FDA Finally Admits Chicken Meat Contains Cancer-Causing Arsenic


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After years of sweeping the issue under the rug and hoping no one would notice, the FDA has now finally admitted that chicken meat sold in the USA contains arsenic, a cancer-causing toxic chemical that’s fatal in high doses. But the real story is where this arsenic comes from: It’s added to the chicken feed purposely!

Even worse, the FDA says its own research shows that the arsenic added to the chicken feed ends up in the chicken meat where it is consumed by humans. So for the last sixty years, American consumers who eat conventional chicken have been consuming arsenic, a known cancer-causing chemical.

Until this new study, both the poultry industry and the FDA denied that arsenic fed to chickens ended up in their meat. The fairy-tale excuse story we’ve all been fed for sixty years is that “the arsenic is excreted in the chicken feces.” There’s no scientific basis for making such a claim, it’s simply what the poultry industry wanted everybody to believe.

Now the evidence is so undeniable that the manufacturer of the chicken feed product known as Roxarsone has decided to pull the product off the shelves. Interestingly enough, the manufacturer that has been putting arsenic in the chicken feed for all these years is Pfizer — the very same company that makes vaccines containing chemical adjuvants that are injected into children.

Technically, the company making the Roxarsone chicken feed is a subsidiary of Pfizer, called Alpharma LLC. Even though Alpharma now has agreed to pull this toxic feed chemical off the shelves in the United States, it says it won’t necessarily remove it from feed products in other countries unless it is forced by regulators to do so. As reported by AP:

“Scott Brown of Pfizer Animal Health’s Veterinary Medicine Research and Development division said the company also sells the ingredient in about a dozen other countries. He said Pfizer is reaching out to regulatory authorities in those countries and will decide whether to sell it on an individual basis.”

But even as its arsenic-containing product is pulled off the shelves, the FDA continues its campaign of denial, claiming arsenic in chickens is at such a low level that it’s still safe to eat. This is even as the FDA says arsenic is a carcinogen, meaning it increases the risk of cancer.

The National Chicken Council agrees with the FDA. In a statement issued in response to the news that Roxarsone would be pulled from feed store shelves, it stated, “Chicken is safe to eat” even while admitting arsenic was used in many flocks grown and sold as chicken meat in the United States.

What’s astonishing about all this is that the FDA tells consumers it’s safe to eat cancer-causing arsenic but it’s dangerous to drink elderberry juice! The FDA recently conducted an armed raid in an elderberry juice manufacturer, accusing them of the “crime” of selling “unapproved drugs.” Which drugs would those be? The elderberry juice, explains the FDA. You see, the elderberry juice suddenly becomes a “drug” if you tell people how it can help support good health.
The FDA has also gone after dozens of other companies for selling natural herbal products or nutritional products that enhance and support health. The FDA is also waging a war on raw milk which it says is dangerous. Currently in America, thee is a food and drug regulatory agency that says it’s okay to eat arsenic, but dangerous to drink elderberry juice or raw milk.

Sources:

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/burlington_county_times_news/fda-some-chicken-may-have-small-amount-of-arsenic/article_0ecc5758-91f7-11e0-a572-001a4bcf6878.html

http://www.grist.org/food-safety/2011-06-08-fda-admits-supermarket-chickens-test-positive-for-arsenic

http://www.naturalnews.com/032631_elderberry_juice_FDA_raid.html

http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/08/fda-finally-admits-chicken-meat-contains-cancer-causing-arsenic.html


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  1. Incredibly irresponsible “reporting”. This site wants clicks and for you to buy the snake oil products their advertisers offer. Try doing some actual research, sheep, instead of head-bobbing in agreement with such obvious and absolute bulls**t.

  2. nice info thank’x for sharing good job

  3. joey szekeres

    Arsenic is in rice too and I’m sure some other things… We can’t win em all and we try our best to eat the best but sometimes it does not happen. Drink pure water along with other good things to help rid the body of junk!! Enjoy your life as long as it last for we don’t know when we go….

  4. Brian

    Certainly hope none of you chicken-littles have any gold jewelry or other gold items around the house, since they’d also have arsenic.

    Oh, by the way, it’s also in ground water and AIR. Better stop consuming those as soon as possible. (Please do.)

    • Yep it is often in people’s well water, in many cases it is in dangerous amounts but no one will know because if laboratories came in and tested and made it public property values would drop and we can’t have that so lots of people are harming themselves to save property value. I agree, the arsenic in chicken is the least of societies worries. The biggest worry should be the complete utter failure of today’s health care industry to cure or prevent disease, and that includes “natural medicine” as well not that it has been rendered completely and utterly impotent.

      Nothing in this world more fragile than modern man, getting more fragile by the day, not because of arsenic or GMO foods but because of ignorance. We are drowning in information today but starving for wisdom.

  5. lol This is stupid. More WorldTruth bs. Somebody finds an inert chemical somewhere and blows a wolf whistle. And stop demonizing the FDA. If some nut starts claiming that elderberry juice miraculously cures AIDS and other diseases without a single clinical trial to support their claim, they are selling an illegal substance, especially after these people have promoted it as a drug for treating such ailments. There are people out there who would take said “drug” in place of legitimate treatment.

    • Beverly Young

      Marcell, you must work for a pharmaceutical company. I would believe any herbal product over chemical products anyday. So called “legitimate products” are killing people!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Beverly Young says to Marcell: “Marcell, you must work for a pharmaceutical company. I would believe any herbal product over chemical products anyday. So called “legitimate products” are killing people!!!!!!!!!!!””

        This comment by Beverly is the REASON no one ever gets healthier today. Please, humble yourselves just for a moment. ALL MEDICINE FAILS,, BOTH PHARMACEUTICAL and “HERBAL”. Neither is curing or preventing anything. Man is getting more and more fragile by the day.

        No disrespect to Beverly because everyone is guilty. Here is how the manipulation went down.

        30 years ago “natural medicine”, OLD SCHOOL natural medicine was effective. People started talking about how great “natural medicine” was and how it cured this and cured that and make no mistake, old school natural herbal medicine did cure this or that. The problem then was the fact that like today, pharmaceutical medicine did not cure or prevent any disease and old school “natural medicine” was showing it up. Something had to be done. BUT WHAT?

        I will tell you, the way to manipulate consumers into doing what you want them to do is to give them no choice but to do what you want them to do but MAKE consumers believe it is “THEIR” idea. Here is how it worked and consumers LOVED it. You see, use to, all “natural medicine” doctors or practitioners were taught by individuals who were ALREADY effective healers, individuals who could cure and prevent diseases. This is what the industry of health care had to stop so those in charge of failing pharmaceutical medicine decided to be the only options in town. They decided that natural practitioners of “natural medicine” should go through them and such and be licenses to practice and trained by the same failures who train pharmaceutical doctors. Pharmaceutical medicine took over “herbal medicine” and all health and healing and changed the way people learned to practice “natural medicine”. Modern medicine now trains EVERYONE to fail.

        ALL YOUR CHOICES FOR HEALTH CARE COME FROM THE SAME SOURCE and all healthcare so called “professionals” except trauma surgeons are TRAINED to fail. Many years ago, natural healers were taught, not trained, to heal today they are only trained to fail.

        HERBS are almost always PLACEBO and the way PLACEBOS worked when old school natural medicine was effective was though getting the PLACEBO from someone taught on how to use them to make them effective PLACEBOS. Natural healers 30+ years ago knew how to heal using PLACEBO products where natural doctors and practitioners today can only sell product like herbs. They have NO TALENT to heal or cure disease.

        It’s like politics, the powers that be give you two wrong choices and people pick which wrong they want to be loyal to and then they manipulate themselves into believing in WRONG.

        The same powers that be offer you failing pharmaceutical medicine or today’s modern failing “natural medicine” and as consumers people feel obligate to pick one and be loyal to it. It is socially unacceptable to not be loyal to one of the mainstream failures. This is why no one ever learns the truth about their own health and how they can be immune to disease.

        The answer to any health care need is found outside of today’s health care industry. YOU ARE DESIGNED TO BE IMMUNE TO ALL DISEASE.

      • Tara Marks

        Beverly I agree. I worked for pharma and it’s evil to the CORE. As a chemist you cold not believe the things i saw or heard in pharma or food- diluting mold, passing things that failed. list goes on and on and bottom line they are done to save MONEY.

  6. ES

    Can the author / website provide us readers with the FDA statement or research link? I’d like to read it.in full to educate myself. Thank you

  7. thank God i have my herbalife products to give me good nutrition and detox back all the bad food that i have consumed.

    • brain

      lol how you’re not serious?

  8. While there will never be a “perfect” solution to our food and eating habits. We can choose to eat healthy. I might be “game” for wild game, and wild berries. Nothing is perfect. Everyone is stirring the pot on what is and isn’t going to kill us and harm us. I try to buy organic as much as possible but is that going to come done the pike in 50 years that the organic I was eating was somehow tampered with. Very possible.

  9. We are screwed! Anther example of how our government is slowly killing us off and we are paying them to do this to us!

  10. figgy

    So who do we sue first?

    • The whole industry of science is commercialized science for hire and because they do not stand behind fact they have an out in every lawsuit, so you can only sue yourself for being gullible enough to accept today’s science as anything more than a hypotheses, otherwise known as best guess.

      • Tom Creegan

        True Immunity brings up a curious point; scientists and science labs aren’t being sued. Lawsuits are filed at an enormous rate; doctors, corporations, property owners, fast food restaurants, the EPA, you name it. But not scientists or science labs. Basic science I can understand; exploring new areas w/o apparent application. But applied science creates products and procedures, surely open to liability. Hmm……

        Also wanted to update everyone on the use of the word hypothesis in science; it is not the same as standard usage. In science a hypothesis is a testable logic statement. Kinda technical, I know.

        Tom in Colorado

        • Tom says: “In science a hypothesis is a testable logic statement.”

          The problem is the “logic” which is also opinion. For example someone just asked me if
          the disease known as “herpes” isn’t sexually transmitted why does it often occur after sexual intercourse.

          Bias, bias and bias. If we were to speak logically, just about everything could be blamed on sexual intercourse, even the common cold because a lot of people are having sex and having it often everything is going to happen after sexual intercourse. It is believed the disease known as “herpes” is passed through sexual intercourse, very respected hypothesis but there is room for error.

          Just some FYI, not a single person in the world can PROVE a sore is caused by a virus. The disease known as “herpes” is believed to be caused by a virus and logically they cannot disprove but nor can they prove it.

          If the disease associated with the word “herpes” is viewed in a more logical unbiased light, it is relatively easy to cure and prevent. It is impossible to cure the unprovable illusive virus but when the sores turn out to be something other than viral it gets darn easy to cure and prevent.

          The Herpeselect test used to diagnose people with “herpes” only detects an antibody believed to be elevated in numbers because believed presence of a virus no one could truly proves to exist, and certainly there is no way to prove that the REAL cause of the sores wouldn’t cause higher IgG count, further more there is no way to prove that the person didn’t have an elevated IgG count months or years before they had their first sore. The only way it could be proven is everyone went for a Herpeselect test and see just how many people test positive that have never had a sore or rash. Unfortunately the medical industry often refuses to offer the test unless sores are present. Isn’t that queer? I will bet that 99 out of 100 people who suffer severe allergies will test positive for an elevated IgG count but what lab will work with that kind of idea?

          Science is for hire, and only one thing proves true time and time again, science always falls just short of the cure or prevention.

          • andrew

            Are you serious??? You aren’t aware that we know EXACTLY what the herpes virus looks like, can identify it, and have endless amounts of research on it? What is this magical cure that you claim to have for herpes? Your arguments against Logic are riddled with logical fallacies. If you can actually learn to use logic, you’ll realize what nonsense you’re spewing.

          • Andrew says:”Are you serious??? You aren’t aware that we know EXACTLY what the herpes virus looks like, can identify it, and have endless amounts of research on it? What is this magical cure that you claim to have for herpes? Your arguments against Logic are riddled with logical fallacies. If you can actually learn to use logic, you’ll realize what nonsense you’re spewing.”

            Thank you Andrew and your comment is a perfect example of the problem. You say “WE know EXACTLY” and you will defend that to the literally death or yourself. I’m not sure why, I assume it is pride,

            The truth is “WE” know exactly what a herpes virus is BELIEVED to look like because science BELIEVES they have isolated on ONE or TWO rare occasions where they could photograph it, but “WE” don’t know because “WE” didn’t isolate it and take the picture, furthermore “WE” don’t know what it was they took a picture off, “WE” only know that what they took a picture of is believed to be the supposed illusive “herpes” virus. No one can prove it through a photo, it could be anything, a particle of something. People BELIEVE there are test that actually detect the virus, but there is no such test, no matter what people believe.

            I don’t care about “endless amounts of research” by people who cannot cure or prevent disease, the research is their best guess and as such failure is their outcome.

            As for the magical cure, it depends on what is causing the sores, being that they are most likely NEVER caused by a virus it means it is either an allergic reaction or a more easily manageable problem like fungus.

            ALL SKIN DISEASE IS FUNGUS unless it is an allergic reaction. If the sores are fungal in nature fungicides will cure it. Many a teenager with jock itch who test positive for the IgG antibody in the HerpesSelect test have only jock itch. It’s a bit comical I know, imagine a teen itching and scratching for weeks and even months using Valtrex when all they need is an over the counter can of Jock Itch Spray. Happens all the time, doctors will test anyone for “herpes” if the rash or sore is on the genitalia area.

            Not all fungus is a itchy rash, for example psoriasis is also 100% fungus and early patches of it look pretty much like a any “herpes” outbreak.

            If the OB is associated with a “trigger food” then you know it is an allergic reaction to the “trigger food”. Sure you will naturally disagree because you have “researched” it on Google but what you can’t disagree is that your sources have failed miserable to cure or prevent the suffering so clearly they are not experts. And clearly if they can keep people believing in an illusive unprovable virus being the monster it will ALWAYS remain incurable and unpreventable in today commercialized fictional science and medicine.

            So, as you can see the you part of “WE” doesn’t know anything more than anyone else here who fails to cure or prevent the disease fictionally known as “herpes” and if you choose to keep your loyalties to your misinformation be thankful you do not have sores because your loyalties make you helpless.

          • andrew

            As a matter of fact, it is possible to actively WATCH a virus infect a cell! It can be done with optical microscopes now. It is easily possible to observe them, and to watch their mechanism of action. They can be observed multiplying within the cell, the cell bursting, and the viruses subsequently infecting other cells.

            And who are you to assume that I don’t have firsthand experience?

            And virus observation is FAR from rare. It is common. easy and common. To deny this is childish and downright denial. Have you ever looked at a virus through a microscope? Because tens of thousands of people have. Your own personal incredulity is ridiculous in the face of mountains of evidence, while your magical claims have none.

            If you can prove to me that viruses not exist, then I am totally open to believing you. If you can provide ANY peer-reviewed, solid, undeniable evidence then I will be on your side. But as of now, all you say is that evidence is useless, so why should I believe you in any measure? You’re making baseless claims.

            What is your goalpost for viable evidence?

          • Yeah, yeah Andrew say whatever you want to say about how great you and commercialized science for hire is, the fact remains anyone who is supposedly looking at a virus attacking a cell is being told what they are looking at meaning HEARSAY. If you want to impress me or anyone suffering from any disease you will have to start from scratch and produce some results. You know, like a cure or prevention, oh wait a minute you don’t know.

            Neither you or commercial science for hire is producing cures or preventions. You only know what you are told you know. You simply are not qualified because if you were an expert on the subject you would be doing what experts do, SOLVE problems.

            Every bit of data and everything you may look at under a microscope sets you up to fail otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Far as you know, you might have been looking at fungus attacking the host.

            Think of how much credibility you would have if you could cure and prevent disease, think how nice it would be for medical science to deserve the credit being dolled out to it. Think about what it would be like to succeed and then get back to me and the other people reading this.

            The disease fraudulently known as “herpes” is either fungal sores or allergies and no one can prove otherwise and I can prove it is easily cured and prevented even if commercial science for hire refuses to validate TRUTH.

          • Save your breath, Andrew. True Immunity is truly immune from intelligent discourse and facts; his thick cranium is impervious to learning and comprehending anything beyond fairy stories fake health and news sites post in an effort to get the public to spend billions per year on useless at best, deadly at worst “natural” cure-alls.

      • Nicole

        True immunity you are dropping knowledge in this forum. I have read all your comments on this subject; you have me very curious and I would be so grateful if we could engage in dialouge some other way. Peace.

        • Nicole says: “True immunity you are dropping knowledge in this forum. I have read all your comments on this subject; you have me very curious and I would be so grateful if we could engage in dialouge some other way. Peace.”

          Thanks Nicole, I can understand why you would want to engage in dialogue some other way to avoid conflict with those who are fiercely loyal to the failure of mainstream commercialized science for hire. You can always click on my handle here and reach me through FB if you are not up to the tough talk here.

      • jumbybird

        Do you have any clue how science works? Do you even know what you are talking about?

        • jumbybird says: “Do you have any clue how science works? Do you even know what you are talking about?”

          I not only know how COMMERCIALIZED science works I know exactly why it fails every time. It’s really just common sense. It’s not used to prevent, cure or improve health, it is science for hire for maintaining the most profitable industry known to man, the only industry that fails 99% of the time but gets paid none the less. Don’t we wish we could all get paid to fail?

          There is no market for real science so there is no demand for it. The current industry of health care hates real science.

  11. Carolyn

    If I have been consuming arsenic for 60 years why haven’t I died from it yet? I think everyone in the FDA and anyone aware of this should be fired, fined and sentenced. Maybe feed them arsenic-laden chicken every single day.

    • Char G

      When I moved to NY, I incorporated a LOT more chicken into my diet….. as a “healthy” way to eat. 5 years later I was diagnosed with Kidney cancer and then 6 months later with Lymphoma. Before moving I was eating the “dreaded” beef and pork. Still think chicken is harmless?
      I’m going to find a lawyer who will take my case.

    • Tom Creegan

      Hi Carolyn, Feeding the FDA staff arsenic-laden chicken won’t be much of a punishment. Your first sentence has the answer: You have been eating arsenic for 60 years and haven’t died yet. In fact, everyone who eats potatoes or drinks water from a spring consumes arsenic. It is a naturally occurring element found everywhere in nature. Your body has evolved to handle it. Arsenic creates a problem only when taken in higher doses than your body can handle. Keep your digestive tract and kidneys in great shape and eat all the factory-farmed chicken you want.

      Tom in Colorado

  12. The question here is what left for as to eat? Crazy cows, pork is dirty and so on…

  13. What’s the reason for adding the arsenic? Or is it that the arsenic is simply a natural occurring substance in whatever the feed is? Apple seeds, seeds contain arsenic.

    • It’s an appetite stimulant and helps reduce gut disease. It’s also part of Vitamin B12.

      Unfortunately this article fails to mention what form the arsenic is in, the actual detected amount or the dose required to be a problem. It’s organic arsenic being fed which is not considered carcinogenic. Inorganic levels tested in chicken livers at 3ppm. To be fair, livers are tested because that’s where inorganic heavy metals collect, however it’s triple the accepted level of 1ppm in foods, hence the recall. You would need to eat over 300g of chicken livers to exceed your weekly Arsenic intake (can’t compare chicken meat as no details were provided).

      Sadly it only takes five minutes to research the actual facts, and the author of this article needs to improve their journalism. As it stands, the article is flawed, misleading and not credible.

      • Skyler

        Silvia, you’re thinking of Cyanide not Arsenic. There is no such thing as organic arsenic according to actual chemical definitions, because Arsenic is an inorganic metalloid. Arsenic can be naturally derived, but it is still inorganic and incredibly harmful to most living things (chemically speaking). Cyanocobalamin is the synthetic Vitamin B12 that produces cyanide in the body that digests it; Methylcobalamin is the natural vitamin B12 with no toxins. Just thought you and everyone who sees this should know.

        • Kayel

          And on the ingredients label, Cyanocobalamin is in most energy drinks.

        • jabberwolf

          Skyler its present in many minerals and very common… though not organic, which leads many to think its man-made – which is not true.
          Trace amounts are not dangerous and very natural. What is missing from this article is HOW MUCH?!?

        • David

          Apples have arsenic in them. Try again.

          • Don’t apples have cyanide in the seeds too?

    • Kevin

      Population reduction. That simple.

      • jabberwolf

        I have eaten chicken all my life and got a girl pregnant… so no… I don’t think so.

    • figgy

      The real question is who do I sue first..

  14. DOminic

    I have come to a human conclusion that anything u buy is not really trustworthy,therefore we shoud be all gentlemen farmers & grow our own food.Carnivores eat yur heart out,Im going to try to convince my family to become REAL VEGETARIANS NO GMO PRODUCE

    • DOminic, being a vegetarian is interesting notion, it means being an Herbivore instead of an Omnivore. What herbivore do you compare you mental capabilities too?

      True vegetarians have pretty much ONLY fight or flight mode, no capacity to formulate and process data. Basically vegetarians are food so all they have is fight or flight? Maybe carnivores and omnivores require certain proteins not found in vegetation? I don’t know. I just know that herbivores are incapable of real intellect where omnivores are the top of the charts in intellect. Hmmm?

      • That is completely false and has no basis whatsoever. Being a vegetarian has no impact on your health. You are able to get all nutrients you would need, including all required proteins and amino acids, through non-animal food. Eating a completely meat-free diet can be healthier than one with meat. It can help those with certain disorders.

        What you have stated is extremely offensive. Some of the brightest minds in the world were/are vegetarians. Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison, Nikola Tesla, Steve Jobs… All were vegetarians for part of or most of their life.

        Do a little research in to what you post before you assert it as fact.

        I’m not a vegetarian. I love meat dearly. I just cringe when people fail to do research before claiming things.

        • Lloyd, you take offense way too easily. You got emotion which lead you to be irrational.

          You made statements about vegetarian effects on health as if I said being a vegetarian is bad for one’s health. I did not say that. I said we have no way of knowing if it is bad or good. You believe you can get all the nutrients and proteins one needs but there is no science or evidence to even suggest that because EVERYONE is still sick and diseased no matter what they eat. If you could say vegetarian diets lead to full and complete immunity to disease and it actually did then we could say that you can get everything you need from a vegetarian diet. NO I AM not saying people who eat meat are healthier than vegetarians, I’m saying commercial modern science which is what you base your OPINIONS on fail to offer preventions and cures so today’s science has no credibly of validity and as such one cannot know what is more healthier.

          My observations are based on indisputable fact whether you choose to agree or not. Those brilliant men you mentioned are brilliant because they are OMNIVORES not herbivores. They may have chosen to be vegetarians at one time or another but they are capable of impressive thought processes because they are omnivores. Why that offends you I do not know. Herbivores, which we are not, only have fight or flight capabilities with some rare exception that are not that impressive but exceptions. Hit an elephant with a stick often enough they will learn to raise their leg.

          So you “CRINGE” away, but if you want real wisdom you will read my comments again and be grateful for the wisdom I shared because it is indisputable far better than belief. You got ugly with me because you missed the point entirely. Humans are omnivores because like yourself you eat both meat and vegetation and here you are still alive and kicking. Being a vegetarian is a choice and there is NO science capable of arguing that eating meat or being a vegetarian is better than the other because today’s science is a complete UTTER failure when it comes to improving health in humans and pets. Only livestock gets to enjoy the benefit of real quality science and health care because there is NO MONEY in sick livestock.

          I have no use for your research unless it provides a solid cure or constant prevention anything else is just pure opinion and speculation being boasted about through highly credentialed frauds and failures. If you want to do some real research click on my name and see what wisdom really is.

          • Well, David, it’s clear to see by the comments people make, that they have been totally “brain-washed!” Even when presented with the “truth”, as you have done, “they” would rather believe the…”LIES!!!”

            As you mentioned in an earlier response, an “over-the-counter” fungus cream can “cure” skin cancer. Well, I’m watching these, so-called, skin cancer “spots” disappear! What’s up with that? No one else can claim this…just you!

            Yeah, David! I too, believe I am immune to ALL DISEASE, with the exception of one…”Other people’s ignorance!!!”

            btw…NO ONE has posted a cure for even a “single” type of cancer…have they?

            NOPE!

            Hmmm…??? Makes me wonder if there really is such a thing as “cancer” in the first place.

            “My BAD!” The Pharisees of yesterday (Doctor’s, Physician’s, Scientists, Teachers, Institute’s of Higher Learning, “Scientific Organizations”, Governments, etc.) ALL say there is such a thing as CANCER…huh!

          • Thanks Bobby. People get so easily confused but in their defense they are educated to be confused.

            They see the suffering and dying ASSOCIATED with the diagnoses of the disease known as “cancer” and they AUTOPILOT contribute the suffering and dying to be the result of a WORD, the word being the “C” word. What they do not understand is the suffering and dying is VERY real but the “C” word is as fake as Hollywood breasts.

            It’s perfect, the brainwashed consumer contributes the death and suffering to something that simply is not real and it allows the suffering and death to survive while the species does not.

            The suffering and death is real but nothing about the “C” word disease known as “cancer” is real.

            To cure the suffering and prevent the death one must start from scratch and learn what is actually causing the suffering and death and that means dismissing the “C” word entirely. Thanks Bobby for standing up for the truth. If you have time please help me explain to these people how medicine and science is based SOLELY on hypothesis instead of fact.

            People simply assume medicine and science is backed by fact but it isn’t at all and that is easily provable.

      • lay off the pipe. Is it just me, or did anyone else understand what this guy said? Are you saying that vegetarians are not as smart as people who eat meat? I think you’re a vegetarian…

        funny how you say you have no use for Lloyd’s research when you provide NO “research” of your own and you sound like the type who won’t listen to other people anyways. Can’t wait for a reply!

        • No Gerald that is not what I said. I said that herbivores are not as smart and mental apt as carnivores and especially omnivores. I also said humans are OMNIVORES which is why we are more mentally apt. Granted people who think humans are herbivores are just a little slower mentally but it probably has nothing to do with what they eat but what they CHOOSE to believe instead of REASON. Sorry you missed the absolutely indisputable point of my post. Too bad you can’t blame it on your diet.

          • Kumquat

            Yes, but being omnivorous was simply the most efficient way to evolve. Now we have the intelligence to eat a vegetarian diet without compromising our progress and we have the intelligence to mass produce the food required to support us. Whereas mass meat production has so many obvious issues.

            Just because we have evolved as omnivores, does not mean we won’t evolve further into vegetarians (or a synthetic diet). Vegetarians are often people with a higher IQ, showing traits of greater compassion for animals and respect for the planet’s resources.

          • Kumquat, no doubt vegetarians are the first to jump up on the soap box but in the exact same way that supposed “christains” jump on their soap box.

            Everyone who is a vegetarian has their “BELIEF SYSTEMS” they fight for with every word they post, but no vegetarian has immunity to disease.

            I never judged “vegetarians” that choose to be “vegetarians” because they are against eating animals or against wrecking the environment because I agree, commercial livestock is criminal behavior in most cases and in all cases hard on the environment.

            I post on CE because I am the only person who I know who ever took and interest in the human immune system to see just what it is capable of doing and not that I now humans are designed to be immune to all diseases I like to tell people but people don’t want to hear about why they are diseased unless they can blame it on the chicken, the GMO foods and the blame is far more important to people than any potential resolution.

            People would rather preach than change their belief system. I don’t care what people eat, I get sick and tired of people blaming their poor health on other things than themselves.

            You may be a genius Kumquat but I bet you haven’t dedicated 10 minutes of your mental capacity on pondering what your immune system could do for you without any reliance on products, fad diets or medicines.

            I am the only person telling people they have powerful immune systems that can keep them immune and so few people are interested because they want their power to be immune to come from a bottle and that will never happen. You may be very interested in saving the environment and prevention livestock abuse but I am equally or more interested in saving the human immune system before it is too late.

            Anyone with real wisdom will be immune to disease, I know that is a slap in the face because you believe you have real wisdom yet you are not immune to disease, well you have some room to grow if you do not get spitting mad at the idea that you might just be missing the ONE most useful blessing in life, immunity to disease.

            Until humans begin to respect their own ability to be healthy, society can only debate about which belief is the best belief. Immunity is not a belief, it is a state.

          • Mark

            Might have to agree with you on our brick-house of an immune system we have evolved. If people spent just a few seconds to sit and actually think about how complex and marvelous the immune system is, they might start to actually realize that they don’t always need meds to get better. People are too quick these days to throw their malnutricious-blame to the left and right, but they are ultimately in charge of their own health (in most cases). I have studied the immune system in some detail, and I was wondering if you could elaborate on your statement: “…and not that I now humans are designed to be immune to all diseases I like to tell people but people don’t want to hear about…”. What do you mean humans are designed to be immune to all diseases?

          • Mark says: “What do you mean humans are designed to be immune to all diseases?”

            Mark, you are the only person showing any interest in that statement. Most everyone else dismisses the notion of being immune without a seconds hesitation, they just assume if man was able to be more immune to disease they would know.

            You are aware that the body is amazing, hopefully you are old enough to know some people who have been disease free for the better part of their life. The only way a person can be disease free is because they are designed to be disease free. Those who are disease free, thought there be few because allergies is a disease and almost everyone now suffers from allergies, but those rare few today who are disease free, their immune system is defending them. People disagree with that but the only way they could logically disagree is if that one person they know lives in a sterile bubble otherwise that person is in contact with disease causing pathogens with every breath as are we all.

            The same way we are designed to pump blood with the right amount of oxygen in it we are also designed to defend ourselves from disease causing pathogens. Every time you or anyone you know is in a room full of hacking, sneezing sick people without getting sick themselves, it is because their immune system is on the job providing them immunity, proving we have the capacity the question is do you have the inclination.

            No one talks about people relying on their immune system so for the most part people do not have the inclination to even investigate their immune capacity.

            You have all the tools in the form of glands, organs and the systems they make up to be healthy and immune we just disregarded the natural immune process as we have been made to believe medicine was the only option consequently causing our race to lose it’s natural survival ability through our natural existing immune system. Basically we stopped using it because no one told us we could. I’m all for effective medicine. I only resent ineffective medicine and there is nothing the immune system cannot cure or prevent, we as a society simply have no way to reintroduce immunity back into our species without serious social repercussions and economic disaster.

            Ponder why there is so little talk in all of the world wide web about anything about what the immune system might be capable of. We know we can heal a cut and we all know times where we should have gotten sick but who talks about or does studies on it? No one but me as far as I can tell. I assume there could be others who have equally difficult times getting the topic on the books. The topic is shunned from most mainstream media sources.

      • david

        Then obviously True Immunity must be an herbivore.

        • No I am an omnivore with complete immunity to disease because I’m a natural human, not a mindless consumer. I don’t fall for failing commercialized science which is what allowed me to pursue the truth about the human immune system.

          95% of the people reading CE can’t even fathom that they even have an immune system designed to protect them much less keep them immune. That’s how far commercialized science has screwed up the human mind, making everyone into consumers and nothing more.

      • wha wha whatttt? are you talking about animals or man.. yes we are animals, but I think you know what I mean…. So you are saying that if I become a vegetarian, I will lose my ability to formulate and process data? and you are saying that deer can not formulate and process data…. Have you ever been hunting in your life? Even hunting with just a camera….

        • ajboesch, you already lost your ability “formulate and process data”, I doubt it has anything to do with diet, and I never said diet causes people to loose all common sense, I SAID as clear and crystal the herbivores, TRUE HERBIVORES are the lowest of all on the mental scale. They tend to only have fight or flight capacity for thought. Sure it could be argued that some have more but it’s not a very strong argument.

          I suspect your inability to formulate and process data is due to living an world saturated with data but starving for wisdom. Meat eaters are no better off,, commercialized science for hire has everyone believing in ONLY medicine and no one looks at their own internal ability to be naturally immune to disease. People think they have to consume stuff like good little mindless consumers to ever have a chance to be healthy.

          Again, it doesn’t have anything to do with diet, it has more to do with the fact that people often incapable of rationalizing the fact that human are indeed and factually omnivores. Humans have been brainwashed to believe whatever they want to believe and in doing so they tend to discard the hard fact in order to justify their beliefs.

          Quite frankly there are no humans looking for truth anymore, just ways to get a leg up economically or they are just desperate for an easy fix that stems from pure propaganda. For example, almost every single human today associates improved health with consuming some consumer good or medicine, they no longer have any respect for their own immune system. It’s quite sad how misinformed society is but hey, it pays the bills.

          For those who are not offended by being told they have an immune system fully capable of offering immunity to all diseases you are welcome to click on my handle for some insight on what the human immune system is capable of doing.

          • Jill

            Your body may be designed for complete immunity, but bacteria and other pathogens are designing and evolving themselves to take advantage of any gaps that may exist.

            Also I would like to know what the money goes towards when potentially vulnerable people donate to your cause.

          • Jill says: “Your body may be designed for complete immunity, but bacteria and other pathogens are designing and evolving themselves to take advantage of any gaps that may exist.

            Also I would like to know what the money goes towards when potentially vulnerable people donate to your cause.”

            Jill, you believe bacteria and other pathogens evolve to take advantage of any gaps because that is what you are told because commercial medicine has to have an excuse to fail 99% of the time.

            No single cell creature is superior or can be superior to humans. Your belief is used to keep you from thinking that maybe you should be healthier through your own immune system and it is working because I suspect you will fight to make certain people all believe they are inferior to insignificant little pathogens so the industry can continue fail to prevent and cure disease.

            When people donate to my cause, I use the money in whatever way it helps the most. Being that no one in today’s commercial science is remotely interested in improving human health it behooves anyone who would actually want to improve their health to donate. Do you have a problem with that or do you only recommend people donate to the industry that proves to fail?

      • My family was vegetarian for years, and my son IQ was tested at 182. His father, and I are also in the genius level, tho not that astonishingly high. Doesn’t seem as if feeding a child from youth to adulthood a vegetarian diet hindered his mental powers. He also was one of the top rated runners in the state, so it also didn’t make him physically weak.

        • Dina says: “My family was vegetarian for years, and my son IQ was tested at 182. His father, and I are also in the genius level, tho not that astonishingly high. Doesn’t seem as if feeding a child from youth to adulthood a vegetarian diet hindered his mental powers. He also was one of the top rated runners in the state, so it also didn’t make him physically weak.”

          I never said that omnivore who choose to eat like an herbivore will be stupid though almost every comment here by vegetarians missed that point. I honestly do not think it is because you are vegetarians that you missed that point, I think it is an oversight because you are too emotionally biased to recognize the validity of my point.

          Your family is bright and mentally superior to a Macaw because you are an omnivore, what you choose to eat now does not change the fact that you are an omnivore, you are an omnivore that chooses to eat like a herbivore and I don’t think you can sabotage you omnivore mental capacity by eating like a macaw.

          However, a will maintain that a really smart human will be immune to disease, after all even herbivores like macaws are often immune to disease, certainly those who live to be 60 years old. Disease only kills the weak, not the immune.

    • sharon

      Good for you but did you know the government wants to outlaw back yard gardens ?? They got you coming and going.

    • Tom Creegan

      Hello Dominic, I agree with the gentlemen farmer concept, it is a good way to get cheap, fresh food. Right now I live in a small city but my front yard and my neighbors back yard are all planted in vegetables. I am finishing a small chicken coop in the side yard; convert our food waste into eggs. Even heavily urbanized areas can grow food; rooftop/balcony gardens; fruit trees instead of shade trees, and for the adventuresome; vertical gardening up the sides of buildings and structures. I must confess I don’t grow my own for any noble health or environmental reason; it is for the cheap and tastes great aspects.

      Tom Gentleman farmer in Colorado

  15. Lee

    I’ve researched this quite extensively, as years ago I moved into a small town with a cancer cluster, with the majority of the victims being school-aged children . A new neighbor (and mother of one of the teenagers with testicular cancer) told me that after citizens had independent testing done, they found arsenic in the AIR filters in the school and nearby homes. Their research pointed to the field next to the school, which for years had been used as a animal waste ‘landfill’… basically a place where chicken farmers would pay to dump their excess litter. I then did my own research, and found websites of companies openly selling arsenic-laced feed, explaining that the feed was designed to kill parasites and to pass straight through the chicken and into the litter, without affecting the meat or eggs. The problem in our town was that the litter was actually getting picked up by the wind and circulating into the school and nearby homes.

    A lawsuit brought little results. The chicken industry is deeply ingrained in this area, and nobody wanted to hear the truth. I moved shortly after learning all of this.

    • Maria

      Im curious, where is this? I have friends in upstate NY investigation cancer clusters….with a higher rate in children.

      • Maria says: “Im curious, where is this? I have friends in upstate NY investigation cancer clusters….with a higher rate in children.”

        Now that is funny Maria, it shouldn’t be but by golly it is. Your friends are investigating “cancer clusters”, and for what purpose?

        That’s putting the cart before the horse if it has ever been done. If your friends were interested in investigating for the sake of knowledge and wisdom they would never use the word “cancer” and maybe they don’t maybe you just used the word to make a point in layman’s terms.

        I hope to kiss a cat, that your friends at least know that every word they have ever read regarding the disease known as “cancer” is NOTHING MORE THAN HYPOTHESIS?

        Do they, do you, do all the readers here on CE know that there is NOT one single “cancer” fact. NOT ONE.

        Shouldn’t every person on earth know that there is no such thing as a “cancer” fact? Yes everyone should know but only the upper management of today’s commercialized science and myself knows and the really sad thing about it is in all studies and reports by today’s commercialized science they use the words “believed to be” and ONLY consumers turn “believe to be” into matter of fact.

        Carcinogens are believed to cause the disease believed to be “cancer”. The disease believed to be “cancer” is believed to be caused by what is believed to be mutated cells.

        The commercial medical science for hire throws in so many big words, made up words, made up for the purpose of marketing the notion of incurable diseases, that no one ever sees that every study or report is made up of ONLY “BELIEVE TO’s”.

        I hope your friends have good intentions and are searching for wisdom because if so instead of investigating “cancer” clusters with higher rates in children they could dismiss the “cancer” beliefs and learn the truth about that suffering in children and instead of investigating they could be curing those children. They can contact me, just click on handle here. Someone has to cure the children because commercial medicine or commercial science will not.

        • Amy345

          No such thing as cancer? Tell that to my mother, who died last year

          • Amy345 says: “No such thing as cancer? Tell that to my mother, who died last year”

            Amy obviously I cannot tell your mother but I can tell you? Don’t you think there might be a valid reason for me to say there is no such thing as “cancer”, a reason that might save you, a person who it isn’t too late?

            I’m pretty certain I have made it perfectly clear that there is suffering and death with all people wrongfully diagnosed with the fraudulent disease known as “cancer”.

            The reason I tell people there is no such thing as “cancer” because there is no such thing as “cancer” and when you know that you can then and ONLY then start to investigate why your mother died and what you can do to prevent the same fate for yourself.

            I suspect you probably are set in blaming the fictional data you believe to be true behind the industry associated with “cancer” and in that case nothing can be done, no cure no preventions. However if you were willing to be wrong you could try an experiment, try to find ONE SINGLE fact published about the disease you believe to be “cancer” and I will show you that it is not a fact but a medical science for hire hypothesis in which case I will demonstrate how a belief in an unproved hypothesis is the reason your mother passed.

            Either you will fight for the truth or you fill fight for the lies. One leads to cures, preventions and immunity the other leads to ineffective but EXTREMELY profitable treatments that cause even more suffering and death.

            It’s up to you. There is not one true word printed about the disease known as “cancer”. You mother died, but to prevent it people must become more demanding of the facts.

            I’m sorry for your mother, but it is you who I am concerned about now and only you who can prevent the same from happening to you and the rest of your loved ones.

  16. annie

    I would like to know why they put arsenic in the chicken’s food.

  17. I wonder how much of that arsenic gets to humans and how hazardous it is when it gets to humans at that amount. My real concern is someone doing the math and finding that the amount that actually gets to humans isn’t hazardous, thus making people like you and me who pass around such information in an effort to get others to stop eating meat look like half truth telling scaremongers.

    • Arsenic in chicken is the least of society’s worries. Thank God we have lymphatic systems that can and will remove any arsenic we ingest provided we do not use antiperspirants and deodorants and drink adequate water.

      Ignorance of the human capacity for being healthy and immune is the cause for suffering today, not foods, toxins, GMO or carcinogens. The ignorance stems from our loyalty to commercial science which isn’t science at all, just popular belief, and if you don’t like one popular belief “THEY” will create one that is more attractive but nothing more than belief none the less.

      Humans are indeed omnivores. If we were herbivores we would have herbivore like mental capacity, limited to fight or flight. In other words we would be as limited as a chicken when it comes to our mental faculties. All ADVANCED life species are omnivores,, us being the MOST advanced.

      You are designed to eat meat which is why you can do more than flight or fight modes.

      • MikeC

        It’s absurd to reduce whether we should or can eat meat down to the fight or flight mentality of other species. We are an evolved species and the fact that we can adapt to reduce meat intake to almost nothing is the strength of our adaptive abilities. I know vegans who have eaten that way for 17 years, never getting sick, strong and fit, with a clear mental drive and motivation. They clearly have had zero negative effects for not eating meat. These people aren’t exceptions; there are multitudes of professional athletes and even whole cultures who are vegan/vegetarian.

        Meat-eaters have to stop justifying their desire to eat meat by putting down the validity of veganism and just acknowledge they are too weak to do the right thing. And by “the right thing” I don’t necessarily mean going vegan, but greatly reducing meat intake so that cruel factory farming practices are minimised, the need for chemicals in meat is reduced and our world doesn’t become an environmental ruin due to excessive agriculture so that meat-consumption is actually a healthy part of life. All these health and cruelty problems have arisen since people have deemed it OK to have animal products for nearly every meal of their day.

        • I see you point MikeC, but you do not adapt therefore you do not have the capacity to judge whether man is or man isn’t a omnivore or herbivore.

          It’s abundantly clear that omnivores are more mentally adept to greater thought processes and YOU WILL NOT DISPUTE THAT because no one will tolerate that nonsense. However, when it comes to adapting, NOTHING struggles more than the human species. I wonder why? You cannot say it is because we eat meat, no, it would be more reasonable to suggest humans struggle because they eat too much vegetation because everyone eats carbs and sugars.

          Now you are sitting there “BELIEVING” you are adept and adapting but you aren’t you are only adept to BELIEVING you are and you can believe up any illusion you choose to conjure up about yourself. The fact is, you are not adapting MikeC, you are devolving just like every other human who is riddled with disease. Maybe you are not showing signs of disease in your current weakened state but believe you, you will. I suspect you already have diseases you are fully aware of, maybe just allergies or lactose intolerant hence the vegan calamity you BELIEVE is for you.

          Once again, if man were adapting man too would be immune to disease for the most part like all the wild animals are (within reason).

          So Mike, we know herbivores in the wild kingdoms are the dumbest of all animals and we know that according to you and commercial science that man cannot adapt to survive little itty bitty pathogens the way almost all other animals can so MikeC tell us again how man is supposed to be an herbivore and how we supposedly adapt even though we are devolving to be the most fragile weal animal on the planet.

          MikeC, I am the only human you have ever visited with who is immune to all disease so I do know a little about adapting and evolving. Unless you are immune to all disease we may have to work on you credibility. I can help you adapt if you like.

          • J

            MikeC, I apologize for David Flowers’ response as he clearly thinks he’s amazingly awesome and cannot back up any of his claims. No man is immune to all diseases.

            If you want to be an herbivore it does not make you better or worse than someone who is an omnivore. It does not lessen your mental capabilities. Look at the various people in history who were vegetarian/vegan(Einstein, for example) throughout their life or the last of their life and they were fine, smart, and just as intelligent as anyone else if not more.

            Please realize that David Flowers likes to attack people directly instead of the issue at hand and likes to boast about his greatness.

          • J, you act like the human body cannot be disease free. Funny how commercialized pseudoscience and medicine make you believe that way.

            Any person can be immune to disease. All it takes is a fully functioning immune system. 40 years ago most 12 year olds had fully functioning immune systems. Myself and my classmates HAD NO DISEASES. Anyone reading this that is over 40 years old knows what I am talking about. There might have been one or two people in a class who had some disease but today only 1 out of a 100 12 year olds might be disease free.

            You have no idea why things have gotten so bad. You might blame it on arsenic in the chicken but that is not the problem, the problem is commercial science and medicine have so misinformed the public that the public including yourself cannot even believe in immunity or even consider it even though it was quite common 40 years ago and almost non existent today.

            Just because the commercial industry of medicine and science isn’t interested in seeing people immune to disease does not mean it isn’t the only natural order of things. There are lots of people in many areas of the world you are disease free because they, like me are immune to disease.

            https://www.facebook.com/beimmunetodisease?fref=nf

          • Jill

            wow… just wow. You are trying so hard to sound so clever. It’s not really working

          • Parrots are herbivores, and they are one of the most intelligent species.

          • Dina, I watched the second half of the Spurs and Heat game last night with a Cockatoo on my shoulder talking away and rubbing on my face like a cat, a true herbivore if there ever was one but I could not get her to say “GO SPURS”, she just kept saying “Hi Cheyenne” and “pretty, pretty bird”. I have video of it. Magnificent bird that can live longer than many humans.

            Cheyenne is 16 years old, old enough to get a learners permit to drive a car but because she is struggling with saying “go spurs” I think though she is very smart for a bird she might not be ready to advice people on health care or politics yet, and certainly not ready to drive a car.

            In the world of herbivores there are definitely species more mentally capable than others but none come even remotely close the the mental capacity of carnivores or omnivores, the latter being the most mentally adept of all.

            The brilliant people who are vegetarians are not brilliant because of their diet but because they are omnivores by design. Don’t get me wrong, I have a different standard of brilliance, a very brilliant person will be immune to disease and everyone today is falling way short of that except myself and anyone else open to the idea of being immune to disease. People simply cannot believe being immune to disease is possible because no one but me is saying it is possible so how would the masses know. When I tell people they typically just get offended because they believe if it was possible they would know, shows how NOT BRILLIANT they are.

      • Chickens eat bugs, mice and each other. They are omnivores.

        • Yes Adam, I stood to be corrected.. I don’t think mice would be a first choice but bugs make them omnivorous.

      • Chickens are omnivores. Just saying. They eat meat all day if they are allowed. I don’t like hearing pro poison anything. If it is so safe why don’t you go raise your family beside it and eat it all day and then get back to us. We could use a real experiment. Not to mention the quality of your life near a smelling sickening chicken farm where the air blows not only arsenic but sh*t smell throughout your neighborhood. There are better ways to be an omnivore.

        • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-The-Stench-Dickinson-Frozen-Food/349372918508761?ref=hl I’m the author of this FB page because I don’t tolerate corporate irresponsibility and this page is the only reason the air is clean right now, all legal tactics failed. That’s how you do it.

          You are right, chickens are omnivore because they do eat bugs. I don’t think they would eat mammal meat if they weren’t starving.

          My point for making my comment you responded too was the fact that focus on the dangers of commercial meat pretty much seals the fate of humanity. The frail state of our species is not due to poison it is due to a complete disregard for what the human immune system is capable of doing. Commercialized science for hire wants people to blame the foods we eat for everything so that no one every gets on the track of what the real cause for human frailty. Commercial science refuses to offer improved health and to talk about chicken being the problem is exactly what they want.

          • EXACTLY…David!

            AND, for those of us who CAN read-between-the-lines, it is very obvious that what ever is “fashionable” at the moment, science, main stream media, governments, etc., ALLOW the public to misdirect themselves and “they” go along with it!

            Case-In-Point: How many people are aware of the FACT, that the U.S. now produces about as much oil as Saudi Arabia? Perhaps, quite a few…right!

            SOOOO…”Why” is the price of oil STILL so high?

            Wrong answer.

            The correct answer is that “WE, the People…” have believed the lies for so long, that we simply “accept” HIGH OIL PRICES…PERIOD!

            Bottom-Line? MONEY!

            “JUST” as David Flowers has been saying!

          • Thanks bobby, people need to see how society is now functioning off of BELIEF instead of off of facts and tangible results. Its a perfect manipulation, the government creates a perfect belief for every consumer. If you hate a part of the government or the who government, the government has an already prepared “belief system” just for you to make sure that hates works to the governments advantage.

            Most people might be thinking, “what a nut job”, but anyone with a little common sense won’t call it conspiracy, they will call it marketing. It’s called “tell people what they want to hear” but not the source.

            It’s is not difficult at all the play people’s emotions. Give a little take a little and if you do it just right you can do anything you want and no one will do anything about it. Arsenic in our chicken isn’t killing people, not knowing how to be healthy and disease free is what is killing people.

  18. Phil/Vegan

    I have read a few comments that say because chimps eat meat it means humans are meant to. According to Jane Goodall’s website a whopping 2% of a chimpanzee’s diet is meat. So one in 50 meals is meat. Chimps eat meat as a territorial ritual. They kill other monkeys that happen come into their territory when the chimps are excited or feeling protective. They then chase it and kill it. The dominant chimp passes out little pieces of the carcass as a show of their dominance.

    Also David Flowers, herbivores are not intelligent animals? So lions are vastly more intelligent than elephants and gorillas lack any planning skills other than fight or flight response?

    • Phil/Vegan said: “Also David Flowers, herbivores are not intelligent animals? So lions are vastly more intelligent than elephants and gorillas lack any planning skills other than fight or flight response?”

      Yes Phil you will find that carnivores and omnivores are more likely to adopt the use of tools and strategy. Yes we can poke an elephant with a stick until it responds satisfactory and then repeat it enough to make it a habit and call it intelligent.

      I’m not talking about what we can teach animals like elephants and gorillas and am not going to become biased from watching documentaries that have a different goal entirely. I am against killing elephants and gorillas already, I don’t need a Hollywood over dramatized documentary to make me sympathetic to the cause.

      I would never use a chimpanzee to argue humans are omnivores. I use to be that narrow minded but I do progress. I do suspect chimps would eat meat more often if there normal foods became short in supply.

      I don’t see any comparison between humans and any herbivores worth noting. I don’t behave like a rabbit, deer or any other herbivore. I have much more in common with omnivores and carnivores. Even if I didn’t eat meat I would be much more in common with them just as you are.

  19. Just another reason the FDA SHOULD E DISBANDED

    • Tom

      hmmmm…..disband the FDA….great for business, now you can put whatever you want in food and not have to tell anyone. Always watch for unintended consequences. Yet I agree with you. The govt system needs to be replaced by informed consumers and a market-driven solution. It has happened before, read up on the history of the “UL Label”

    • The role of the FDA is to keep the economy healthy and without it we would be in a depression. We might be healthier but we would be hungry.

    • Luke B

      No, it’s another reasons those corrupt jerks at FDA should go to jail for life. Without the FDA things would be much worse.

  20. Willie

    Arsenic is in rice and fruit juice, too.

    http://consumerreports.org/cro/arsenicinfood.htm

    • Yes Willie it is also in most well water especially wells in low lying areas.

    • Tom

      Arsenic is in rice, beans, green leafy vegetables, and anything else that grows in dirt. It is in anything that eats something grown in dirt. Water that comes from underground or flows over dirt and rocks has arsenic in it. So the human body has been dealing with arsenic for a long, long time, and surprise, surprise, has a nice efficient system to deal with arsenic. Your body sticks it in with the keratin in your hair and nails, uses a little bit in bones, and you pee out the rest. Keep your natural system healthy and it will naturally handle naturally occurring arsenic. BTW….5 cups of rice has about the same arsenic as a whole chicken. Use the natural long grain brown rice and you are up to about a whole chicken and a half.

      • Thank You, Tom!

        For this “insight!” There are very few that have as much “knowledge” as you anywhere on the Internet! It seems so many people are “Hell-Bent” on the propaganda being spewed out everyday they no longer have any idea what it means to simply be “Healthy!” ALL people want to do today, is sit back, allow themselves to be “brain-washed”, join the latest “fad”, AND when that “fad” no longer works “…take a pill to get better again!!!”

        Did I miss something?

        Take Care and God Bless!

        • bobby90247 said: “Thank You, Tom!

          For this “insight!” There are very few that have as much “knowledge” as you anywhere on the Internet! It seems so many people are “Hell-Bent” on the propaganda being spewed out everyday they no longer have any idea what it means to simply be “Healthy!” ALL people want to do today, is sit back, allow themselves to be “brain-washed”, join the latest “fad”, AND when that “fad” no longer works “…take a pill to get better again!!!”

          Did I miss something?

          Take Care and God Bless!”

          Exactly Bobby, my mom used to tell me “two wrongs don’t make a right.” SHE WAS WRONG! LOL

          Today, two wrongs do make a right because now those in power give us two wrong choices and we pick on and we then make it right in our minds. It works perfect in politics and also in medicine.

          Natural Medicine is now a “WRONG” choice just as wrong as drug medicine but we have to pick one and once we pick it we will defend it until it is RIGHT in our heads.

          The same people who govern and run western drug medicine govern and run today’s natural medicine because they know people will try the flax seed, the oregano and cannabis oil and all the millions of so called “natural” friendly PRODUCTS. They will spend thousands of dollars on natural medicine and fad diets and in the long run they will still be damned and most if not all will be inline at the local pharmacy so it is a WIN/WIN for the entire medical industry and no one has to cure or prevent anything because we will make two wrongs right.

          • Tom

            Good News Bobby! Glad we cleared that up.
            Hello David,
            The “natural medicine” of today just about makes me sick! When natural medicine was practiced in the past, herbalists would assess the whole person, overall health, living conditions, stresses, spiritual health, etc. There was no quick-fix, it was a whole body health assessment. Now, you go to a store and buy one thing to cure what ails you and take massive doses while paying high prices. The natural supplement industry has grown to the multi-billion dollar range in the US. We have this “if some is good, more is better” attitude and a large proportion of what Americans down is so much excess that it has to be excreted in the urine. Years ago I read an article by a European doctor who said “Americans have the most expensive urine in the world.”

            We forget that our bodies are finely tuned machines, only needing a set amount of materials. Not only that, our body can make 99.99% of what it needs anyhow. My advice: eat a varied diet and get some exercise.

            Tom

            ps: the marketing of supplements is insidious. My daughter eats the most healthy diet I have ever seen. She is the healthiest person I know and yet she was fretting that she needed to take Vit D b/c it does etc, etc. I laughed. Then I hugged her. Reassured her that her diet was enough to provide everything….and that she is a fantastic cook.

            Just for the record: the L-tryptophan saga. A couple people died after taking the supplement. The FDA freaks out, bans L-tryptophan. It turns out the supplement that killed people was made in a factory in Japan. Inadvertently a bacterial toxin got mixed in to a couple batches. 99.9% of the people taking the supplement had no problem, their bodies dealt with the toxin. Factory cleaned up their process, never had a problem since.

            Just for the record II: Turkeys don’t contain some much tryptophan that you get sleepy after the Thanksgiving feast. Turkeys have the same levels as fish, soy, eggs, game, and anything with a good amount of protein. You get sleepy b/c you are so filled up that your body declares a rest period so the digestive system can get to work (it takes energy to digest) Most people feel sleepy after any feast.

            Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

          • Tom, I have to agree with Bobby, you do have a lot of wisdom for someone posting on the internet! :)

            When I speak of the human immune system people tend to automatically assume I am about to unleash a wealth of knowledge of “natural medicine” and when I contradict their belief in “natural medicine” I often get the cold shoulder. “Natural Medicine” is the icing on the cake for today’s medical industry. It’s pure profit because there is no need for all the high priced testing and patenting. Anyone can claim this or that is a “natural medicine”.

            I loved the fact that you emphasized how the body can make do with “set amount of materials”, a truer statement couldn’t be made but who will believe it? No they have to have some product or plant shipped from the other side of the world and the rarer the better.

            I may have a different take on old school natural medicine, the once effective natural medicine because I once practiced old school medicine and I was very effective. I studied under a man who was over 90 years old, very old schooled. He was extremely effective but after 2 months of meeting him I surpassed him which sure didn’t sit well with those who admired him. He didn’t have a problem with it, but when I told any of his clients I could correct what he couldn’t it didn’t go over well.

            The gentleman never ever realized what was actually taking place when he helped a person heal or be cured. He honestly believed it was his medicine that was doing the work. He never learned it was all him and his clients doing the work, not the medicine or the gadgets. I started removing the products and tools from my “practice” and started focusing on what I wanted to happen. What I learned was if what I wanted to happen was something the human body could do for itself it could be commanded to do it. My research proved that old school “natural medicine” was totally reliant on either the practitioner engaging an accurate healing command/signal or the the client engaging it on their own or a little of both.

            When a practitioner became more consistent at inadvertently sending the command/signal themselves they became much more effective and consistent in healing their patients. Repetition was and is critical. “Natural Medicine” today focuses entirely on selling products and dramatic woo woo hamana hamana gadgets and other nonsense without any possibility of sending a immune signal. The immune signal/command is the same immune signal behind any immune work done during rim sleep. It is the same command/signal that instigates any healing. It is as matter of fact as the signal required to put a car in drive and hit the gas.

            The simplicity is unimaginable which makes it hard to share/promote. Everyone thinks “if it is that easy, everyone would be doing it” but people have to know about it before they can even consider it and no one with “credentials” is going to spill the beans. Furthermore the signals/commands cannot be videoed or written, they have to be experienced or witnessed first hand and the subconscious is the only part of the brain that will detect it.

            That’s how “natural healing” and “natural medicine” was once effective. The only way to learn to be an effective healer is to study under someone else who is effective.

          • Tom

            Hello David,

            This is the scary part…..

            “The only way to learn to be an effective healer is to study under someone else that is effective”

            The number of healers is dropping fast, and students are few and far between.

            Tom

          • Tom says: “Hello David,

            This is the scary part…..

            “The only way to learn to be an effective healer is to study under someone else that is effective”

            The number of healers is dropping fast, and students are few and far between.

            Tom”

            Well Tony brought up another theory and that is for people to learn from scratch but if a person was to read any of this topic it wouldn’t be completely from scratch. It took me 20 years to gain full control over my immune system and to be able to help others from scratch, except that I was already effective at natural healing placebo.

            i honestly can’t imagine a way to help talk a person through learning to use their immune system with real accuracy. I’ve wanted to give it a shot but so much has to come together.

            Lets see what Tony says.

          • Of course it would not be completely out of scratch. There always have to be a thing that ring the bells. What I meant is that the other way would be more or less without a pointed master. Without the link between apprentice and master that is. Much is lost this way, but progress is still made nonetheless. Under tutelage progress would be at least faster if the tutor really knows the practice.

          • Hi again!

            Just wanted to verify couple things.

            “I loved the fact that you emphasized how the body can make do with ‘set amount of materials’…”

            If the body would need something other than from within the set materials to correct its mechanics, it would mean that there is something beyond our existence that we would need, but this way we would not exist to begin with. Thus the set of materials are around and always be around unless we somehow turn them into another type of material that we cannot turn them back from. We are stardust so what else could we possibly need to correct our functionality. :D

            “What I learned was if what I wanted to happen was something the human body could do for itself it could be commanded to do it. =CUT= Repetition was and is critical. =CUT= The only way to learn to be an effective healer is to study under someone else who is effective.”

            To command your body to do what it is able to do is what happens. You would only need to learn how to trigger/re-activate/login or whatever word or words you like to use to do it. One way is to learn this from an experienced individual who knows what to do and does the practice. Another way is to experience it for yourself without an experienced individual which means that you would need to go through the similar if not same trials and errors that the experienced individual already has gone through and prevailed. :)

          • You’re right, Tony! Recognizing what it is that you had done and then repeating it again and again, and then, be able to do it for other’s…and therein is the “tricky” part! Recognizing is one thing…being able to do it for “other’s”…entirely different!

          • Bobby said: “You’re right, Tony! Recognizing what it is that you had done and then repeating it again and again, and then, be able to do it for other’s…and therein is the “tricky” part! Recognizing is one thing…being able to do it for “other’s”…entirely different!”

            It took me 20 years from complete scratch. There was no one telling me it could be done or should be done. I like to think a person who knows it is possible and can be made aware of some of the pitfalls could do it in much less. Tony, what about you, have you go a hand on your immune activities? If we can devise a way for people to learn without having to travel to someone who is already experienced and effective we could truly change the world provided the government didn’t shut down CE or CE shut down the discussion.

            I’m going to say that CE is living up to it’s name so far. The information we have been discussing here would otherwise be banned from any other site.

            Bobby how bout you, do you want to take a stab at controlling your immune system without experiencing it first hand?

          • LOL! You already “know” my answer, David! “OF COURSE!”

            “We’ve” simply been waiting for someone else to “join in!”

            btw…”HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYONE!!!”

          • Well said Tony. It took me 20 years to retrain my subconscious mind to send and receive proper immune signals/commands, 20 years of trial and error. I do typically let people know that is one option but I have become such a pessimist I have almost ruled that one out.

            I all but ruled it out because people today seem to be too “educated” to learn to control their own immune system and the systems of others from scratch as I did. I have never been accused of being overly educated.

            If a person is proud of their education and you might agree, most are there is very little chance that they will dismiss their educational efforts in order to allow contradicting info into consideration even if it is staring them right in the face. This is why all doctors will always fail, they have too much pride in their education. This is why consumers fail to grasp the concept of human immunity, they have too much pride in their education but more importantly too much pride in their ability to Google. After all this is the day of miss-information.

            Now as for trigger/activate/login I wanted to clarify, a word will only help to remind a person what they want to do. I think you mean that and were simply talking about a word or words to describe the trigger/activate thing.

            It’s interesting, the signal required to generate a proper immune response is clearly instantaneous or very close to it. The signal has always been behind every effective placebo effect. Then the powers that be came out and bashed the notion of placebo making placebo a bad word and now it is extremely rare for a quality placebo effect to take place which now mean a person needs to scientifically learn how to activate/trigger their own immune responses on command which is no longer placebo but pure honest science.

            Cheers.

          • “Now as for trigger/activate/login I wanted to clarify, a word will only help to remind a person what they want to do. I think you mean that and were simply talking about a word or words to describe the trigger/activate thing.”

            Correct.

          • “…what about you, have you go a hand on your immune activities? If we can devise a way for people to learn without having to travel to someone who is already experienced and effective we could truly change the world…”

            Have you go a hand? What do you mean by this?

            I think the way or ways will become clear at that moment when we realize how we behave in such situation. Perhaps it is not the trip that is the biggest obstacle. Perhaps they are the restrictions, physical and mental, that bind you to your place so that the affirmative trip cannot take place.

            What I mean is that “a bird needs to take flight sooner or later to know how to use the wings”.

          • Well Tony, I’m not exactly sure what I was trying to write but I know what I was trying to say. I was wanting to know if you wanted try a hand at learning to control your own immunity without experiencing it first.

            I agree, it has to be tried and I have always had an extended invitation to try to help walk a person through it but I still see huge obstacles in the way. Maybe those obstacles can be overcome but like you said, we will never know until we spread our wings and try to fly.

            In my mind, a person has to have some effective commands/signals just to have a place to start. That’s my big one.

            David

          • Of course I would like to learn, with or without experience at first. Obstacles will be overcome in a way or another, sooner or later. Effective commands/signals could include e.g. the lowering of eyelids, drumming of your eardrums and so on?

          • ….or an acupuncture needle, a homeopathic tincture or a spiritual chant. So far I haven’t been able to talk myself into promoting the activation/placebos like that. I want people to know that those are all just a reminder for the subconscious to inject the signal.

            With what I know and what I do I could create the most effective form of natural medicine known to modern man but there is a fly in that ointment too and that is the fact that everyone thinks you should be able to learn from books and videos but to teach the MOST effective form of natural medicine I would have to teach in person and due to the overall 100% gimmick/scam/con of all of today’s natural medicine, selling an actual effective scientific form of healing is almost impossible especially setting it up to be done in person.

            Modern commercial natural medicine has destroyed any possibility for restoring the truth and actual healing to the industry of natural medicine.

            When I do train people in person I do use some physical hands on so they can keep the focus. Some people are easy to train and some people can’t be trained at all.

            I have yet to train a women to be in control of their immune system. I can restore a women’s immune capacity but I cannot teach them to do it for themselves or others. I’m not sure why but I would sure like to find out. It might be that women get too wrapped up in understanding instead of results. Maybe they wrestle too much with it instead of just doing it.

            Everyone wants an explanation FIRST before they can even consider it possible and damned if I can create an explanation that cannot be known. I seriously doubt that anyone could explain exactly why the body can be immune to all disease. I can correct any immune system but the explanation is for the next life if there is such a thing.

          • For me (at least to the point of understanding) I think the drumming of eardrums is not the signal itself, but it allows me to affect proper places which create those signals that thereafter do the domino. E.g. when I close my eyes, it alone does nothing except what it usually does, but when I drum my eardrums (again at least to the point of understanding how to exactly drum them) I somehow feel like I am giving a massage to my brains in a form of vibration at least. I don’t know exactly if this is what truly happens, but the result is clear e.g. headache will be gone and so on. Conclusion is that the ability to do the drumming with your eardrums is not the thing that does the massage, but affects the head through vibration which does it. Does this make any sense?

          • Tony says: “For me (at least to the point of understanding) I think the drumming of eardrums is not the signal itself, but it allows me to affect proper places which create those signals that thereafter do the domino. E.g. when I close my eyes, it alone does nothing except what it usually does, but when I drum my eardrums (again at least to the point of understanding how to exactly drum them) I somehow feel like I am giving a massage to my brains in a form of vibration at least. I don’t know exactly if this is what truly happens, but the result is clear e.g. headache will be gone and so on. Conclusion is that the ability to do the drumming with your eardrums is not the thing that does the massage, but affects the head through vibration which does it. Does this make any sense?”

            Yes, I know exactly what is going on and it makes sense but out of interest of improving your conditioning to deliver the same signal on a more simple command I suggest you try something else as an experiment.

            Provided you are consistently able to stop the headaches with your focus on the drumming of the eardrums which is critical to the task, you should be able to simply go through the motions in your mind without the actual drumming and still get the same results.

            It isn’t a vibration,, the signal/command is instant, faster than any 4G. Close your eyes to help you avoid distractions and then just imagine yourself drumming while creating the same intent to send the signals and see if you can do it. Then repeat it each time and try to shorten the whole process each time.

            Summery, the signal is instant, meaning it takes no time at all. The idea is to get to the point where you can consistently fire off the signal in an instant.

            Now the hangup here is, you are spot treating your headaches instead of getting your body to correct the underlying causes of the headaches so you will have to send that signal for the rest of your life which of course beats using headache medicines but isn’t ideal.

            When I started practicing natural medicine 20 some odd years ago, that was all we did, we spot treated problems which is not unlike western drug medicine. It was perfect for business because clients had to keep coming back. I never settled for spot treating. If someone came to me for migraine headaches I wanted them gone for good and early on I succeeded with maybe one out of five at eliminating them entirely which was not good enough for me. So I spent hours, days and months trying to figure out why one person would be completely cured and another would not until I figured it out.

            As far as I know, I was and still am the only person who wouldn’t or didn’t settle for random success. You can understand the business aspect of it, cure 1 out of 5 and make the the other four come back over and over for more and more treatments and more and more bills while they try to get completely cured like their friends.

            My problem was some of my clients who were not being completely cured would go two or three months without migraines and then start getting them again and I felt their pain and they drove a long ways to see me, often with the headache so it weighed heavily on me. I know how to correct the underlying cause of all migraine headaches now but there is a sense of urgency because if they are left uncorrected for too long there will be permanent damage that may not be correctable. It is important to see people with serious migraines in the first five to ten years. Leave them longer and they will risk irreversible damage.

        • Tom

          Holy Smokes! I sure fired you up Bobby….and since I agree with you 100%, and thought my post did too, I think we have a “failure to communicate”

          “..any idea what it means to simply be “Healthy!” I agree with this statement 100% and have been saying it for over 40 yrs. We need to bring back the word “robust” = strong, healthy, vigorous As in, “I don’t need any pills for my cold, I have a robust immune system”

          “…sit back,….brainwashed,….latest fad” Amen brother, I say amen!! Good Lord this society has so much of this. Wanna have some fun? Go to the grocery store and ask people “What is gluten?” You will get dumbfounded stares, stutters, and people quietly moving away from you. If they hang around for a followup question ask, “Why is it bad for you?” No one will know, but that “gluten-free” monicker on the package sells like hot cakes.

          My post was supposed to get across the point that arsenic in chickens is another “fad” and that your natural body knows how to handle it. “Arsenic in chicken!, Arsenic in baby cereal!, The sky is falling, The sky is falling”

          Unfortunately Chicken Little is good for sales.

          “Did I miss something?” yeah…I’m on your team!
          “Take care and God Bless” I do and He does

          Thanks for keeping the word out there Bobby!

          • Forgive me, Tom! I must have “worded” something WRONG as I was agreeing with you, also!

            “…For this “insight!” There are very few that have as much “knowledge” as you anywhere on the Internet!…” This IS a compliment, NOT sarcasm!

            “insight” — Until you presented these FACTS, I was NOT aware of the instances of Arsenic in the proportions you indicated.

            “knowledge” — Obviously, you researched this while most simply repeat what someone else “thinks!”

            Sorry for the “misunderstanding!”

            “My BAD!!!”

      • This is the best answer, and the most intelligent one that says it all !!

  21. Truth

    You all will believe anything they tell you I for one do not come from no monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • You certainly write like one

    • Tom

      Given Phil/Vegan’s post above, I am certainly glad you didn’t come from a monkey! If humans come from monkeys, why can’t monkeys come from humans? No one, not even Darwin, said humans are descended from monkeys. Just that we are related to them, think third cousin twice removed.

  22. Tom Creeegan

    Hello David Flowers,
    I think I get the drift of your ideas from the posts
    I. Your own immune system can cure what ails you from within.
    II. The US healthcare system is an industry unto itself. As such, the driving force is the bottom line.

    On Nov 13, you made an odd comment that I would like to hear more about. “medical and science industry is a complete utter failure outside of trauma medicine and livestock medicine” Trauma medicine I get, but I was quite puzzled by livestock medicine. Care to elaborate?

    • Tom Creeengan said: “Hello David Flowers,
      I think I get the drift of your ideas from the posts
      I. Your own immune system can cure what ails you from within.
      II. The US healthcare system is an industry unto itself. As such, the driving force is the bottom line.

      On Nov 13, you made an odd comment that I would like to hear more about. “medical and science industry is a complete utter failure outside of trauma medicine and livestock medicine” Trauma medicine I get, but I was quite puzzled by livestock medicine. Care to elaborate?”

      Tom, thanks for not taking offense. I am well aware that I am contradicting popular BELIEF and am often hated for it but the important note there is that BELIEF has never cured, prevented or improved health more than temporary placebo.

      As for livestock medicine being effective while our own medicine is a complete utter failure, well it is like this, there is no incurable disease in livestock. Yes livestock will often die of disease and sometime a whole herd will but it doesn’t take commercial science any time at all to come up with a means to prevent the disease because there is no money in diseased livestock. It is the opposite with livestock than with humans. With humans, there is no money in cures and prevention or social justification because the money is in sick fragile humans. In beef and pork the money is in healthy fat high productivity livestock. Healthy cattle produce more milk. When a cow gets sick they either take it to the sale barn for pennies on the dollar or they just shoot it and drag it out to the bone yard at a serious loss.

      Livestock medicine is 95% more effective than human medicine. Now, pet medicine, because we humans love our pets as much as our own kids is no better than human medicine. We will pay money for a pet’s lifetime to give it insulin for diabetes but a farmer or rancher will not do that for a beef so commercial science and medicine cultivates the disease known as diabetes in pets and prevents and cures it in livestock.

      Medicine is superior for animals we are not emotionally attached to. If we were willing to put our house pets down at the first sign of failing health our pet medicine would become as effective as livestock medicine because the pet industry would lose the feed industry with all the pets dying too early. Now when the average pet dies of disease it goes out to the tune of $1000 to $5000 in vet bills. A beef cow isn’t always worth that kind of money so no one spends that kind of money on medicine for them so they perfected preventative medicine for cattle even though cattle live in the most extreme conditions in total filth.

      • Nalliah Thayabharan

        For hundreds of thousand years we survived on fruits, nuts, seeds, tubers and vegetable until we discovered fire and start roasting animals and birds. True carnivores born with built in tools like speed, strength, claws, teeth and talons for capture, kill and devour but we do NOT have hands that are designed for tearing into bellies of animals, but our hands are perfectly designed for picking fruits from trees. The strongest tough powerful animals like elephants, horses, camels eat only plant foods. Gorillas are 3 times the size of a man but 30 times stronger and they eat only leaves and fruits to produce all the protein they need.

        • Nalliah the herbivore says: “For hundreds of thousand years we survived on fruits, nuts, seeds, tubers and vegetable until we discovered fire and start roasting animals and birds. True carnivores born with built in tools like speed, strength, claws, teeth and talons for capture, kill and devour but we do NOT have hands that are designed for tearing into bellies of animals, but our hands are perfectly designed for picking fruits from trees. The strongest tough powerful animals like elephants, horses, camels eat only plant foods. Gorillas are 3 times the size of a man but 30 times stronger and they eat only leaves and fruits to produce all the protein they need.”

          Nalliah you are a good consumer therefore your emotions have handicapped you. Your argument has been used for a very long time and because the OTHER SIDE who you have been arguing with has been equally or more handicapped.

          Human’s WERE the MOST advanced species on the planet but as a species we are devolving to become one of the most fragile and mentally inferior, not because of the food we eat, not because of GMO, chicken or arsenic but because we pick and choose what we want to BELIEVE.

          I know you are thinking, “what’s wrong with picking and choosing what you want to BELIEVE, it is the way of society?” I will tell you, BELIEF or what we BELIEVE IN is no different than Santa Clause and the Eastern Bunny. Believing in Republicans or democrats is no different than BELIEVING in Santa or Easter Bunnies. We are told how great Santa, Easter Bunnies, Republicans and Democrats are but we never actually see any real greatness from any of them but we still choose to BELIEVE instead of raising our standards and making HONEST TO BETSY FACTS and CONCLUSIONS. BELIEFS never end with final conclusions, they actually never end. Beliefs can only be debated so it is kind of difficult to argue your comment because your comment is nothing more than a belief and it can only be debated but I will give you a side of the debate YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD BEFORE that if you are honest will make you reconsider some beliefs you have but if you are completely biased to your beliefs than no one can help you find the truth.

          FIRST- Omnivores (animals that eat both meat and vegetation) are the most mentally equipped of all animal species. Omnivores are the species that can plot, plan, calculate and execute with the most efficiency.

          SECOND- Herbivores (animals that only eat vegetation) are the least mentally equipped of all animal species with not much more than a flight or fight response for all situations.

          THIRD- Humans do not need to be shaped like an animal because we are designed to use tools, you may believe you were meant to be in a cave except for times of grazing on the meadows but that sure wouldn’t be putting your talents to work for you. We can take down our prey without running it down because we are mentally superior though, and you will probably agree with me, it seems we are getting less and less superior when it comes to our species mental prowess. You may believe is it the food but I believe we are getting dumbed down because humans are the ONLY life on earth that put more emphasis on BELIEF than getting it done.

          Nalliah, I have complete immunity to all disease, through my own efforts i figured out that we humans have an immune system designed to provide us with immunity. As far as I can tell, I am the only GOOGLE result that supports the human immune system as even being something worth being mentioned in the context of providing immunity. Regardless, I don’t think an herbivore could have figured out how they are made and designed to be immune to disease. I don’t think an herbivore can learn anything without something or someone poking it with a stick to make it respond the same way over and over until it becomes muscle memory (not brain memory).

          Nalliah it is appalling how we treat animals today. I totally respect you for not consuming the poor creatures but your sympathy does not make you a herbivore. You simply choose not to eat meat. You are an omnivore.

          • Matthew Luke

            David, you are right. We are omnivores, just look at our teeth. The incisors are for tearing at flesh whether it be of fruit or meat. That being said, look at chimps, they also hunt for meat every now and then, so we are not alone.

          • Yes Matt, I agree we are built to eat meat otherwise I wouldn’t be eating meat. Isn’t it really that simple?

            I like the chimp example too but you see it all the time and it never seems to make an impact on those who think humans are herbivores. However when I point out the differences between mental capacities in herbivore, carnivore and omnivore it tends to make a greater impact and it almost always ends the debate which means we are omnivores in their minds too, they just refuse to admit it.

            As far as I know, not patting myself on the back, I’m the first person to compare metal behavior to develop my hypothesis. I hardly ever use hypothesis but in the case it was more fitting. When I eat meat and stay immune to disease I then know for fact I am an omnivore so my hypothesis is proved factual.

            That’s why we have to question every single “STUDY” out there that doesn’t led to immunity. We are intended to be immune and anything less than full immunity is a result of believing in ideas that we WANT to believe in. Funny isn’t it how man has grown accustomed to being able to pick and choose what they want to believe in. Instead demanding a finite understanding with associated results.

            You saw them here trying to rally behind medical “studies” because medical “studies” are designed to cater to beliefs not finite results. “STUDIES” make up much if not most of today’s industry of medicine but they do not improve health and healing.

            We can’t see the forest for the trees. Nalliah still wants to cater to her own beliefs, unfortunately like everyone else she does so at her own peril. I’m all for protecting animals and treating them with dignity but I still eat meat I just don’t eat tortured meat. I eat meat that I dispatch myself, wild game. I am the most efficient hunter I know because I don’t confuse hunting with sport.

          • Tom Creegan

            Hello again David Flowers,

            I really appreciate hearing another voice crying in the wilderness: “….we humans have an immune system designed to provide us with immunity. As far as I can tell, I am the only GOOGLE result that supports the human immune system as even being something worth being mentioned in the context of providing immunity.”

            I was blessed by wonderful parents who raised us on a farm where we shoveled manure, raised vegetables, chickens, pigs, steers, a milk cow, and one turkey for Thanksgiving. Drank raw milk every day. Ate eggs straight from the hen house. Drank from the watering trough same as horses and cows. Dentist fixed broken teeth, doc sewed you up. My robust immune system has served me well for half a century so far.

            You might find these accounts interesting:

            If water was clear with green algae it is good to drink. Camping in Gila Wilderness, my brother brought a girlfriend, a nurse. “Is that water safe to drink? Don’t you have to filter it?” “Drink it all the time, no problems” She got a whopping case of giardia. Her: “Why didn’t those guys get it too?” Doc, “They probably carry it”

            Granddaughters dog got real sick, she’s crying. Take dog to vet hospital, daughter calls, now she is crying; they want $3,000 to cure the dog. Dad and I go to check out the dog…vet won’t let us see him. BS meter pegs. Take dog to our vet (best ever; All Pet Animal Clinic, Evans, Colorado) Yeah, they get this, take him home, push fluids, if he gets worse come back. Dog got better, healthy and hearty.

            On box of brownie mix: “Warning, do not eat raw batter” Daughter “Why?” Wife “You’ll get salmonella from raw eggs” Me “wtf?” Remember old boxing movies? The boxer drinks raw eggs to make him stronger, never gets sick. Daughter and I decide that eating all the batter saves energy since you don’t have to cook it. Reducing our carbon footprint right there in the kitchen.

            New father, on farm, daughter gets worms. Rush to doctor (hey, I was a new father, not trained yet) Doctor looks under microscope, yup, pinworms. Here’s a prescription. I check out the prescription and it is for a dog wormer we quit using years ago b/c it didn’t work so well. Back to farm, get the good working wormer, calculate wt/wt dosage for kid, on toast and jelly. Problem solved. (all cowboys I know do the same for themselves)

            One more and I have to quit, friend plays frisbee with wife’s dog. Dog comes down hard and blows out its knee. Friend goes to vet. Vet says Option 1: Do nothing, dog drags it around until it gets infected and falls off. Option 2: amputate, dog learns to run around on three legs. Option 3: Do knee surgery. He loves his wife, she loves the dog so he guts it up goes for knee surgery. “How much?” “$(large 4 digit number)” “Why so much?” Vet is honest: “If I charged anymore, no one would have it done.”

            Tom
            “its all in the immunity folks, all in the immune system”

          • Hi Tom!

            Fantastic “Comment!” RAW EGGS??? I’m an avid bodybuilder (okay, I’m starting over again…lol) and consume “raw eggs” whenever I need an extra boost of energy. Never been sick due to that…EVER! Due to my extreme work-outs, I have a specialized diet which I supplement with lots of vitamins, minerals, and amino acids as I am not as fortunate as you are living on a farm. I have no choice but to buy my food from the Grocery Store which purchases produce based on color & taste rather than it’s nutritional value which it has none!

            As for Doctors? Hmmm…??? They have their place. My son got sick with the Asian Flu when he was 4 1/2 y.o. & passed it on to me. That was 19 years ago. I haven’t seen a doctor since. I guess I let my immune system down for a moment, back then? Until that time, my son had NOT been sick a day in his life. He got sick when he started school…essentially.

            Anyway, there are those of us (you, David and myself) that don’t “run to the Doctor” every time we get a little “run down!” As long as we “listen” to our bodies, we can determine what it needs to remain healthy…”IF” we,,,LISTEN!!!

            Take Care and God Bless!

            Bob Wise

          • Tom, I could listen to those stories for hours. Pretty soon there will be no one telling those stories of how HUMANS ONCE HAD IMMUNE SYSTEMS made for keeping them immune. There will never be a “STUDY” on the joys of immunity to pass on to our children, only “STUDIES” on how pitifully fragile humans are so we can cripple our children further.

            I drug a very heavy deer out of the mountains, a LONG way on a pretty warm day. Ran out of water and had to drink out of the stream, something I do all the time but not normally when I have drug a deer carcass back and fourth the stream up stream from where I am drinking, regardless I was parched. Now had I not been physically expired from dragging such a large animal around for 3 hours nothing would have happened but as it was, I was maxed out that night I had to get up 10 times to take care of business and we were roughing it. I got a sufficient enough dose of giardia that my body in it’s exhausted stage said EJECT. Next day I was as right as rain, little tired from getting up all night. Still drink out of streams, ponds and occasional river.

            I just wish there were more ranchers and farmers out there still who can do more than practice medicine. There is no doubt that the old time farmers and ranchers knew more about medicine than any doctor or Harvard grad on the planet. I think the talent is slowly being lost.

            None of my dogs have been vaccinated and none of them have gotten sick for more than a few hours. One dog is almost 9 years old and I am signing off now to take them after pheasants and though she is almost nine years old she will still out hunt any 4 year old.

            Cheers and thanks for the wisdom and stories. Made my Sunday.

          • debbie lynn

            David Flowers – awesome response! I have found out the same as you-that we are responsible for our own health. I learned this when I was a young mother trying to heal my baby through the medical establishment and found it woefully inadequate. I then turned to natural measures, use homeopathy and have a naturopath dr who helps my whole family stay well. We have now started going paleo because of allergies to gluten etc. It really is all about our food. Didn’t Socrates say, “let food be your medicine etc.. AND when we eat meat, we really do feel much better…but it has to be grass fed beef, organic chicken, etc.

          • Debbie says: “David Flowers – awesome response! I have found out the same as you-that we are responsible for our own health. I learned this when I was a young mother trying to heal my baby through the medical establishment and found it woefully inadequate. I then turned to natural measures, use homeopathy and have a naturopath dr who helps my whole family stay well. We have now started going paleo because of allergies to gluten etc. It really is all about our food. Didn’t Socrates say, “let food be your medicine etc.. AND when we eat meat, we really do feel much better…but it has to be grass fed beef, organic chicken, etc.”

            Debbie, that was a sweet comment and I love support because I fight an uphill battle and I fight any wrong and I have to disagree with you and fight some more. Debbie I despise natural healing and medicine more than I despise western drug medicine and the reason is simple and I hope you understand and see the simplicity of it.

            I hate your natural doctors because you have to go to paleo because of allergies. If your doctor had a clue or was right in any context he or she would have you all cured of allergies because you are designed to be allergy free and it has NOTHING to do with diet. Yes, gluten aggravates most diseases but it has never caused a disease. Salt causes blood pressure to rise but it never caused a disease known as high blood pressure.

            I hope you are serious about being responsible because the greatest part about being responsible is being able to accept being wrong. Natural medicine is the greatest fraud today, 25 years ago natural practitioners would have cured your family of allergies because that is what they did before the powers that be took over the industry of natural medicine. You homeopath doctor is trained, ruled and totally governed by the same people as western drug medicine. Socrates was wrong. Let WISDOM be your medicine and because then and only then can you focus on the FACT that you have an immune system sitting idle right now that can keep you disease free and it has nothing to do with food.

        • Keith

          It’s ignorant to think we aren’t meant to eat meat. Look at chimps, our relatives. They hunt and eat meat. We are opportunistic eaters, like them. You choose not to eat meat, which is fine. You have the opportunity to buy other things at the grocery store.

          That said, this will be my first and last comment on this site. I’ve gotten through a few comments from David Flowers and they are utter nonsense. “I have complete immunity to all diseases.” WTF.

          • Keith says: “I’ve gotten through a few comments from David Flowers and they are utter nonsense. “I have complete immunity to all diseases.” WTF.”

            I’m glad that was your last comment on the site Keith. I would like to point out that you did use the oldest ‘pro-meat’ eating scenario to justify humans eating meat. You took a stance and you disputed Nalliah’s content but when you popped off about my comment it was just a snide comment and I totally understand you know a little about chimps and what you like to eat but you don’t know about your immune system, not even enough to carry on a conversation with yourself. That’s typical,, it really is. No one told you to think about your immune system. No one told you that you are designed to be immune at any level or degree.

            Keith, your whole life you have been told that you are weak creature incapable of being disease free and that Keith is ALL you KNOW but you still took your shot at me because you are embarrassed about your inability to carry on a discussion about immunity.

            Let me be the first to say to you Keith, you have some immune capacity right now. You kill disease causing pathogens each day and the ONLY reason you are not completely immune to all disease is because you never thought about it. Isn’t that funny. You are simply oblivious to your own abilities in regards to immunity, what a shame.

      • This is just too much to think about, right now.

  23. DoWhatNow

    This is a story that’s over 2 years old and plagerized word-for-word from NaturalNews. Some website you have here that caters to the ignorant and out of touch.

    • DoWhatNow says with a bit too much irrational emotion: “This is a story that’s over 2 years old and plagerized word-for-word from NaturalNews. Some website you have here that caters to the ignorant and out of touch.”

      Sure DoWhatNow, it has been posted and it is not being plagiarized but now that Collective Evolution has posted it AGAIN for real evaluation the truth is coming out for the FIRST time.

      Many of the people who are reading this topic (some for the first time so lay off) are starting to see a bigger picture, something the readers from the original posting did not get or experience.

      For example, people simply believe that arsenic is EXTREMELY harmful because they believe even in low amounts it adds up but that is only because people have no clue what their lymphatic system does, it prevents chemicals from adding up as long as the lymphatic system isn’t hindered by lack of water or the use of antiperspirants.

      Now, here is an interesting point of view I realized this morning because my wife and I are discussing the option of bringing a child into the crappy misinformed society, I mentioned that she wouldn’t be able to smoke and drink, she drinks a little but doesn’t smoke, it was a joke but then I realized something YOU could never realize DoWhatNow, and that is the fact that since pregnant mothers stopped drinking and smoking while pregnant the overall health of newborns has gone DOWN.

      Now, I am not saying that drinking and smoking is good for the fetus, I’m simply saying it is and was not the cause of the health concerns at the time just LIKE arsenic and GMO foods are not the cause of the health concerns today.

      Lack of respect, understanding and study of the human immune system IS THE PROBLEM. Everyone of you can Google any health concern and be an expert in less than an hour EXCEPT for human immunity, if you Google something SO INCREDIBLE CRITICAL TO THE EXISTENCE OF MAN as human immunity you will only find MY work. There will be NO commercial studies like the one behind this article or behind any health article or opinion.

      Arsenic, smoking and drinking is not the cause of human frailness, lack of knowledge and truth is and I assure you outside of my comments and work, BOTH sides are wrong in every single printed articles on the internet in regards to health and healing which is WHY both sides fail to prevent or cure anything. It is not only common sense it is WISDOM, knowing that both sides is wrong hence the CONSTANT failure is WISDOM. Grab it while you can because you can have three PhD’s and not have any WISDOM.

      DoWhatNow, was any wisdom shared when the article was originally posted? I think NOT.

      Cheers and THANK YOU COLLECTIVE EVOLUTION!

      • Uh….there are no quality studies that confirm your “fact” that since women stopped drinking and smoking during pregnancy babies have become more unhealthy. I am aware there are opinions in terms of how much to drink, as in, it may be safe to have a glass of wine (recent study showed this but was proven to may have some flaws or control issues). But smoking is proven to kill you anyways so your comment is invalid when it comes to the health of the child. I can’t even begin to number the amount of studies that show that women who smoke during their pregnancies give birth to babies that are underweight. Underweight babies are at a higher risk to die early, not to mention have a higher risk of developmental problems. Just because ONE recent study came out that showed smoking to have little effect on a baby (unless coupled with poor eating habits and drinking = compounded issues), doesn’t mean we throw all the others done out the door just because they are a little older. Come on now.
        I’d be interested in knowing where you find your sources…

        This is an old story and it isn’t picking up traction. It’s reported on every so often. There has been arsenic in chicken since the 1940’s. People will eat it anyways. This reposted article made it seem as if roxarsone was just banned…it was banned in 2011. If you want to look at an article that is well written and has studies and links to back up what it’s saying you can read this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-hunt/arsenic-in-chicken_b_3267334.html

        Not saying that one is perfect either but it does a good job to show how significant the issue is is while at the same time how insignificant this problem is. The US raises 9 billion chickens on an annual basis. Estimates from one of the studies mentioned is that the arsenic in chicken could cause an average of “124” cancers per year.
        So while this is something that isn’t healthy, it’s not something to lose our minds over. There are ways to get chicken that has what is considered a safe level of inorganic arsenic to consume (which is the problem kind).

        I’m surprised this article is only mentioning chicken (a 2 year old repost and no new information added….that’s really bad in my opinion).
        The REAL and very concerning issue is how widely used arsenic is.
        I mean, look up the arsenic levels in apple juice. That’s just one example of a product that is mass consumed that has higher than what is considered safe levels of arsenic in it.
        A simple google search will bring up product after product that has concerning arsenic levels.

        The issue isn’t what’s in our chickens. The issue is the wide use of product containing inorganic arsenic.

        This repost was lazy and had no new information to offer. 0/5

        • danscholz says: “Uh….there are no quality studies that confirm your “fact” that since women stopped drinking and smoking during pregnancy babies have become more unhealthy.”

          Dan, I guess you missed my point, there are NO studies you can study or view that offer any useful information in regards, to health, healing, disease, cure or prevention. There is no such thing as a “quality study” if there were there would be QUALITY RESULTS. Come on Dan, work with me because if what I just said isn’t PURE common sense nothing is.

          Now, as to babies being healthier back when pregnant women smoked and or drank only AWARENESS and AGE can validate that. If you are 20 years old, NO, no validation for you. However if you are 40 years or older and not biased towards today’s corrupt medicine and science (so you can be honest with yourself and others) you will recall friends and other kids that did not have any health conditions at all. 40 and 50 years ago there were children that did not have any of the following: allergies, asthma, psoriasis, lactose intolerance, obesity, ADD, diabetes or acne. Now try to find a child today that doesn’t have at least one of those conditions if not multiple. Will there be “quality studies” on how many children are disease free today? Of course not, blind consumers are not suppose to notice the COMPLETE UTTER FAILURE OF MEDICINE AND SCIENCE. You are supposed to believe that you are stronger than people in the past and nothing can be further from the truth.

          I didn’t read any more of your comment, I simply didn’t have the time to go any further after your opening line was so ill prepared. I’m game for “quality” discussion and if you and I see eye to eye on this comment to clear up any questions about your first line then by all means lets start from scratch but if you think kids are healthier today than when women smoked and drank while pregnant than we simply are not after the same thing and I stay out of debates because there is no truth in a debate.

        • I know I am reaching quite a few people here but I also know I am upsetting just as many or more so let me put it this way. There are no “QUALITY STUDIES” today. ALL STUDIES are commercial, all published sides are commercial, even the natural alternative organic non-gmo is 100% commercial because all they are doing is trying to build a higher demand for their higher priced products.

          Again there are NO “Quality Studies” if there were, there would be cures, prevention, improved health and real knowledge instead of the endless pages of Google hearsay secondhand corrupt commercial credentialed propaganda. Post a link here I assure you if it is about health or healing it is COMMERCIAL and CORRUPT outside of my own work that keeps me in virtual poverty for being honest.

          The only thing anyone has going for them is AWARENESS and OBSERVATION, not “quality studies”. Stop taking secondhand hearsay as gospel, see the fruits of that hearsay. “By their fruits, ye shall know them.” If the fruit is bad the tree is bad.

          Everyone reading this wants to be healthy and disease free but not one of us here, not even me wants to see what would happen to the economy and population if society became righteous. People must suffer and die to keep the economy going and to stabilize the population. That is why my information is the only true information on the internet. The ONLY reason I still tell the truth despite my reserves is because I like a challenge. Like I had to know about human immunity, I HAVE TO KNOW if there is a way for society to take advantage of what is GOOD and still survive as a society and species. I have HOPE, the only HOPE I cling to that we could find a way to work in our own personal complete immunity to all disease and still function as a society. But I have said this a few time on CE and I have yet to see one person offer a scenario as to how we could function as a society if we were to implement human immunity to end all disease. So I know how to be immune to all disease, now for the real challenge and it looks like it is left entirely to me to figure out how to implement it back into society as it once was.

          • “Yep, David!” You’re 100% correct about this “commercialization!!!”

            Recently, I heard on local (propaganda station) NEWS that the price of “Milk” was going to be $8.00 a Gallon!!! Hmmm…??? Had I NOT investigated what the cost of a gallon of Coconut Milk, Rice Milk, and Almond Mild was, I would’ve been wondering “Why?” BUT, since I had, it’s very clear as the price of the alternatives ARE $8.00 a Gallon!!! (Okay, Almond Milk is ONLY $6.00 a gallon)

            btw…”I GOT YOUR BACK” when you figure out a way! :)

      • Chicken Eater

        The article caused me to look further into the issue, and I found the same thing as DoWhatNow — it was taken off the market years ago.

        I agree, a “big picture” viewpoint can be a good thing, on the other hand, forgetting to mention that point seems like it is intentionally trying to sway people to anger. Not ethical journalism and not necessary. One simple phrase, “Removed from the market in August of 2011″ would have clarified and people could still see the trends.

        • Chicken Eater, CE is a site for evolution so people can evolve if they want too. The way articles are dealt with here is not the same as the way they were dealt with on Natural News. Half the comments here would have been banned and deleted from the Natural News blog because Natural News is completely commercially corrupt.

          The Natural News is BIG part of the problem with the world today. Their role is not the same as CE.

          Sure their are emotional outburst here by the same kind of people that posted on the topic when it was at Natural News but there are comments here that can settle the emotions and reveal the truth in ways no other internet site can. I’m starting to get he feeling that is what you and DoWhatNow are upset with. I get the feeling you do not approve of the comments here. I get the feeling my comments might be the thorn in your sides.

          Maybe I shouldn’t presume about you and DWN, but I do know for a fact that Natural News cannot let comments on their site that contradict their personal agenda. That’s why CE is a superior site to NN.

    • Megan
  24. Censor Til Sin

    Read this folks – don’t just jump to conclusions because of buzzwords. http://www2.ca.uky.edu/poultryprofitability/Cheeps_and_Chirps/Misconceptions.pdf

    • Censor Til Sin, I didn’t read the link because I saw it included edu in the link. I’m sure there is some accuracy in the article you wanted to share with us all but at the same time the article comes from the same industry that CONSTANTLY fails to improve the health and well being of humanity.

      I will venture to say that I have already touched on and shared any of the truths found in the article you wished to share in my very own comments here.

      I’m not saying people shouldn’t click the link, I just want people to know that your link is to an article that is powered by the same people that power both sides of the OPINIONS being expressed by the people doing the studies.

      That is the point I am trying to make clear so we can make the proper changes. The people in charge of everything are BEHIND both sides. They want people to believe the arsenic is bad and they want people to believe the arsenic is not bad. It is no different than having two parties for our government.

      The truth is only available when you forsake the two popular side/opinions. You will never get the truth from any “expert” or “study” only what they want you to hear and repeat for the overall success of industry.

      Some people will say I’m crazy but others will see that I am correct because what I share explains why both so-called respected sides of the debate are equally ineffective and impotent at IMPROVING our health. That means that no credentialed study has ANY merit in regards to health improvement.

      So you link, in my OPINION means nothing but beating a dead horse.

      • Mike Jones

        Keep your head in the sand, then. So smart of you. David Flowers is an example of parents telling their kids that they are smart and gifted when they clearly are not.

        • Mike, I have complete immunity when I have children they will have complete immunity because we will take advantage of how we are designed so who’s head is in the sand?

          You can’t even discuss immunity because your whole existence is buried in the sand so you would never even consider your immune capacity or expect a controlled immune response. Buddy, you have to come up for air sometime and you will learn you are better than you give yourself credit for. You really are not the fragile weakling you believe yourself to be. BUCK UP! :)

      • Kris

        You’re commenting on something that you admittedly have not read? Wow.

        • Kris, some of us have moved forward. I read the link and I know where it comes from and I know the source. The source is just as I explained in my comment.

          Now Kris, if anyone responsible for the data in the link can control immune response to generate an immune response or if they can otherwise cure or prevent disease then slap me like small child because I should be ashamed. But, as much as you refuse to admit, the source is useless as mammary glands on a chicken.

          I’m not biased, I KNOW that the data on both sides of the discussion is as useless as mammary glands on a chicken. Why would I waste my time on information that has no value because the source has no real credibility only fictional perceived blind credibility.

          So yes Kris, I disregarded the information with serious and responsible consideration. You would to if you had a platform of truth to work on.

        • By the way Kris and Mike Jones, those who have been following this thread have also been keeping up with my comments and they know that I disagree with any data or source that is ineffective at preventing disease, curing disease or offering some kind of immunity. You don’t take your car or computer to someone who openly admits they can’t fix the machines so how far does a head have to be stuck in the sand to keep going to a constantly consistent failing health care provider who cannot provide health care?

          You show me a real health care provider outside of trauma and I will take a look at the link.

          • Jay

            You have a very typical arguing style, David. It’s called a strawman argument. In case others don’t know, you attempt to blow away the issue at hand so fiercely that nothing can come back. Then, if you’re afraid that they can, you “beg the question” and not actually comment on the subject material at hand.

            Bash the source all you want. You only accept sources which you think are appropriate and which only support your point of view. You accept no evidence of the contrary.

            When you are researching something, look up multiple things and see if you can find evidence for both sides. From what I have found, they DID feed arsenic to chicken to help the growth. One additive remains.

            http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=13-P13-00040&segmentID=1
            http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/10/02/no-more-arsenic-animal-feed-fda-says
            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/opinion/kristof-arsenic-in-our-chicken.html

            Everyone needs to keep in mind that arsenic in small amounts is not harmful. In the amount that the chickens eat and then when you eat the chickens it’s not harmful. Arsenic makes the chickens grow faster than they normally do, meaning less time from the farm to your kitchen. More product to meet the demand means a lower price.

            The object of this article is to make you upset. It’s to make you angry as in “How dare they add poison to my chicken?!” when you have no clue why they do it. It doesn’t explain what it does or why they add it. There’s a reason, they just don’t want to tell you in the article. It’s a good persuasion technique to leave that out, but a bad argument technique.

            Before believing something for its face value, please, research it yourself. Look up multiple sources from both sides. Don’t look up sources that just support your claim. That will only make you more close-minded.

          • Jay, I’m sorry but you have confused me with someone naive enough to Google and call it RESEARCH. LOL, I just watched “The Internship” last night about Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson interning at Google.

            Jay, you still haven’t read any of my comments yet you offered your opinion about how I argue. At least in a round about way you admitted you cannot dispute any of my claims because I’m a “straw man”. Why not call me the “wicker man”?

            Jay the STUDIES you Google and “research” (I use the word “research” very lightly) are not medical studies or even scientific studies they are MARKETING STUDIES. They create them to see you you and the other consumers will react so that they can then TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

            Now the funny part is, those who are against commercial chicken in favor of free range chicken (me, I don’t care either way) are using “studies” where both sides of the studies are being submitted by the same institution. That’s right, the people putting arsenic in the chicken feed are the same ones suggesting it is harmful to humans.

            There is a reason Jay, ‘they’ want YOU to believe you are such a fragile weak person because of what you eat instead of because what you know.

            So forgive me Jay, if you can because I will not fall victim to marketing scams known as “studies”. I will make my observations and you will hate it because Google defines you Jay and without Google you are knowledge-less.

            Because you have only read a comment or two of mine and because you hate them, I want to make sure you know that I don’t care about chickens being fed arsenic I am here to tell people that the “studies” carry no factual data and I am aware that you disagree but here is where we differ you think I am trying to get people to dismiss studies in favor of other data and I am not, I’m just here pointing out that ALL “studies” are designed for marketing not research or improved health as you all BELIEVE they are. If they were, there would be some improvements in health and other areas.

            Jay, I make a very bold statement, surely you can come up with one little dispute instead of trying to dismiss my data as being indisputable because of the way I present it. Jay, I simply have higher standards and I no longer approve of manipulation. The “studies” you support and want other to continue to support have all the evidence in the world of being manipulative but NO evidence of it being scientific and valid other than touting the CREDENTIALS as if credentials make it true.

            Sorry Jay I only respect studies that lead to finite absolute solid results and as far as you and I know there are NONE. Don’t hate me, hate the con behind all the crappy billion dollar studies splattered all over Google.

          • Jay

            The funny thing about those links are that they in a way support this. They state that they had additives that contained arsenic and are removing them. This post failed to mention the reason that the arsenic being added was because it makes the chickens grow faster, reducing the time it takes them to reach market weight.

            Why don’t you research for yourself why arsenic is added to chicken feed? Can you give me a good source that tells why it’s done? Note that some of these studies will not lead to a finite solution. Causal relationships take many years to establish.

            http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/intheworkplace/arsenic

            Exposure to high doses can cause cancer, but that site doesn’t mention if those people were predisposed due to family history or whatever else may be going on. You can get cancer by living a completely healthy lifestyle, or any disease for that matter.

          • Jay, I don’t know if you meant to direct that comment about why arsenic was or is added to chicken feed, but I already knew why and I am not debating the whys or reasons for using arsenic in any feed. It’s common sense.

  25. Nadia

    My question is why is arsenic in the chicken feed in the first place…there has to be a benefit I am assuming???

    • Tara B

      That was my question too, Nadia. I’m not sure how legit this source is, but it claims “increased rate of weight gain, improved feed efficiency, and improved pigmentation.” So all in all a tool for mass production. I don’t eat meat for my own personal reasons, but I was curious nonetheless. http://vegetarian.about.com/od/healthnutrition/f/Arsenic2.htm

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