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Joe Rogan “Pushed Over The Edge” About UFOs After His Recent Podcast With Bob Lazar

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    Joe Rogan recently interviewed Bob Lazar, a man who has claimed to have worked on extraterrestrial technology at secret government facilities. He (Rogan) claims this particular interview really pushed him over the edge from skeptic to believer.

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    Why did it take the testimony of Bob Lazar to push Rogan Over the edge when there is a plethora of factual and very credible evidence suggesting that UFOs are real and that some are manned by extraterrestrials?

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Joe Rogan, who is obviously well known, has always had an interest in the UFO/Extraterrestrial phenomenon. That being said, we here at Collective Evolution have always felt that he failed to look at the actual evidence that exists out there in a proper way. Anybody who examines the evidence for the existence of UFOs, which is no longer a taboo subject under the conspiracy realm, can’t deny their existence. Be it radar trackings, high ranking whistle-blower testimony, released pictures and videos and admittance from high ranking government officials and documents that these craft have been “retrieved” for study, there is a plethora of evidence that exists making the reality of UFOs quite clear.

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For years, Rogan, in some ways, ridiculed the subject while un-acknowledging or simply not knowing about this evidence, yet still had an open mind towards it.

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Even in his interview with Lazar, he ridiculed the idea that some extraterrestrials may be concerned with Earth, and that some people are having contact with extraterrestrials. Obviously, if you believe ET’s have been visiting, and are visiting, like Rogan now does, then how far off the line is it to believe that they are making contact with humans? This is not discussed in the podcast, again, it was only ridiculed. This is another case of Rogan not doing his research. Take Dr. David Jacobs, a retired university professor, and Young-Hae Chi, from the University of Oxford, both of them have hypnotically regressed people who claim to have had ET abduction experiences. After thousands of people, they all share the same story. That’s just one example, what about the case of more than 60 school children in Zimbabwe who witnessed a craft and extraterrestrial beings who supposedly had a telepathic effect on them, waring them we are destroying our planet.  Many of them had disturbing visions, and are still speaking about the encounter today, which was made public by Harvard psychiatrist John Mack. You can read more about that story in detail, here.

What about weird declassified documents contemplating where they come from and how their crafts work? What about, again, the testimony from hundreds of high ranking people around the world?

We have, indeed, been contacted — perhaps even visited — by extraterrestrial beings, and the US government, in collusion with the other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public. – Victor Marchetti, former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (Second Look, Volume 1, No 7, Washington, DC, May, 1979)

What about the founder of Bigelow aerospace who said that that “they” are already here?

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What about military personnel like Lord Admiral Hill Norton, former Chief of Defence Staff, 5 Star Admiral of the Royal Navy, Chairman of the NATO Military Committee, who said that that there is a very real possibility that we are being visited by people from outer space

What about the story of tall black extraterrestrial humanoids from the legendary aeronautical NASA engineer Norman Bergrun.

These are a few of countless stories that are not to be ridiculed…If you’re going to listen to someone like Bob Lazar with an open mind, you would think that stories like this would be examined with an opened mind by the likes of Rogan as well, instead of ridiculed.

Lazar talks and has talked about supposed “Gray’s” that are from different star systems. Rogan brings up the idea that “they have no sex organs.” This is placing all eggs in one basket. The research shows that we could be and have been visited by a number of different species which also include human looking beings as well. To say “this is what they look like” is not responsible and negates that the research shows, again, that we are and have been visited by multiple races over a long period of time.

To be honest, there are probably trillions of races that span across multiple universes that are doing star travel, and that doesn’t even include multi dimensional beings.

Sure there might be some “crazies” out there, but that’s a stereotype. It’s quite clear we are being visited, possibly by both malevolent and benevolent beings, who knows, and that there are some very credible sources for these claims, more so than Lazar.

I also find Rogan usually takes a ‘fear’ or ‘freaked out’ type of perspective.

This is why it caught my attention when he decided to have Bob Lazar on his podcast. Bob Lazar is man who, decades ago, claimed to have worked for the government at top secret facilities on UFO technology. I found this interesting because Bob Lazar, who is considered credible by most in the field, but not all, is just someone sharing a supposed story. I find it interesting that this is what pushed Rogan “over the edge” (as he tweeted) when again, there are mountains of very credible pieces of evidence, be it hundreds of high ranking testimonies (astronauts, academicians, military personnel, astronauts etc), or documents detailing various UFO encounters that have been had with the military. These certainly hold a lot more weight than a man who’s identity cannot really be verified.

I just wanted to reiterate that.

There is also a lot of credible information out there regarding the supposed extraterrestrials that man some of these craft. So, again, why did someone who is simply sharing a story, push him over the edge when there was and is so much more out there?

This does not mean that I doubt the story of Bob Lazar, I’m simply making a point. For example, early on in the episode he speaks on how he worked on the reverse engineering of UFO technology. I’ve written numerous articles on reverse engineered UFO technology that provides a lot more detail than simple witness testimony from someone who has a background that cannot be verified, although I do believe Lazar may be who he says he is.

Below are links to two of my most recent articles that provide a lot of detail and examples of that, so I won’t go into it here. If interested, you can refer to the articles below, they are quite recent.

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With all of this being said, the fact that Joe Rogan was blown away by Bob Lazar is a positive thing for the UFO community. For years this subject was ridiculed, evidence was buried and people were “hushed” up. As I’ve said many times before, an “official campaign of ridicule and secrecy” (Ex-CIA Director Roscoe Hillenkoetter) of the phenomenon.

Today, it’s a different story, and although the mainstream media and the global elite who own them may be putting UFO disclosure out there in the open for the purposes of using it for their own interests, many people are waking up to the fact that something is going on here.

Sure, there is a lot of deception in the field, and a lot of misinformation, but buried within this ruble are multiple truths. These truths are what threatened the global elite and their agenda in several different ways for so long, and still do. One example would be propulsion systems and ‘free’ energy, for example. The list goes on and on. That’s a much deeper discussion.

I always found a clip of Edward Teller, known as the “father of the hydrogen” bomb refusing to answer a question about Bob Lazar quite interesting, you can view that here.

To listen to Lazar’s full discussion with Rogan, below.

The Takeaway

This is a topic that leaves no aspect of humanity untouched. It has huge implications, and we must always question why mainstream media is beaming this out rapidly. Is there an agenda? Will lies and manipulation be involved. There is enough information about this subject that mainstream media does not cover nor acknowledge that is truly mind-altering. The fact that they don’t acknowledge it means the minds of the masses, whose perception they control, remain completely unaware of it. Something to think about…

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US Air Force is Building Telemetry Stations Along The East Coast To Track UAP Activity

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  • The Facts:

    Several telemetry stations are set to be built along the US east coast to begin tracking UAP activity.

  • Reflect On:

    Are these truly signs that the US military is now taking this subject seriously? Or has it done so behind the scenes for quite some time?

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The United States Air Force will construct a new telemetry station in Florida that will use cutting-edge tracking equipment to record data mainly from UFOs. This development is most likely connected to Aviator Ryan Graves’ assertion that there were sensitive air space intrusions practically daily on Florida’s East Coast for two years. For decades, the United States Department of Defense has reserved the specific air space in question for national security concerns. It is clearly a no-fly zone.

I had contacted the Plans Examiner Supervisor for Pasco County’s Building Department at the time of this writing. For the past seven years, Jeff Robert Blask has had the distinction of being a part of substantial progress. He has assessed construction designs for buildings ranging from new residences to new hospitals to guarantee compliance with the Florida Building Code.

A Project Engineer contacted Pasco County in April 2021 to obtain a permit for the facility’s construction. Mr. Blask understood from his expertise that the Federal Government does not require licenses to develop on state or municipal territory, therefore he was perplexed as to why permission was being asked for what was clearly a military complex. When Jeff inquired, the Project Engineer stated that the property was leased rather than owned by the federal government. As a result, the exemption is inapplicable.

The location is made up of multiple structures, including a 100-foot tall tower with a radar dome, two 50-foot collapsible auxiliary towers, and an elevated monitoring facility with an observation deck.

Approved plans (Public Record)

Approved plans (Public Record)

Approved plans (Public Record)

Approved plans (Public Record)

Jeff Blask wrote in his publication —

“Normally, I wouldn’t look at this particular project with too much zeal especially since MacDill Air Force Base is about 45 miles south at the southern tip of Tampa Bay. MacDill is Central Command for Middle Eastern operations. However, being that I am a life-long UFO enthusiast and given everything occurring recently, my radar went off, no pun intended.”

Mr. Blask said to the Project Engineer “Wow! That’s some hefty equipment. This is obviously for tracking possible UAP activity that we’ve had around our coasts in recent years.”

“You got it! And as a matter of fact, if you are interested in that subject it may also interest you to know that this facility is not being manned and monitored by MacDill Air Force Base… it’s being monitored in its entirety by Eglin.” responded the Project Engineer.

“The assets themselves are not classified, however, the data that will be collected is. Therefore, this facility will be under heavily armed guards and only people with Top Secret clearance will be allowed in.” Added the Engineer that Mr. Flask was speaking with.

Jeff Flask has written in his own story posted to thejolt.net that he has learned that the private contractor has been asked to construct several similar facilities along with the coastal areas.

“Needless to say, I was somewhat speechless. First and foremost, he so nonchalantly confirmed what this site was to be used for and secondly, this site is being monitored by Eglin Air Force Base, a large 640 square mile base that’s about 60 miles east of Pensacola; not MacDill our local base here in the greater Tampa Bay Area.” stated Jeff Blask.

This demonstrated to him, at his own grassroots level, that the military is now taking the UAP issue seriously.

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The Six Layers of The UFO Phenomenon

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  • The Facts:

    Dr. Eric Davis is a consultant with numerous government research studies (AATIP, AWSAP, NIDS etc). Vallee & Davis were scientists for NIDS, a research organization privately funded by Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace, a US government contractor

  • Reflect On:

    Can we expect that the government's version of UFO/UAP disclosure is going to be forthcoming and honest?

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The US government has something vital to say to us, but it is having difficulty finding the perfect words. The UAP Task Force report to Congress will almost certainly contain evidence that will make scientific doubters extremely uncomfortable. However, those hoping for specific wording from officials labeling the Phenomenon as “alien” or “extraterrestrial” in order to make a decision will be disappointed.

Scientists that have examined the phenomenon, including those with security clearances and contracts with the United States Department of Defense, as well as those from academic institutions, are having difficulty determining if UFOs are physical, psychological, extra-terrestrial, or inter-dimensional. However, they all agree that something of high-strangeness is occurring.

It may be argued that the spirit of the UAPTF report to Congress is to get this information out there without generating widespread fear.

What I feel is going on here is that the few people in the US administration who are aware of the problem feel it has a psychological component to it and is unsure how to deal with it.

As earth-shattering as the topic of non-human intelligence is, it would be much easier to explain that UFOs were a group of young stalwarts in an advanced civilization on Planet X of the star Sirius or otherwise, getting liquored up on a weekend, and hopping into the old space jalopy, motoring over to Planet Earth, and jollying the natives.

Dr. Jacques Vallée has long been considered as the most renowned scientific investigator of unexplained aerial occurrences. In Steven Spielberg’s Close Encounters of the Third Kind, he inspired the character of the French UFO researcher. Vallée studied mathematics at the Sorbonne and astrophysics at Lille University. He co-created NASA’s first computer-based comprehensive map of Mars. He worked for the U.S. Air Force’s senior scientific consultant on UFOs under Project Blue Book. He is now working on a project to investigate UFO materials in a Silicon Valley lab. After a long life of trying to understand this phenomenon, Dr. Vallée confesses that:

“Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role of a bizarre game of deception.”

Dr. Eric Davis is yet another researcher on the cutting edge of the UAP field. For decades, he has advised the United States government, most notably on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), the Advanced Weapons Special Application Program (AWSAP), and others. According to Dr. Davis,

“…there is a lot of evidence that the government has known, but the problem is, it’s so outside the realm of human comprehension that they can’t deal with it on a legislative basis, they can’t deal with it on a military, operational basis, they can’t deal with it on the basis of presidential policy.”

So what informs the researchers’ fear?

A recently discovered study titled Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness: A 6-Layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena, co-written by both Dr. Vallée and Dr. Davis, sheds some light on some data points and intelligence commissioned by the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS). The very organization that gave rise to AWSAP and research at Skin Walker Ranch.

In the paper, the researchers provide a novel methodology for UAP analysis that also incorporates SETI findings. In every scientific question, we must be able to determine the amount to which a hypothesis, when verified and confirmed to be accurate, “explains” the observed facts. However, in the case of UAP, like in physics generally, a hypothesis may be “confirmed true” while an apparently conflicting theory is also proven correct. We must be prepared for the day when we will be able to construct scientific hypotheses for UAP, and we may be faced with a similar predicament.

Dr. Vallée and Dr. Davis’ approach is built on an apparent contradiction since they believe that UAP may be viewed as both physical and “psychological.” They think it will be exciting as a cohesive approach to a perplexing event that exhibits both undeniable physical effects like a technological gadget or craft and mental effects reminiscent of poltergeist and psychokinetic phenomena literature. They use the term “psychic” to refer to the relationship between physical reality and human awareness.

As just one example, the occurrences at Fatima included light phenomena, atmospheric and temperature effects, and accounts of an apparently metallic disc in the sky, while many of the 70,000 witnesses also experienced spiritual and psychological impacts. The primary witnesses experienced mental states favorable to extrasensory connection with a non-human entity presumed to be the Virgin Mary.

The sense of absurdity and contradiction in these two aspects is comparable to scientific perplexity during the particle/wave or, more recently, quantum entanglement and multi-dimensional transport debates. The paradox stems from our language’s inability to comprehend a phenomenon that defies definition.

Physical Aspect

The researchers find six major “layers” in terms of human perceptions of these traits when analyzing the characteristics of sightings that cannot be explained by basic natural explanations. The first one is the “physical layer,” which is seen in most witness reports describing an object. This layer contains all of the data that we can perceive using our senses and equipment. For instance, how an item occupies a location in space in accordance with geometry, or how it leaves material residue in accordance with Earth’s chemistry. Thus, in a fundamental physical sense, UAP is consistent with a technology based on a craft that looks to use a revolutionary propulsion mechanism. Because of the existence of this layer, conventional ufologists have claimed that UFOs and similar occurrences were caused by extraterrestrial technologies.

Anti-Physical Aspect

For lack of a better phrase, the researchers refer to this second layer as “anti-physical.” The variables are the same as those in the physical category, but they generate patterns that contradict what mainstream physics predicts: Objects are defined as physical matter, yet they may also be described as “sinking into the earth” or “shrinking in size, getting larger, or changing shape on the spot.” Another typical complaint with this layer is that the craft becomes blurry or translucent on the spot.

Other anti-physical observations have been documented, including –

  • Dividing into two or more things, many of which merge into one object at a slow speed
  • Disappearing at one spot and reappearing somewhere else instantly
  • Remaining clearly visible while not being detected by radar
  • Creating time dilation or missing time
  • Causing topological inversion or space dilatation (the item was judged to have a tiny exterior size/volume, but witnesses saw a massive interior many times the outside size)
  • Appearing as colorful, incredibly brilliant light balls under intelligence control

Psychological Aspect

The third layer is concerned with the psychology of the witnesses as well as the social circumstances that surround them. Human observers are more likely to notice UAP when they are in their typical habitat and social groups. They notice the things are unusual, but they try to explain them away as ordinary occurrences until they are forced to admit that the thing was actually unknown.

Physiological Reactions

Physiological reactions are another significant level of information. The phenomenon is reported to cause effects perceived by humans sound (beeping, buzzing, humming, whistling, roaring, etc), vibrations, burns, partial paralysis (inability to move muscles), extreme heat or cold sensation, odors (powerful, sweet, or strange fragrance, rotten eggs, sulfurous, pungent, musky, etc), metallic taste, pricklings, temporary blindness when directly exposed to objects light, nausea, bloody nose and/or ears; severe headache, difficulty breathing, loss of volition, severe drowsiness in the days following.

Psychic Aspect

The fifth effect category can only be labeled psychic because it involved a class of phenomena commonly found in parapsychology literature, such as impressions of communication without a direct sensory channel, motions and sounds without a specific cause, and motions and sounds outside the observed presence of a UAP. Levitation of the witness or of nearby objects and animals. A UAP’s maneuvers seemed to anticipate the witness’ thoughts. Personality changes promoting unusual abilities in the witness, such as healing others.

Cultural Aspect

The sixth and last category could be referred to as cultural. It is concerned with how society reacts to the reports, how secondary effects (hoaxes, fiction, and science-fiction imagery, scientific theories, cover-up or exposure, media censorship or publicity, sensationalism, etc.) emerge, and how members of a given culture perceive the concepts that UAP observations appear to challenge. The phenomenon’s largest influence in the United States must be on broad acceptance of the concept of life in space, as well as a more restricted, but possibly very substantial, alteration in the common perception of non-human intellect. The cultural backdrop of anomalous findings was heavily influenced by religious beliefs in prior societies such as medieval Europe or Portugal in the early years of the twentieth century.

What Are We Dealing With?

A framework for scientific hypothesis on the UAP observations can be built on the identification of the six major layers of UAP effects. If we formulate a view of the problem in a single statement at this point, that statement will be:

Everything works as if UAPs were products of a technology that integrates physical and psychic phenomena and primarily affects cultural variables in our society through the manipulation of physiological and psychological parameters in the witnesses.

The purpose of the technology may be cultural manipulation- possibly but not necessarily under the control of a form of non-human intelligence — in which case the physiological and psychological effects are meant to that end. But the parapsychologist with a Jungian framework may argue that the human collective unconscious is also a potential source of such effects — without the need to invoke alien intervention.

A Covert Request for Help

In a recent podcast, Sam Harris said that the highest echelons of the US government had reached out to him and other members of his network to ask for their assistance in disseminating UAP knowledge to the public. Sam Harris is an American author, philosopher, neuroscientist, and podcast host. His work spans logic, religion, ethics, free will, neuroscience, meditation, psychedelics, philosophy of mind, politics, terrorism, and artificial intelligence. Reaching out to thought leaders like Sam Harris is a significant step forward for the US intelligence community. On June 5th, Hal Puthoff, another scientist with the highest levels of security clearance, presented to the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, and the essence of his message was that it was time for the intelligence community to hand over the data they had gathered to the scientific establishment.

Perhaps the UAP Taskforce Report to Congress is a covert request for assistance from a government out of alternatives and ideas.

But first, they must overcome the stigma that they have established. And the plans are in motion.

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Pentagon Spokesperson Questioned On DoD Having Possession Of Alien Bodies & Crafts

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  • The Facts:

    Journalist Jeff Schogol asked the DoD's primary spokesperson John F. Kirby a very direct question about whether the Pentagon secretly holds alien bodies and spacecraft.

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    Can we expect an honest and complete revelation from the UAP report compiled by the US Intelligence community that's expected later this month?

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UFOs have gone from zero to hero in what seems like a week. A topic once ridiculed by mainstream culture now fronts some of the most credible and widely read newspapers in the world. Currently, many are eagerly waiting for what they believe will be an honest and revealing report from the US intelligence community on their knowledge of UFOs/UAPs. It’s expected to be out later this month.

Just come right out and say it! That was the approach taken by Task & Purpose’s Jeff Schogol, a journalist who asked John F. Kirby, the DoD’s primary spokesperson, a very direct question about what the Pentagon holds in terms of alien bodies and spacecraft. His question was delivered during a press conference last week.

“There’s no way that I can sugar coat this. I was talking to a gentleman about the UAP report. He contends the Pentagon has alien bodies and crafts. So I wanted to run this past you, does the DoD have these things and if so, where?”

It really doesn’t get more direct than this, and the response returned by Kirby seemed taken aback by such a direct question,

“The UAP Task Force is really designed to take a look at these unexplained aerial phenomena and try to help us get a better understanding of them. Again, I’m not going to get ahead of the report that the DNI will submit that we are helping, obviously, and providing input to and I’ll just leave it at that, Jeff.”

Perhaps the upcoming report will answer questions like this, but given the longstanding secrecy US intelligence communities have applied to this subject, it’s unlikely.

If you’re a bit more fresh into the UFO discussion, the answer from Kirby may seem normal. The spokesperson would rather heed to the upcoming report and allow it to do the talking. But if you’ve been at this a while, this answer is classic to most questions like this over the last 70 years – vague, lacking clarity, and an awkwardness suggesting those in charge know a lot more than they are letting on.

One key takeaway here might be that journalists who have access to such press conferences might assist the public by asking such direct questions more often. As journalists educate themselves on the depth of what is already known about the ET and UFO phenomenon, perhaps questions can become deeper and perhaps derive more revealing information from government officials over time. Soft ball questions like we commonly see will only allow these subjects to remain in secrecy like they have for the last 70+ years.

For what it’s worth, in my educated opinion having researched this subject for 12 years and having worked alongside fellow journalists in our outfit who have as well, I’d bet a great deal on the fact that the US government is in possession of ET bodies and ET craft.

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