control theirs. I didn’t know how I was doing, I just knew the explanation I had been given was not true and I promise most if not all the data and explanations you have are not true.”

    Yes I am crunching data. Help myself by helping others is the data I have been crunching all this time. Gained by repeating. Nothing new here.

    “I discovered complete immunity when I realized explanations where not important. That’s the reason you will be crunching data the rest of your life when you could be offering immunity instead.”

    Explanations are not important if you just spit them out without repeating them knowingly or unknowingly. That which you do is what you are.

    “I like to fish, I like to hunt, I like to golf when the rates go down, I like to teach, I like to help people heal but I don’t really cherish the idea of trying to explain something that will never be approved or accepted by mainstream society.”

    Sounds like you have already decided that what you have there is a waste of time for others. You are mistaken there. “One by one we will rise, one by one we will fall, but one thing is certain to all, there is never enough kites with which to fly and soar”.

    “If society needed to know why the human body can be immune to all diseases or that the human body can be immune to all diseases the heads of society would have already contacted me and set it up for me to share what I know and see what I do. I contacted them.”

    Society does not know because it wants to stay the way it is for a reason. It is afraid of change and the probability to disappear from existence. I cannot blame it for living in fear, but it definitely does not help if we won’t talk to it and have it understand that giving birth and dying is part of everything. Change is everything. I embrace existence as it is and if a portion of existence does not want me to understand itself, I gladly apologize and leave it in peace. No one wants to be harassed or bothered all the time. Why should existence feel any other way? If something works, but does not want to let me sense it, I am more than okay with it. I just apologize for my intrusion and thank whatever it is that makes things work. You understand what I wrote here?

    “If I taught you, with your super natural ability to collect and process data, you would not be able to explain why you were all the sudden immune to disease but you would KNOW for absolute certain that most if not all the date you crunch is wrong. I don’t think you want that do you? There is the fly in the ointment. How wrong are you willing to be?”

    It is not super natural. I just trained myself to be able to do this. I’ve trained myself to do many things. Mostly out of boredom though. I don’t really care about what is right and what is wrong. All I care about is the movement. If I can sense it, that is great. I am able to dublicate that. If that same holon does not want me to sense it directly and/or indirectly, I again apologize and leave it in peace. Just because I know that even I don’t want to be bothered from time to time. I want to have some “me” time every now and then so why should anything else in existence think otherwise.

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  23. Sandra Gillette

    This article doesn’t surprise me in the least. Our western diet and our USA diet in particular, causes cancer, obesity, diabetes, heart and liver disease and a big market for what runs our country–pharmaceuticals.

    I was diagnosed with breast cancer in Jan. 2011. After two lumpectomies I had clear tissue margins but had one positive lymph node, and further pathology revealed that there were cancer cells in both the lymph and blood systems. I heard all about chemo and radiation and I opted out. When the Oncologist asked what I intended to do, I said I was going home to research how to boost my immune system to help me live the 3-5 years they said I had without chemical attack on my body. She recommended a book called ANTICANCER: A New Way of Life v.2010. From it I learned that cancer is an internal attack, different from a virus or infection. I changed my life and put my cancer into remission which lasts to today at least and during the whole thing I felt wonderful.

    Diet: Asian and East Indian cooking mostly. Only locally grown, organic veggies and fruits, local dairy from grass fed and pastured cattle, 3 oz. of meat daily– also locally raised, grass-fed and grass-finished pastured little antibiotic use. Brown eggs from a local free range farm using nests and hand gathering. As the book recommended, I also meditated daily to get rid of stress before it built up, and went to talk therapy and then used energy work to get rid of old childhood emotional wounds. I also bought higher PH water bottled hot from a geothermal spring. I ate and still eat a lot of crusciferous veggies: cabbage, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, & bok choy. They block the growth of extra blood vessels which feed the cancer cells, creating tumors.

    I ate and still eat NO sugar, honey, molasses, maple syrup, rice syrup or any other sweetener except agave syrup or stevia liquid. These two are the lowest sweeteners on the glycemic index. I bought dark chocolate bars with at least 78% cacao and ate 1-2 oz. a day. The chocolate and fruit such as apples, pineapple, and peaches served to satisfy my sweet tooth. I was eating whole, multigrain bread with seeds but still had some digestive problems and then decided to go gluten-free as well. I went from taking blood pressure meds to get 130/80 BP, to zero prescription meds and BP of 110/65. I have great cholesterol and triglyceride levels despite eating 2-3 eggs every day. My kidneys are that of a twenty-year old.

    I also lost 20 lbs. and cured some long-standing intestinal problems. I just had my two year cancer checkup and am still in remission. I wouldn’t change back to the diet of white flour, sugar, and starches, if I were ordered at gun point.

    In the back of that book there are 100 pages listing scientific studies on food, spices, & herbs. Most privately funded, some even in the USA. What works best is as natural as you can get. IE: instead of turmeric in a capsule, use turmeric in addition to curry spices in an Indian curry dish that contains some crusciferous veggies. Use the synergy of good food cooked with healthy spices, oil, and herbs.

    I’ve never eaten so good nor been so healthy. I am 73 years old and I feel like 50. And no I didn’t eat any chicken that wasn’t raised locally, free range and without a diet of corn or chicken pellets. It’s expensive, but the more people who eat this way, the lower the cost will be.

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  24. Fable, “Somehow I knew you were going to say that it is not an actual ability.”

    I do classify it as an “ability”. In my opinion it is the most pristine and natural ability man has for surviving and it is the most overlooked.. You and everyone you know should be completely in charge of your immunity because you have the ability to be immune. We can call it energy if you want as long as it is understood that it is controlled in much the same manner as a cell phone call or a light switch, not based on positive thought.

    Naturally positive thought can stimulate a signal that might generate the relief we have so often talked about but it is not a controlled signal.

    I fully understand the significant value of explaining why I can make a person immune to disease and I would love an explanation but I do not have much faith in man’s ability to explain something that is so internal and hard to witness. Anyone can witness the results but witnessing the body process the communication and reacting to it is going to be very difficult if not impossible.

    Anyways, for the research to be done on what I do, there will have to be someone interested in it, someone who has all the money and gadgets to do the research and study. I haven’t met that person or institution yet though I have tried for 20 years. I haven’t quit. My goal is to teach as many people to be immune as possible in hopes that the knowledge will reach someone in a position to truly research it but again without a commercial demand for such research I do not foresee it happening.

    So mostly I just hope that one day the results will be what people demand.

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    • “What do you think of this in your own mind?”

      I started to think on it and I got a headache. :) Too much thinking is hard on me. That should give you an idea of how easy it is to come by full immunity. I enjoy the simple things in life, things that have been available from the beginning of man. That is where I direct my thoughts.

      I harp on the beliefs and disorder so much because they muck up the simple things and essentially make them unobservable to the untrained eye. I’m not talking about a walk on the beach or a sun set, I’m talking about the bare necessities of survival. Now that I know disease is no threat, my whole outlook on life is completely different. I no longer ponder the mysteries, the why’s and the what if’s like I use to.

      I think the ways of the world is going to crash and it cannot be stopped so I only think about what I have control over. Doesn’t stop me from telling others about the wonders of keeping it simple but I rarely get through to people. Capitalism is the key to man’s destruction.

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      • I also experienced headache. I usually do whenever I find myself to think either too deep or too long without proper pauses along the way. Good workout for brains though if you get the hang of it, with proper pauses that is. :)

        I have a hard time to enjoy things in life inside closed apartments for the world is not in them. Best way for me to enjoy things in life is to go outside since I feel the world is my home. I slowly rot and decay inside this illusion of a home if I stay here too long periods at a time.

        Thus I’ve come to a conclusion that home is where the heart is and my heart is the world. For this world, the wise mind is to teach it how to channel its wildest feelings. I feel at home for this world has no walls. World has no walls.

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  25. Sounds like the FDA does whatever their owners tell them to do.

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    • You are incorrect.

      Arsenic is in water. The FDA has always said arsenic is in chicken feed. The question is does. You are showing a serious lack of understanding of biology and chemistry. Arsenic is a very common substance. It’s in a lot of things. The dose level is the key. Holy moses chicken little.

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    • EXACTLY Gary. But do not underestimate who owns the FDA, anyone with a product to be marketed and money behind it can own a slice of the FDA or any part of our government. The Organic growers own their share too, just not enough money but topics like this will generate more money for the Organic growers and free range chicken farms so they will get some extra pull. Not a lot of extra pull but they will be able to afford to make some new claims for marketing purposes just not on the same level as the commercial growers.

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