Florida Makes Off-Grid Living Illegal – Mandates All Homes Must Be Connected To Electricity & Water Grid


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Robin Speronis lives off the grid in Florida, completely independent of the city’s water and electric system. A few weeks ago, officials ruled her off-grid home illegal. Officials cited the International Property Maintenance Code, which mandates that homes be connected to an electricity grid and a running water source.

That’s like saying our dependency on corporations isn’t even a choice. The choice to live without most utilities has been ongoing for Robin, the self-sufficient woman has lived for more than a year and a half using solar energy, a propane camping stove and rain water.

In the end, she was found not guilty of not having a proper sewer or electrical system; but was guilty of not being hooked up to an approved water supply.

Speronis is still being hassled by the municipality of Cape Coral for not having a connection to city water, nor proper sewage. That. regardless of the fact the city capped her sewers themselves.

Robin Speronis during a news interview.

Robin Speronis during a news interview.

Is Off-Grid Really Illegal?

In essence yes. To live off the grid means to not have to hook up to any corporate or municipal utilities. If a municipality makes it illegal to disconnect from any given utility, they are in essence making off grid living illegal.

“It means living independently, mainly living independently of the utility companies. Providing your own power. It does not mean living in the stone age, it’s not about bush craft. It’s about generating your own power, your own water, dealing with your own waste. Probably as part of a community, not living on your own like a hermit. It’s also about being more self-reliant and being less dependent on the system. Perhaps realizing that the system isn’t really protecting us anymore and we have to look after ourselves.” – George Noory

Exploring Our Potential Beyond The Grid

Our potential as a human race is quite extraordinary, we just don’t realize it. Sustainable living is not about giving up a certain lifestyle. We can still have all the modern amenities, design and beyond. We simply need to transition from one way of seeing housing to another.

One potential issue with off the grid living is that corporations will lose their ability to control others with their utility. This could be the type of political and corporate agreements that give people like Speronis issues to begin with.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozled has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan

Moving Away From Dependence

The human race does not need to be dependent on these corporations for basic needs in the manner we have now. While we continue to feed this dependency, the planet continues to suffer. In order to move forward, we must start cooperating with each other, and realize just how much potential we have to create something  we can take into our own hands and do sustainably. We can’t wait for these coproations to come up with solutions as they will likely be very profit oriented.

Another Case of State Hassle

Earlier this year, Texas state brought several SWAT teams to a sustainable community and threatened to shut it down. Each one of the community members were initially handcuffed at gunpoint. It was called “The Garden of Eden Community,” and was totally self sustainable. You can read more about that here.

Sources:

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-stream-officialblog/2014/2/25/florida-court-challengesoffthegridliving.html

http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/02/22/court-rules-off-the-grid-living-is-illegal/


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  1. kellel79

    Well there is a little hope with the garbage warrior making some progress in his district. This is the reason if you want to live off the grid move to south america.

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    • Move to south America? That’s ignorant. So people should be forced to pay for power and water?

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      • I agree. I would also draw up a legal agreement stating that if I connect to electric and water sources provided by the city/state, if I produce more than I use, they are legally obligated to purchase back the excess at the same rate they charge me. Seems fair enough!

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        • Ray Brighrt

          I am grid-tied, but disagree with you. They charge you ‘retail’ price, no one can both charge and sell at ‘retail’. They should pay you what they pay other ‘providers’ which is the wholesale cost. That’s fair. I’m looking into going DC all over my house, battery only.

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        • judith you got the right idea there…..it IS fair.

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        • I agree – on the legally binding contract saying they have to buy it back from you – but I say you make your own rates (because then you are a business entity and need to make decisions based on profit, because they are for profit, so why can’t you be?). Make them exorbitant. And then inflate those rates at random intervals citing “transmission” or “maintenance” or “3rd party assistance” etc. See how quickly they reverse those laws when as a person you’re charging your power company 30-90 cents a kwH.

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    • mike turner

      I saw this today about it being illegal to go off grid and am fed up. I baught 2 actress of land and moving out way further North Florida to get away from all this. Currently live in Fort Lauderdale.

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      • where I live near new Hope pppl live off the grid andnoone bothers them. it is 5 miles to the nearest store, so it is pretty cool down here. love it.

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      • mike turner

        Land can get so cheap when you move out to the country. It can even be $1,000. An acre. Though i paid $5,000. An acre and it has a well, electric, septic, and a small run down house possibly salvageable. There are some nice giant live Oaks for a tree house and from the looks of what the neighbors have in their yards off this dirt road no one is going to care like code enforcement. I would never have thought of this 6 years ago and now i want to be a permaculture minded farmer and make a food tree forest raising bees etc. Give me a year. Cheers!

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        • Go for it Mike !! I did it 18 months ago and have never been happier or more enlightened.
          It isn’t for wussys though. Its tough at first…. Good luck and Cheers to you !!

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    • Anthony

      Exactly. I’m done with NA and will be out as soon as I scrape together enough dough. NA and its legal system is a joke, and that’s not to say that the legal system down south is better, but they nonetheless have less of a grip on its society. The smaller the government the better.

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  2. She can not use rain water, it’s illegal now, because rain water contains illegal chemtrail filaments which may not be good for her health… It is also illegal to breathe outside of your home, because the outside unfiltered air contains massive amounts of illegal chemwebs sprayed by the illegal government and the illegal military machine and those illegal chemwebs can damage her health. Be aware of that and please follow the proper codes when breathing and drinking. Make sure you wear a gas mask when you go outside.

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    • I hope that’s satire LOL

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      • Unfortunately it isn’t, dtalbot. People actually believe that the contrails (condensation trails) left in the sky by passing jets are actually chemicals that all the jets are spraying into the atmosphere to poison all of the planet’s inhabitants, and that it is a plot concocted by the elite world leaders to rid the planet of peons like us. My question is this; do the politicians and world leaders actually hate us enough to kill themselves and their own families in order to kill us? Don’t they breathe the same air as us? Or do they have super powers? Or maybe they’re space aliens who breathe what would be poisonous to us Earthlings? Some people will believe anything some kook lays on them, then they call the rest of us sheeple.

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    • misty

      Charm, I think you’re confusing chemtrails with contrails. Contrails is predominantly water vapor and dissipates within a few minutes. Chemtrails are real and the correct terminology or name to research this is Geoengineering. If you look up “chemtrails” you will find lots of “conspiracy theories”, but if you look up Geoengineering you will find that it is VERY REAL, as well as the science and evidence one would need to accept this as reality/fact. Oxford has a very good website put up on it.

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    • misty

      Shri is correct, the delivery of information reads as if she is fear driven, but I believe she is not. She is informed and bringing up a very good point. If you are not aware of what is being sprayed I urge you to research it. The correct name is not “chemwebs” or “chemtrails” it’s called Geoengineering. It’s a government program.

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      • Misty you are correct about the Geo-engineering. It’s been around since the 50s.

        It’s just been in the last 10 or 12 yrs. or so that they’ve really been ramping up the program and becoming more visible about it all (chemtrails)
        It also goes hand in hand with HAARP on some levels.

        Even though the govt.has said they are dismantling or abandoning the one in Alaska there are arrays in other areas.

        Problem is most people would rather be good little brainwashed conformists and believe everything the govt. military, and corporate America tells them to do and think, instead of doing their own critical thinking and own research.
        It’s always easier to believe lies than to believe the truth.

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    • Mani Redhawk

      Are you Serious? if so, you really have allowed fear mongering to take hold of your thinking!

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    • CONTROL FREAKS, THEY WANT TO CONTROL OUR LIVES!!!

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      • Grumpy

        Not “want”. We are controlled. See Orwell and Sagan.

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    • Souris Optique

      “Illegal” does not mean “not recommended by conspiracy theorists,” it means “against the law.” Real laws, that have been passed by local, state or national governments. Nowhere is it “illegal to breathe outside your own home.” Nowhere. You think you can find one? Post a link.

      We won’t even get started on “rain water contains illegal chemtrail filaments.”

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      • Ali

        Do…do you really think he was being serious? Oh wow…

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      • another citizen

        Chemtrails are real and they are everywhere. When I was a kid you never seen those kinds of lines in the sky,so you tell me where they come from other than the gov spraying something up there. Wake up dude.

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        • Don’t know how old you are or where you grew up, but as long as there have been jets in the sky, I have seen their contrails. Not chemtrails. Contrails.

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        • Charm

          If you never saw them when you were a kid…were you a kid prior to the commercial airline industry? That would explain why you never saw them. As commercial air travel grew, so did ‘chemtrails’.

          I’m going to tell you a secret. Shhhh, don’t tell anybody else…

          THEY’RE NOT SOME NEFARIOUS PLOT BY THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!! THEY JUST HAPPEN WHEN A PLANE FLIES THROUGH CERTAIN ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS!!!!!!!!!!

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          • Kim

            chemtrails are the modern bigfoot. they don’t exist but people keep seeing them. check the wiki. Chemtrails is a fraud and a scare.

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      • I’d tell how I’d circumvent that law, but then they’d see it and start to make laws against it, lol

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      • Efesgirl

        I guess the sarcasm of that post was lost on you, eh?

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      • bob

        As a military aircraft and civilian aircraft mechanic and pilot for over 15 years, I can safely tell you that there is no “chemical dispensing” reservoir in any engine ive ever overhauled designed to spray things into the atmosphere. Its the same phenomenon as when you exhale your hot breath on a cold day and it steams. It just freezes at that altitude and temperature and stays aloft as a cloud. Maybe you’re making the air polluted by breathing then!!!

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        • Then can you explain what Albedo Modification is? I’m no scientist or aircraft mechanic but sure sounds like chemtrails to me.

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        • rick

          Being a pilot/aircraft mechanic does not make you a “know it all”.

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          • As a person who has spent the last year living in the mountains of Nm and watching and studying the sky’s for the last 18 months. I can confidently tell you there’s a huge difference between vapor trails, contrails and chemtrails. Chemtrails are not a theory…they are a fact. I in fact get a chemical smell in the air when it first starts to rain. I live 7500 ft above sea level so am above the pollution level and hundreds of miles from large cities.
            Funny also how when I was growing up in the country 40 yrs ago, the only thing I ever saw were vapor trails and the occasional contrail. Both dissipated and didn’t become clouds of any sort.

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  3. Ah, yet another reason for me to move to the free world outside of the USSA.

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    • carla

      That was a funny one…USSA…

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  4. alex roe

    this would seem like a good way to sue the electric and water comp. if they cut you off for not paying your bill, by shutting off your water and power they would be guilty of assisting in a crime by making you off grid.

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    • John

      good call

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    • Anthony

      Touche!

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  5. Phill Nuttall

    They have done the same here in southern Spain, land of free and plentiful sun, illegal to generate your own electric via solar panels…… You are allowed to resell into the grid what you produce and this is measured with a meter, opting out isn’t an option.

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    • Here in the Netherlands too, you have to remain on the grid and even if you don’t use it you have to pay for the privilege

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    • Anthony

      I read about that. Apparently for each violation one is fined a minimum of 26 or 27 million, for generating your own solar power without declaring it or something like that. Literally insane.

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  6. Next they will telling us exactly where each person is allowed to live. How stupid! Another brick out of the wall as was predicted – by Pink Floyd.

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    • But the Government is controlling Education and telling you or your kids on how your job should be in the future instead of the kid/parent picking their own classes and their own paths to become successful in life

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  7. Kev

    Welcome to Crimea. The same megalomaniacs seem to be dictating terms to most of the worlds population.
    This is sad nonsensical behavior.
    The people of America have become so incredibly docile and misinformed for so long that they are unable to comprehend the manifestations of control that dictate their lives.
    This has been the plan for several generations. It is now coming to fruition.
    We can still stop this, but with deceptionists flooding the media with their agenda, and the majority of people believing what they see on television, I doubt the people will be able to fight the complex monstrosity that they have helped to build with their money and their disregard.
    America will implode. The military command structure will take control when the monetary system fails. The monetary system is true slavery, indebting every individual at birth with a portion of this imaginary amount.
    The devaluation of currency is the devaluation of work value. This technique destroys savings over time, making any accrued value worthless. Any savings become valueless through this methodology.
    Money equals food. Food production is now being controlled by companies like Monsanto.
    Power production equals food production. This is something that needs to be stopped if the control freaks want to maintain their corporatocracy.
    It may be time for an exodus. But where oh where will all the people go?
    Ask the Builderbergs, the Trilateralists and the Club of Rome. They are building camps for those that do not approve of these tactics against the populace.
    We are after all just peasants, and they are the children of God and the future of mankind.
    Or so they like us to think.

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  8. REPUBLICANS.

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    • James

      Sorry, that would be in DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED South Florida.

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    • TR

      More like Democrats. They want you to rely on Government whether local or federal….

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  9. arcticguy

    As a Canadian who lived in our country’s Arctic regions for many ears, I find this story absolutely incredible. Many northerners live independent of any municipal connect be it water, sewer, electrical, heat, etc. and the winters I experienced were long, cold and little sunlight for several months in winter. All my friends and acquaintances were totally self-contained using wood, propane, solar(in season) and wind power, with no thought that it was a big deal.
    The incredible part is that your democratically elected representatives would cave in to corporate pressure and send SWAT teams to your places of residence , arrest you, charge you and shut you down. That’s way over the top, people! So the burning question is: What are you going to do about it?

    I invite all American free spirits to emigrate to Canada where independent living is a part of who we are.

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    • Grumpy

      Aha! That’s the key: who controls the office-holder with contributions. Worse now that corporations are “people”!

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    • Cheryl

      You have to take this article with a grain of salt. It was written by liberals with agendas and replied to by their buddies with the same mindsets and no real thinking of their own. Right now its the fashion to hate on Texas and its neighbors because they are doing very well as far as economy and freedom from things like those ridiculous SAFE Act laws things. For this reason I highly doubt it was a real swat team. It was more likely some kind of sheriff called to come over to settle a fight between neighbors with different opinions on life. If you get out of the cities and away from liberals you will find 75% at least of Americans are living pretty sustainably, and are fairly decent people to each other.

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      • Daytona Beach, Florida, The year was 1991, the issue was Water and Sewer. I was just moving into a house in Daytona after losing the Farm in Samsula. We had very little cash so everything we had went toward, Rental ,1st, Last and deposit, Deposit for electric, FPL worked with us, but then came the problem, I was just $3.00 short of the deposit for the City of Daytona Beach Utilities (Water). I had already exhausted all resources and friends that had showed all compassion because they knew my desperation was caused by my children’s Mother that had tried to kill them. The bottom line was, No concern of theirs, they wanted the FULL amount or no service, AND, to add insult to Injury, They Informed Children and Family Services, that we were possibly living in an unsafe environment for the children. So for a $3.00 shortage, I almost lost Custody of my children, it was a Blessing that the Responding Investigator brought a Police Officer also and He gave me the $3.00 from his own pocket to resolve a very serious situation simply.

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    • arcticguy, if only I could move to Canada, but I’ve been a bad boy (dwi) and I have the upmost respect that Canada frowns on this! Anybody can move into this damn place!!! I would bow and kiss your Flag, and spit on ours. Plus I love lots of snow and long winters. Yea, what’s that tyranical crap about the swat team getting involved!! I am of the opinion that husein obama is going to declare martial law right befor e his term is supposed to end and force himself to rule us until he dies.

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    • Anthony

      I’m Canadian. We aren’t any more independent than Americans. Maybe in desolate places like up north where you once lived, but not down south and not near any major cities.

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      • arcticguy

        Labelling our beautiful north country as “desolate” says a lot about your lifestyle and your geographical residence. I suggest you pull yourself away from whatever social media device you’re constantly utilizing and get your butt up north for an extended visit. You’re missing a lot of history and the grounded sense of who we are as a people. You want to meet REAL Canadians? Go north, young man, go north.

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        • Anthony

          You’ve misinterpreted my comment; I didn’t label the entire country as desolate. Also, I don’t see how those who live up north are any more Canadian than anybody else with Canadian citizenship. Travelling north would be an adventure, though.

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  10. Here we go again believing in the mis-perception of the constitution … in so many ways the constitution are governing laws established as to maintain a bondage hold on and over the mainstream people enslaving them to live by the British oppressing monetary system …. and the “We the People” in the constitution is duly meant the We the People of British and the satanic elite heritage … and NOT “We the People of America” …

    We needed laws to back the rights given in the constitution … all rights of the constitution are simply privileges allowed the people that can be taken away at any time … because any rights not backed by law, are simply privileges .. and the British corporation had no intention of making such laws which they stated so plainly in the constitution saying …“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or (no law) prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or (no law) abridging the freedom of speech, or (no law abridging)ect ect ect” … the truth is hidden in the true meaning of the words … WE NEEDED LAWS BACKING THE CONSTITUTION …

    But now our hope stands in the end of this oppression system … and that promised deliverance into a new and Positive state of consciousness and righteous hearts …

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  11. Just because you’re connected doesn’t mean you have to use the electricity or water they provide.

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    • Marcuscassius

      Nope. You only have to do what they say, when they say, the way they say to. If you do that, you’re just fine. Personally I call that slavery. I thought it was MY country? Guess I was wrong.

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    • mararinn

      It does mean you have to pay for the connection, which usually means an up-front charge and a periodic fee for maintenance and meter reading.

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  12. Another example of the ‘The Land of the Free’ delusion.

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  13. And yet, we can’t live in harmony with nature if we live exactly “as we do today” except not on the grid. Where do you think all those nifty whiz-bang gadgets came from? You speak disparagingly of living in the “Stone Age,” but that term is a misnomer; it is no more than Westerners living as foragers (hunter-gatherers), basically when we were living similarly to how Native Americans lived a couple hundred years ago. There was no collective “we” who “left the Stone Age behind”. Some of us just chose to become domesticated slaves to the elite.

    Upon all that are your whiz-bang gadgets built. You know all those “where stuff comes from” videos they showed you as a kid that were oh so fascinating? Go back and watch them again. Really pay attention, because the amount of earth-raping that was necessary to “advance” us to this point is staggering.

    Then, go look up Derrick Jensen… read a few of his books, knock your brain sideways.

    You think not being allowed to go without a water pipe is oppressive. Try being run off your ancestral lands because someone wants your oil for plastic to build laptops.

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    • touche

      What did you use to type & post that comment?

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    • Dana! You are already my friend – you “get it” and you speak truth. I assume you’ve read some Daniel Quinn? I will go hit Derrick Jensen immediately.

      Yeah, where do the solar panels come from? Money and manufacturing. What happens when they get old and need replacement? More money, technology and manufacturing.

      We have turned our backs sickeningly on the very nature and cooperative life that got us humans through the first three million years of our evolution. It’s only very very recently that we turned aside and we’re destroying everything and headed for extinction. And……worst of all, while this is happening our thinking is so deluded and poisoned we cannot even see what we’ve done and the horror of a mess we’re making. And we’re lonely. Where do you live? I’m trying to relate to my land over here in Naples. It’s a disheartening process.

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    • - Collective Evolution

      It is indeed time to return to our roots of living in harmony with nature, not against it :)

      • You are right, it is, but we’re not going to get there with lies like your headline and the rhetoric in your article. Off-grid electric power is legal in Fl, and not even harassed. The code cited does not mandate electric utility hookup. Edit your article to take the lies out, please.

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        • - Collective Evolution

          The headline is not a lie, ], it’s also effective for generating interest to make others aware of some other very important issues embedded in the article. All buildings are required to be properly hooked up to the grid.

          http://publicecodes.cyberregs.com/icod/ipmc/2012/icod_ipmc_2012_6_sec004.htm

          “Every occupied building shall be provided with an electrical system in compliance with the requirements of this section and Section 605.” Check out section 605…they can take down any off grid home they’d like, no problem.

          • i read that code, and independent solar power satisfies every portion of it. Nowhere does it state that the electricity needs to come from a grid or utility. Nowhere does the NEC, the code adopted as the standard for the vast majority of FL jurisdictions, require hookup to a utility grid. In fact, it’s full of details about how to properly and safely wire independent electric power withour a grid from solar, wind, microhydro, fuel cells, and more. It is very explicit, more than the IPMC, which also allows solar and wind electricity without any connection to a grid. THe IPMC does require that electrical power be “properly installed and maintained in a safe and approved manner”, but don’t tell me you object to that. They cannot take down any off-grid home they like, and furthermore, are not in the habit of it, and have never once even tried. Your headline is a lie. “Grid” refers to electric utility power, and that is NOT required in FL, not even on Coral Gables. Generating interest is fine, but not at the expense of truth. This headline lies.

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  14. Because you just separated from the state and started your own State department by removing yourself from the power grid and all other services provided by that state and they consider it an act of war. -Greedy Liars Doctrine

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    • Souris Optique

      Whatever local corporation that sells the electricity in your region is not “the State.”

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      • True. Private utility corporations are not the government.

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  15. just a thought. Not a rant. Not an advocacy of either side. Part of this issue has to do with public health. I can imagine a non-responsible, off-the-grid individual or family. Some hermit, with children, and he’s NOT providing his family with a clean source of water. He makes his kids walk miles to a source to get it. He’s NOT responsibly treating the family’s waste. It runs in an open swale on his property. He does NOT have an alternate source of electricity. He burns unsanitary animal waste in an open, un-vented sheet metal stove in the living room for heat. He is NOT a responsible off-the-grid advocate. Laws need to be created to avoid this kind of situation, right?

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    • Ali

      This is a good point. Maybe what they should do is if someone decides to have children, they must “be on the grid”. People might make the dumb argument of “oh well people did it for years before technology!” But I don’t see a lot of people fighting to get rid of their cars or cellphones (not the best argument but you get where I’m coming from). As an American, especially without children, you should be free to live however the fuck you want as long as you pay your taxes,

      Another thing to think about is the waste thing. We rely on some rivers and outlets for water. There is SO MANY fucking people nowadays. If we threw our waste just wherever, we’d fuck with the systems. There would be random landfills that would grow without regulation. I know we cut too many trees down now, but what if everyone wanting to live off the grid wanted to build a house?

      Want to really be off the grid? We would STILL need regulations and laws so we dont fuck everything up and take up even more resources than we’re using now. Am I saying we can’t do it? No. But I seriously doubt it’ll happen, at least in this lifetime.

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    • that’s where the fun starts… we “help” him get it right. Teach. we are both, Teachers and Students.

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    • furyianfyre

      It’s funny that you talk about “public health” when most public utilities provide “smart meters” that are proven to cause cancer and drinking water polluted with fluoride that is toxic.

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    • So, John, if the concern is responsibility and public health, then what you want to legislate is a standard that needs to be met. If someone is meeting those standards “off the grid”, THEN what is the concern?

      The truth in this country always boils down to what benefits commerce, not public health.

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    • @John Prokop; You should stop deluding yourself ( because you aren’t fooling anyone else…) Your *whole* argument is how this would be a very bad idea. There is no counter-balance, no equilibrium in your argument, at all. You make it abundantly clear that there ought to be laws, in your opinion that regulate how every person ought to live. As if nobody have any right to separate themselves from mainstream society and live a life of peace and self-sufficiency, if they so choose. That makes you un-American, by my reckoning. Anyone else want to chime in on his non-rant?

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    • Realize that a large population in America live with water wells, septic tanks ! That seems to be a health concern over no electricity. Don’t forget, there is no law saying the power, water or sewerage companies have to provide these services….I hope you understand my comparison. It’s not penny wise for these companies to furnish services if they can’t make a profit, material cost is prohibited, unlike our choices, you pay, you in heep big trouble ! Wouldn’t be nice if the American Indians would have those companies…….

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      • JG

        in my town, you cannot refuse trash service..if you don’t pay, they will put a lien on your house, and sue you…

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    • joe

      All those things may be true.but you have plenty of that happening right now with people who are connected the “the grid”

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  16. RO

    And has anyone reached out to the ACLU or has that organization been bought off too?

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  17. You lost me with over-unity. There is no such thing, there never will be. Even the sun will burn out….

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    • And your description of a windmill is? Or a watermill? Or solar power? They are ALL over-unity machines. I would suggest you look up the work of Dr. Victor Klimov of the Los Alamos National Laboratory, Dr. Paul LaViolette, Dr Harold Aspden, Dr. James Woodward, the Dean Drive, the Podkletnov Gravity Shield, John Searl, Townsend Brown, O. Heaviside, E. Whittaker, Patterson Power Coil, Dr. Thomas Bearden, Dr. Randall Mills and Blacklight Power, Dr. Deboah Chung, Floyd Sweet, Gabriel Kron, Dr. Henry Moray, and of course…the master himself….Nikola Tesla. Enlightenment is a wonderful journey. It healthfully cures foot in mouth disease.

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    • Such an irrelevant point. When the sun burns out, humanity is f***ked anyway.

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      • jose

        that will take millions of years, and when the sun “Burns out” It will expand into a Red Giant anything near the sun lets say this planet will be obliterated, massive solar Flares emitted from the sun will Tear apart the planets leaving nothing but rocks in space.
        Then comes a super nova then Neutron Star Humanity would have found another place to live by than across the stars. In one million years.

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        • wrong it will just burn out there will be no super nova or neutron star they only come from super massive stars

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  18. I find it hard to believe this kind of nonsense could survive litigation. Seriously.

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  19. The women mentioned in this article is only partially living off the grid. She uses the city sewer system for flushing household waste products….however she uses rain water. I’ve commented on this story on other news outlets, and people seem confused to think that part of the payment for water is not also sewerage infrastructure but also waste water clean up which both come at a cost to install, maintain, and run. The city has given her a month to comply or appeal before the given date to turn the water on.

    I do think the city has something in saying if she is going to use the sewer to also pay for it. To pay for it she has to have an account with the water company (which is owned by the city). So yes her water would be turned on to her house, but as it’s metered if she doesn’t use any, she wont pay for the use. However some type of flat fee would be reasonable for her use of the sewer. She is using it, it’s fair that she chip in.

    So, is she a great success in living off the grid? Yes, but she’s still on it a bit.

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    • She is using it, it is only fair she chip in. Good comment, Angel.

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    • I also have concerns about her home not having running AC she may have mold issues and not even realize it. She wont let inspectors in to her home, however it would be wise to have a mold inspection. People are advised to keep the AC on year round here because your AC system has a dehumidifier that helps avoid mold. Mold is a very serious issue in structures in South West Florida.

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  20. No matter how self-sufficient, we still have to buy government mandated health care now.

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  21. Dan Nelson

    I just looked over Chapter 6 of the IPMC for Mechanical and Electrical Requirements and I don’t see where it says you must be hooked up to the grid. There are certain service requirements, but in these could be met using solar panels. You do have to be hooked up to water when it’s available. I’m not a fan of these requirements for individuals vs contractors, but it would be nice if the article would quote the code as a means to tackling it.

    A lot of these minimums were put into place in order to ensure quality of life standards because the poor were often taken advantage by the wealthy. People expect to have running water and electricity when they rent an apartment or a house, and removing these quality standards would probably do a lot of harm to people in poverty in the US…

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    • Well said, Dan. Off-grid solar electricity is legal in every jurisdiction in FL. i’ve put some of it in place, with permits, inspections, and approval, no hassle.

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  22. Isn’t this unconstitutional? It’s all about money. Always is. Living off the grid is true freedom. Can’t have any of that in America now can we?

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  23. The owner was not guilty of not being hooked up the grid. She was not guilty of not having a sewer hookup. She was found guilty of not having a hookup to the water system.

    The headline is misleading/erroneous unless the part of the story where she was forced to hook up to the grid was edited out.

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    • Well said, tzsm98. Off-grid solar electricity is legal in every jurisdiction in FL. i’ve put some of it in place, with permits, inspections, and approval, no hassle.

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